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Old 04-26-2005, 12:51 AM   #1
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Default '95 WRX engine into 1999 Impreza RS: Possible? Worth it?

So the JDM Forester clip I wanted to buy fell through and they are now offering me a 1994 / 95 WRX front clip (also JDM), but I have been warned that this is not a very straight forward swap into my '99 Impreza 2.5RS. Supposedly the wiring is more difficult. Does anyone know anything about this? Is the clip worth $2000 without a transmission (is the tranny even worth it?)
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Old 04-26-2005, 01:19 AM   #2
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yay bait and switch

its not a clip?? it it was all 100% there it might be worth 2k maybe
prob is that your missing stuff that you can't get from the dealer/parts store
technicaly easier less wires
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Old 04-26-2005, 02:13 AM   #3
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Well, its a front clip, so I assume everything is there. I still don't feel good about sticking a 10 year old engine under my hood... But hey, if it works, it beats having a blown engine.
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Old 04-26-2005, 02:42 AM   #4
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Honestly, I would go for a Sti engine instead of a "standard" JDM engine. Anything from at least a V3 and up. The most current/JDM V8 would the best to get if its in your budget.
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Old 04-26-2005, 12:58 PM   #5
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Honestly, I'd go for a Ferrari, but unfortunately all I could afford was a Subaru
Similarly, being in debt and trying to pay tuition bills, I didn't even want to do an engine swap in the first place; the only reason I am replacing my engine is because the stock one blew up and a replacement EJ25 would cost nearly the same as this kind of swap.
And I couldn't find any STI engine that didn't cost at least $4000.
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Old 04-26-2005, 01:04 PM   #6
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For that price a US WRX swap would be the easiest bet.

US EJ205's are plentiful, easy to pass emissions with (you'd be taking a step back putting a OBD I motor in a OBD II car) easy to get parts for, newer, and best of all, the process of swapping them is well documented.

But, I still don't understand where you get the idae that a replacement EJ251 is going to be as expensive. I think you really just want a swap.... all you really need is a $300 EJ251 shortblock.
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Old 04-26-2005, 01:51 PM   #7
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I thought it was illegal to do an older motor in a newer car (street use).
Am I wrong?
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Old 04-26-2005, 02:00 PM   #8
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For that price a US WRX swap would be the easiest bet.

US EJ205's are plentiful, easy to pass emissions with (you'd be taking a step back putting a OBD I motor in a OBD II car) easy to get parts for, newer, and best of all, the process of swapping them is well documented.

But, I still don't understand where you get the idae that a replacement EJ251 is going to be as expensive. I think you really just want a swap.... all you really need is a $300 EJ251 shortblock.
Show me one. A new EJ 251 costs $4550 from subaruparts.com, $2000 for just the remanufactured shortblock from the dealership and used motors are going on ebay for $1600. Perhaps someone, some day, sold their shortblock for $300, but I've been looking at all the options for the past month and $1600 was the cheapest I found. Someone on this forum had one for a grand, but that sold already.
Emissions: I live in Michigan; no emissions testing here. But yeah, I think it is illegal to have an older motor in a new car.
USDM WRX engines cost a lot more, are a lot harder to swap wiring wise, and make less power. The cheaper USDM WRX engine I found with a complete wiring harness and ECU was $3000 and I would have to add the fuel pump, fuel pump controller, power steering lines and front crossmember to that in order to have myself a swap. All in all it would probably end up being $4000 - $5000 and that is more than I can afford right now.
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I just sold my complete EJ251 for $500. That was the longblock and some accessories. I gave you some people to PM in your old thread who I know have these motors and would probably sell them cheap. Look around, I promise you they're not expensive.

I also just bought a EJ205 (Longblock, both manifolds, UP/DP, turbo, IC, missing a few harness pieces) for $650. Look around. Search, search search. If you think those are the only motors for sale, you're crazy.
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Dude, seriously, all I've done lately is search. I'm on my computer EVERY DAY searching NASIOC, E-Bay, Google... I've e-mailed a bunch of people (including everyone you suggested), e-mailed a bunch of companies, and all I've gotten back is:
1- Overpriced stuff,
2- "We don't have anything at the moment",
3- Incomplete engines (No ECU and/or no wiring harness),
4- The ones I mentioned.

E-bay has a bunch of engines. All the USDM WRX ones are $3000, the JDM ones cost dirt cheap but have no harness or ECU. The companies I e-mailed mostly deal with obscenely expensive STI engines, except for one which mails their engines from Malasia and takes 60 days to deliver. A bunch of other people or companies are simply out of stock. No one seems to work with the EJ25 (can't blame them; stupid POS on my car had nothing but mobil 1 full synthetic at regular 3500 mile intervals and spun a rod bearing with less than 80000 miles), and the few used ones for sale on this forum got sold. No EJ25s on ebay except for DOHC ones and those go for $1600.
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a local guy to me is selling his EJ255 from his 01 RS...he was asking a few hundred...he just did a WRX swap that I gave him some pointers on.
his screenname is agterlik
I got my 02 WRX engine with all the wiring harnesses, ECU, clutch and flywheel on ebay for $2k even...still had to by a clutch that would work and some sensors...but all in all well worth it...
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Old 04-26-2005, 05:48 PM   #12
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These guys are right. EJ25 shortblocks are not too hard to find. I have acquired 3 of them in the last 60 days. I can get you one for $500...
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