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Old 04-29-2005, 05:35 AM   #26
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Old 04-29-2005, 06:47 AM   #27
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that is awesome, could we get a group buy going? or maybe we can custom make a kit............
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Old 04-29-2005, 07:09 AM   #28
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can any1 say "that thing would decimate all" (F&F) LoL
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Old 04-29-2005, 08:22 AM   #29
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interesting...
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Old 04-29-2005, 08:59 AM   #30
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bad assumption, ive allready talked to them about it, and its nowhere near that. plus, nessesary? ive driven laggy cars, (my own) and its not fun!
Then enlighten us on the price.

I've owned plenty of laggy cars, and I got over the lag as soon as the T60 or T66 shot me ahead 1 second later.
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Old 04-29-2005, 09:05 AM   #31
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This car has been around for a loooooooong time now. I've never seen a dyno plot or a timeslip from it.
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Old 04-29-2005, 09:18 AM   #32
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I don't think everyone here understands the point of twin charging, the power you see at 1900rpm will continue all the way through the rev range. Compared to a single charged 500hp car, this one will still have the same amazing top end, just much more area under the graph downlow.
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Old 04-29-2005, 10:13 AM   #33
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I have never seen a dyno plot from this car either. And from looking at the photos I can already pick out several things wrong. The main being that with the three mounting brackets they are using on the supercharger, there is no way that they will be able to keep it properly positioned. The second is that with such a long length of belt making such a tight bend around the supercharger pulley, you are going to have some issues with belt stretching and slippage due to the fact that it is still a 5 groove belt versus a wider, stronger belt.
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Old 04-29-2005, 11:10 AM   #34
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I don't like that coolant pipe bend, it appears to be right angled. But I am not knocking the setup, very sweet.
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Old 04-29-2005, 11:16 AM   #35
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This car has been around for about a year, i remember talking with robert about it last summer. I also heard initial dyno numbers were subpar, like 310-330whp or something like that. Then something was changed and i guess he was able to gain 200+whp

it's all possible i just wish we could get a plot plus a time slip.

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Old 04-29-2005, 11:17 AM   #36
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I also heard initial dyno numbers were subpar, like 310-330whp or something like that. Then something was changed and i guess he was able to gain 200+whp
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Old 04-29-2005, 11:24 AM   #37
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that is what i initially heard through the grapevine, who knows if it is correct and what has changed since then. once we get some dyno graphs up here and a time slip we can lay it all to rest

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Old 04-29-2005, 11:29 AM   #38
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I'm impressed that he managed to fit it all under the hood as cleanly as he did, actually. I wonder if it knocks the brake lines coming out of the ABS controller when the engine torques hard?
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Old 04-29-2005, 11:36 AM   #39
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maybe he was tunning low boost, like 15-16 psi and now he has it turned up to 30? thats one reason thatthe power would be lower. One thing i heard through the grapevine is that he was on stock injectors, and stock ECU (no EM). that would really restrict power. im assuming now, that they are not on the stock engine management anymore, and they have upgraded or modded their injectors.

and about the thoughts of the lag being something that you liked, or were ok with, well, i was also ok with my t62-1 that would slam me hard at about 5500-6k, but then when im rolling around town, its so much harder to maneuver. the lag, is something that makes your car a conditionally fast car. only when the conditions are right. this way, these guys are (if this is actually working the way it should) infact making a better power band than just about ANY car out there. power delivery is everything! big v8s make peak power at like 2 thousand, (tqe) and then taper off. imagine a car that made lots of power at 2500 RPMS or even 2000, and then power hit again at 4-5k, and lasted till redline. its a nobrainer, and if the kit is affordable, then that makes it ALL the more worth it. plus power delivery is smooth, and not harsh, you dont have to sliip and drop your clutch, everything works the way that it would in an ideal world. i think people are just hating, because this concept is way off the main stream. well so was being black 50 years ago, and jewish before that. now, its a common fact that basketball is only for black people and those few white people that have exceptional skills. and jewish people are the only people out there that are good for... ... ... well, you get the point, its just not mainstream. accept it, thats what drives our community to positive change and evolution.
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Old 04-29-2005, 12:18 PM   #40
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Rob of FAT has been working and driving this car for almost a year.

I believe the kit is preparing for production - he recently got a mag cover shot, once it hits the presses I believe pricing will be available.

The kit and car is simply amazing - kinda fun when in development wasnt a secret or anything, just unimaginable.

BIG Props for Rob and FAT for going outside fo the box!
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Old 04-29-2005, 01:01 PM   #41
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bad assumption, ive allready talked to them about it, and its nowhere near that. plus, nessesary? ive driven laggy cars, (my own) and its not fun!
YA right, sure they will give you a low quote. Jusk look at that setup. Its not hard to figure some prices.

Turbo $1500
Supercharger $1500
Custom FMIC $1500
EM $1000
Injectors $500
Custom exhaust w/watsegate $900
Lots of misc parts ???
Install ??
Money for 2 years of reasearch??

This kit is really gonna smoke those Evo's This is 100% completely useless at the track. If you want a 100% non laggy street car buy a Cobra.
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Old 04-29-2005, 01:04 PM   #42
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The price that I was given in July of 2004 was around $7500.
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Old 04-29-2005, 01:41 PM   #43
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YA right, sure they will give you a low quote. Jusk look at that setup. Its not hard to figure some prices.

Turbo $1500
Supercharger $1500
Custom FMIC $1500
EM $1000
Injectors $500
Custom exhaust w/watsegate $900
Lots of misc parts ???
Install ??
Money for 2 years of reasearch??

This kit is really gonna smoke those Evo's This is 100% completely useless at the track. If you want a 100% non laggy street car buy a Cobra.

why are you adding EM and injectors? why can't those be excluded from the kit???

from someone who drives a laggy auto, i can see jared's perspective. this supercharger would be perfect for an auto. no more lag. it's far from useless, and i might get one as well if they followed up with more details.
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Old 04-29-2005, 02:56 PM   #44
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It's weird to hear people knocking the twin charger theory, I understand if you think this may be a poor example, but twin charging has been used quite successfully. Have you ever heard of group B rally car? Delta had a 1.8 liter engine making in excess of 600hp with virtually no lag. This class was scrapped because the competitors abilities to make powerful engines went well beyond their ability to make chasis that could harness the power. Modern 300hp WRC corner at much higher speeds than the old group b cars and kill less drivers.
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Old 04-29-2005, 03:17 PM   #45
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People knock it because of its complexity and cost, not how it works.
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Old 04-29-2005, 03:24 PM   #46
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If you want a 100% non laggy street car buy a Cobra.


hey why stop there, if you want to really spank some cars with no lag buy a bike, youll save 25k too so you can put 25k into your bike!!!! (sarcasim)
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Old 04-29-2005, 03:49 PM   #47
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i am amazed that folks are bashing something they have NO EXPERIENCE WHATSOEVER with.

oh, actually--this is nabisco. no surprise at all.

me, i'll wait and see.
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bunch of tools speculating about something they know nothing of... how about everyone sit back and wait until some actual numbers are posted. I'm certainly not jumping on the praise bandwagon like a lot of these guys are until there's some proof this thing is all its hyped up to be.

The only number that seemed somewhat believable in this thread so far was the $7500 price of the kit.

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bunch of tools speculating about something they know nothing of... how about everyone sit back and wait until some actual numbers are posted. I'm certainly not jumping on the praise bandwagon like a lot of these guys are until there's some proof this thing is all its hyped up to be.

The only number that seemed somewhat believable in this thread so far was the $7500 price of the kit.

Some of us have been on this board long enough to see the rise and fall of more then one supercharger kit...they all sucked. Now they think they can add a turbo and things will be fine. HA I couldnt care less about numbers. I have no doubt you will see an increase in HP in the 1000-3500 rpm range. I dont need more power there because 99.9% of the time my rpms are not in that lag range. The only reason they would be in that range is pulling out easy in first gear but thats only for less then a second. This setup is just not practical. Is there any reason you should pay $7500 or more for this kit?? Please someone sell this kit to me....I am not sold
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I have no doubt you will see an increase in HP in the 1000-3500 rpm range. I dont need more power there because 99.9% of the time my rpms are not in that lag range. The only reason they would be in that range is pulling out easy in first gear but thats only for less then a second. This setup is just not practical. Is there any reason you should pay $7500 or more for this kit?? Please someone sell this kit to me....I am not sold
well, if you don't see any lag between 1K-3.5K rpms, then you're right. this kit is not for you. but for the rest of us slowpokes, this would be very practical and useful indeed.
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