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Old 04-27-2005, 02:10 AM   #1
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Default axis short block or Crawford performance block

Does anyone have an opinion or can anyone tell me who is more reperable. I want 500 reliably strong whp. By the way i have a 4eat
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Old 04-27-2005, 07:27 AM   #2
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Either way its a lot of money. I would say call or eamil both. Tell them you buget and what you are looking for.
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Old 04-27-2005, 03:13 PM   #3
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if i spend about 4k, anyone tell me who the more reprable builder is
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Old 04-27-2005, 06:05 PM   #4
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if i spend about 4k, anyone tell me who the more reprable builder is
Both have a good name and are well known. I would say crawford as he designs the pistons he uses. $4k is the price of the short block your looking at around $9k to get then short block, drop it in the car and have it running.
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Old 04-27-2005, 09:11 PM   #5
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why is that if an install is about 1200-1500?
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Old 04-27-2005, 10:14 PM   #6
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Shipping, tuning, install parts: (belts, gaskets, hoses, oil pump is a good idea too), having the heads checked. Little parts that will pop up along the way. Always add at least $1500 for extra little things you either forgot or will break along the way on top of the items you budgeted for. Do you have the turbo for this bigger higher reving block?

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Old 04-28-2005, 02:45 AM   #7
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I have a vishnu stage 2 right now, also its an auto (4eat) vf34! 650 injectors, turbo back no cats, fuel pump, uppipe, i think thats about it.
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Old 04-28-2005, 06:15 PM   #8
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Expect to spend $1500-2000 for a custom Garrett turbo to put down those kind of numbers. Oh, and then another $1500 for the piping to make a divorced wategate turbo like that work. For reference VF-34 will max around 325-350CHP. 500whp is not for the weak of wallet, nor is it terribly reliable. Drive axles and diffs and things start to fail at those power levels...

As for the question on the table, I would get my block from Quirt...
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Old 04-28-2005, 10:48 PM   #9
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quirt? quirt.com? would 10k do it.
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Old 04-29-2005, 10:17 AM   #10
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Quirt as in Quirt Crawford.
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$10k would probably do it. But personally, instead of spending 4K on the bottom end, I would get an Ej257 shortblock for half of that. It can support the power you are looking for. You just have to be immaculate about your tuning. Those high silicone cast pistons do not like detonation one little bit...
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ya, and w/ an auto detonation is probally more likely. I want to not have to start over or have any regrets. I want to make shure no factory car can keep up w/ me.
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Old 04-30-2005, 04:24 AM   #13
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can anyone tell me anything about crawfords r4 block, 8000 holy shnikees!
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Old 04-30-2005, 02:28 PM   #14
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R4 has thin cylinder walls..106mm i think.. bored to the limit.... I would suggest using crawfords S4 engine. And compare pricing and timeline with Axis.
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R4 has thin cylinder walls..106mm i think.. bored to the limit.... I would suggest using crawfords S4 engine. And compare pricing and timeline with Axis.
Reall? Where did you hear that?

This guys running 500+ on his 2.8
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=756457

IMO the s4 isnt compairable to the r4. The R4 has replaceable Wet Sleeves, squirters and is going to need more air flow from the heads.
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R4 has thin cylinder walls..106mm i think.. bored to the limit.... I would suggest using crawfords S4 engine. And compare pricing and timeline with Axis.
Thanks for the help, but........ With a 106mm piston, the rings on the two pistons would be touching each other

The bore size on the R3 and R4 can be any size you like, with a max of 103mm.

The S3L would be my recommendation for your project, but the S2 or S3 would do the job as long as the tune is proper.

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pm you crawford
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Old 05-20-2005, 06:47 AM   #18
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R4 has thin cylinder walls..106mm i think.. bored to the limit.... I would suggest using crawfords S4 engine. And compare pricing and timeline with Axis.
The wall thickness shouldnt matter as it runs sleeves..
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