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Old 04-25-2005, 10:35 AM   #1
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Well, after searching the forums about how to install a rear sway bar and getting mixed answers, here I come to the experts to get advice.

I am getting an used 20mm OEM bar with bushings.

1 - What kind of grease should I use? Where should I buy it?
2 - Should I jack up the car or keep the suspension loaded (ramps)?
3 - Any specific tools I should have handy *before* start installing the bar?
4 - Can I do it by myself or help is advised?

Your help and advice is appreciated.

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Old 04-25-2005, 11:39 AM   #2
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Opinions vary on the grease; I use a dab of marine grease - Canadian Tire

Ramps would be my choice for installation so you know if you have a preload problem. The bar should go in without having to force it up or down when the second side is bolted. If you have to use more than mild hand pressure, you've got a problem.

No special tools required but make sure the bolts are all in good shape. If not, now would be a good time to get new ones. I had a clunking sound caused by an old bolt that "felt" tight, but didn't actually clamp the endlink to the bar. Re-doing work sucks.

DIY unless you have trouble with changing a flat tire
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Old 04-25-2005, 12:21 PM   #3
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Hi Fragment,

Thanks for the advice on grease and using the ramps. Regarding the tools and DIY, I know you are a well versed man on doing things on your own, so I will take your advice with a pinch of salt...

What I realy meant on my question about doing it myself was if it was possible to do it alone (no one helping). I am mechanically inclined but haven't done much on my Impreza other than changing wheels and filters.

Regarding tools, what might seem "basic tools" for you would be a very "advanced" tool for my toolbox. Is a ratchet socket a "basic" or "advanced" tool in your opinion?

Thanks,
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Opinions vary on the grease; I use a dab of marine grease - Canadian Tire

Ramps would be my choice for installation so you know if you have a preload problem. The bar should go in without having to force it up or down when the second side is bolted. If you have to use more than mild hand pressure, you've got a problem.

No special tools required but make sure the bolts are all in good shape. If not, now would be a good time to get new ones. I had a clunking sound caused by an old bolt that "felt" tight, but didn't actually clamp the endlink to the bar. Re-doing work sucks.

DIY unless you have trouble with changing a flat tire
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Old 04-25-2005, 12:26 PM   #4
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I think the hardest thing about changing the RSB is getting at the passenger side bolts for the swaybar bracket. Those bolts are tighly against the fuel filler pipe. If you are keeping the stock bracket then the job is very easy since all the bolts you need to get at are reddly visable.

Oh, used lithium grease since that was recommended by Perrin.
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Old 04-25-2005, 01:07 PM   #5
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Yah, the RSB is pretty easy if you're staying with the stock mounts and just upgrading the bar. A "basic" toolset would be a metric socket set and a metric wrench set from Crappy Tire or Sears. Get them on sale and you'll spend less than $40. Or borrow the tools, which might cost you a 6-pack. I strongly recommend the ramps for this mod. Having the suspension loaded will make it a lot easier. IMHO
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Old 04-25-2005, 01:18 PM   #6
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RSB without changing brackets is about a 15 minute job first time. White Lithium grease is what I would recommend, and clean the bar really good before you install it. A little dirt mixed with grease will chew out the bushings in a hurry. If I recall, it was a 12mm and 14 mm flat wrench and a ratchet with matching sockets that is all you need.

I jacked mine up when I did it and popped off the tires since I didn't feel like working under the car that much. Easy access to the endlinks and brackets. Of course I had an impact to spin the tires off so it was much quicker than by hand. If you do the bar jacked up, do the final tightening on the ground as to remove any stress on the bar at neutral position.

Either way, RSB is easy and you'll have no problems. The FSB is a bit more of a pain as getting the brackets open is tricky and the bar doesn't come out as easy.
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Old 04-25-2005, 01:48 PM   #7
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If you don't have ramps, jack up the car and stack two 2x4 wood blocks (basically a 4x4 )under the rear tires. That provided more than enough room for me to do it.
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Old 04-26-2005, 12:36 AM   #8
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It's easy, I have a garage & tools & grease if you want a hand.
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Old 04-26-2005, 12:39 AM   #9
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wheelhop
It's easy, I have a garage & tools & grease if you want a hand.
Hey Dennis,

I just got the bar, and I will give it a try tomorrow night. If I can't put it together I will cry for help. Thanks for the offer.

Thanks to everybody that gave some input/advice on this matter. Tomorrow I will tell how easy or difficult it really is!

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Old 04-26-2005, 11:19 PM   #10
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Well folks!

It is installed, and it was easy!!! It took me one hour including assembling the ramps, talking with the neighbour about sway bars and him talking about his race car (dirt track oval) with urethane bushings, yadda yadda yadda.


The "lean" and the "mean"


Installed, ready for a "spin"

After a little spirited driving on back roads (everything within speed limit, of course), the car definitely feels more stable, rolls less and it has a more neutral response, although the undesteer is still there.

Let's wait for the cones to have a better idea about the real improvement. In the meantime it feels good to have done my first mod BY MYSELF!!!!

Thanks for all help I got, for sure I will be abusing you guys more often...

Thanks
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Old 04-27-2005, 01:03 AM   #11
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sweet man. i am waiting on a 17mm i fanyone has one (hint hint)
then my old wagon will be one step closer to performing half ass good.
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Old 04-27-2005, 01:55 AM   #12
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sweet man. i am waiting on a 17mm i fanyone has one (hint hint)
then my old wagon will be one step closer to performing half ass good.
I've still got mine kicking around... (nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more...)
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Old 04-27-2005, 02:48 AM   #13
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If anyone can make use of a RSB from a STi (19mm I think) I'll cut you a smoking deal.

Need the garage space.
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Old 04-27-2005, 12:45 PM   #14
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Does anyone know what size RSBs were used on the 97 outback sport? And what would be a good upgrade for this model? I potentially have a line on a set of WRX RSB and endlinks, I'm just not sure if it would be an approrriate upgrade for my car.
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Old 04-27-2005, 02:15 PM   #15
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according to subaruparts.com you have the same size bar as my 98 wagon L.
its 13mm. upon researching it seems that any stock non sti, sway bar will fit, but the 17mm seems to be the best for a moderate handling upgrade for our type of Impreza without over doing it.
the WRX wagon sway is 17mm, and the WRX sedan is a 20mm sway.
I am currently waiting to get my hands on a used one, so if i get it anytime soon i will let ya know how it works.
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Old 04-29-2005, 04:08 PM   #16
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Quote:
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(everything within speed limit, of course)
Ya' Right!!!

Congrats on the install. Best upgrade ever for an RS!
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