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Old 04-30-2005, 12:59 AM   #76
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that su[ra TA viedo dont work
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Old 04-30-2005, 02:43 AM   #77
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i think you mean spell and grammar check didnt work.

video worked fine for me.

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Old 04-30-2005, 02:44 AM   #78
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i see scoobie steve's point, i think this setup would be for people that want fun around town and daily driving, since you arent gonna be 4500rpm launching everytime you take off from a light or are driving around town.


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Old 04-30-2005, 03:07 AM   #79
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and everyone in the world gets to antilag, and pop their clutch every time in traffic on the way to work when they want to take off fast from a light.... this is the supidest one sided arguement ever, drag racing is not the only goal of these cars. i dont care how much you want us to see your videos, it doesnt matter.

if you are just drag racing, then this is not the kit for you, if youre SO fast, then youve got it figured out, if not, or if you are not into JUST drag racing when you getto stage, and rev and beat the **** out of your clutch, then i see why this kit would be a better ride than lagmachines that you have to beat to drive.
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Old 04-30-2005, 03:40 AM   #80
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Jared since your reading comprehension seems to be sub par I will repeat what I said in earlier posts, this kit would be good for auto-x and people that putt around town.


I got attacked repeatedly for saying this kit has no benefit on the strip and I think I proved my point. Agreed?
No wonder the evos are still spankin us
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Old 04-30-2005, 04:06 AM   #81
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Well good for them....now tell me what that car runs in the 1/4 including 60' times.
they already said mid 11s. so your reading comprehension sucks worse than jared's.

and didn't you say you could care less about the numbers?? at least get your BS straight.

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So let me see if I have this right. You stage the car, put on the trans break, floor the car...rpms rise to 4000, engine is at 100% load and you dont have full boost... your car sucks or you have monkeys modding it.
like i said, show me an auto wrx that leaves the line at full boost. i have yet to see one. unless you can show me one (without using nitrous), then you can take the backseat.

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Well I hope they shut it off once the turbo is spooled, nothing like killing crank hp by spinning a supercharger when its not needed.
oh, so now you do realize that it helps spool the turbo?? sooo....it helps spool the turbo but doesn't help 60 ft times??? do you even hear yourself talk?

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Old 04-30-2005, 04:22 AM   #82
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Forgive my ignorance since I come from the Supra and boosted IS300 world before this, but what are you doing wrong? Boosted domestics, Supras, and IS300's can leave the line at full boost, why cant you?
you are talking about cars with a higher displacement than a wrx. my fp green doesn't reach full boost until it reaches above 5K rpms with the auto. and brake torquing only gets you up to 4K rpms, 3.5K rpms on average. so you've got a pretty big gap that can be decreased with this kit.

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And I don't know how anyone could say this is beneficial to drag racing...get a decent launch and you're out of the 1k-3500k range that everyone is praising this kit for.
of course that all depends on how big your turbo is. if your setup for drag racing, than practicality would demand that you get a top end turbo. something that won't run out of air in the 1/4 mile. this 1K -3.5K rpms would only hold water if you've got a vf34. but with a true drag setup, this supercharger would help in spooling your turbo and getting better 60fts.
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Old 04-30-2005, 05:12 AM   #83
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i think you mean spell and grammar check didnt work.

video worked fine for me.

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WoW I see your still a F.A.G!!! U think I care for a minute about missing the P in the supra!! **** You dude, And the video doesnt work for me, So stay out of my business.... Ohh and the P is next to the [ key!!! Use your brain
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Old 04-30-2005, 05:25 AM   #84
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And since he has been running this kit (about 1 year) he (to my knowledge) has not ever had to replace or repeditively tighten the system's tension on the belt. It does have a sharp/tight bend... but I don't think that it has more than a timing belt has behind the cover.

Well, that is good to hear about the brackets, and that he hasn't had the belt issues. I would like to point out the problem with your reference of the timing belt though. Look at the width and thickness of a 5 groove v-belt, then look at the width and thickness of a Subaru timing belt. If he had converted the cars pulleys to 6 groove (or better yet, 7) I wouldn't have expressed this concern.

Also, just out of curiousity, and it may have been mentioned somewhere in the thread, but does this kit have a bypass to stop feeding through the blower once the car gets into the turbo range?

I was also wondering (here comes the blasphemy) but wouldn't it have been simpler to just remove the turbo entirely and get a lysholm type twin screw charger? They are more efficient than either a roots type blower or even (gasp) a turbo charger, and they will maintain efficiency way up into the rev range. The system would probably be a good 50 lbs lighter (maybe even more) than a twin-charge settup.

I am certain that at some point we will start hearing the "if superchargers are better then why don't they run them in WRC" argument. Well, superchargers are not better for WRC anymore. They were at one time a big part of it, but as engine management, turbo design and antilag systems improved, they were phased out. You do have to remember that not one of us on this board has a turbo that is anywhere near as advanced as the ones in the WRC cars, nor does anyone that I am aware of replace their turbo every week. For street driving a belt driven supercharger is probably a better system. My WRX was making over 125 more crank horsepower than my RS was with the centrifugal blower on it, and I still don't think it had the unbelievable hit that the RS had, and that was a centrifugal blower which is "more laggy" than a roots or lysholm type unit.

It's late or early, or something and I am rambling, so I will end at this point.
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Old 04-30-2005, 07:46 AM   #85
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i think what folks may be missing is that with the addition of the low-rpm supercharging comes the opportunity to fit an even "bigger than driveable" turbo on the car. the boost threshold of the turbo becomes a non issue, freeing you up to put a truly top end only turbocharger on the car. a >600hp turbocharger is no longer a useless black hole of torque <35mph.

now it becomes obvious how that DOES mean an advantage on a quarter strip, or some other "top end" scenario.
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Old 04-30-2005, 07:54 AM   #86
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I don't know of any high hp DSMs running huge turbos and spooling them with nitrous that are spraying off the line. 60 ft is about traction, not power for all of the high hp cars. All of the DSMs are spinning all 4 without nitrous. Nitrous isn't hit til 2nd, already after 60 ft.

This wouldn't help a 60.

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Old 04-30-2005, 09:47 AM   #87
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i think what folks may be missing is that with the addition of the low-rpm supercharging comes the opportunity to fit an even "bigger than driveable" turbo on the car. the boost threshold of the turbo becomes a non issue, freeing you up to put a truly top end only turbocharger on the car. a >600hp turbocharger is no longer a useless black hole of torque <35mph.

now it becomes obvious how that DOES mean an advantage on a quarter strip, or some other "top end" scenario.
It is either this is a true statment, or someone is using a 4EAT where the gears last longer through the quarter. IMO that is the only two ways it makes good sense in drag racing. Of course it certainly is an interesting thought that you could get a super huge turbo and still wind up with a potentially streetable car!?!

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Old 04-30-2005, 10:07 AM   #88
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Yeah, I agree with Steve, but I still think it is a cool to try if you got the money. Even with an auto it will still be out of the "drag racing" power range.....Maybe this could be used on a huge supra turbo or a big truck turbo on a 2.5..........
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Old 04-30-2005, 10:31 AM   #89
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It would be good for roll racing where you are out of the proper rev range.
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Old 04-30-2005, 10:38 AM   #90
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wow this thread makes my head hurt. heres my dolla twenty five:

great around town... NO benifit for drag OR 60'ft times ***UNLESS*** youre driving an auto wrx, which is lame in the first place. so please, save us the pain of reading your little squabble. its a cool idea, but in the end probably not worth it. if you want power at 1900rpms why not just get a v8?
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Old 04-30-2005, 11:24 AM   #91
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Templar,
Couple things - I know your building a supercharger kit but lets get a few things straight (and yes I do have knowledge of how this is done).

1. Yes there is a bypass it can clearly be seen in the picture.
2. Where could YOU package a linear boosting larger supercharger capable of pusing 25psi at 7000 rpm on a 2.5L without changing the hoods and many other things. Give you a hint. You can't put it where the battery is and you can't put it where the ABS is unless the ABS is removed.
3. Lysolm superchargers are no where close to turbo's in efficiency but are much better than Roots Style. Also a lysolm style is always parasitic when driving around. You can't stop the parasitic loss of a lysolm supercharger by just bypassing it. You need to physicallys stop the lobes from turning - hence the supercharger clutch clearly seen on the nose pulley of the supercharger. Meaning, IT IS a lysolm unit - other wise he would bypass it alone and it would free wheel. Which brings us to number 4->
4. Belt/Pulley wrap. Pulley Wrap is a good thing. The more surface area that a belt had around a pulley allows more more grip and less wear. Therefore the "sharp angle" looks to me to be well engineered as it is clearly closer to the center line of the pulley allowing for more belt wrap. Yes the top may stretch some but that is easily combatted with another idler pulley, however, it doesn't "sound" like he having any issues which suprises me a little but I'm not sceptical as I've done some "extra" thinking. He may not have the supercharger running past 3500rpm. He may just turn it off. Thereby he doesn't need a wider belt because he isn't putting the HP he would need at 7000 rpm through the small 5 rib belt. So he goes wild on the supercharger and maybe even brings it up to full capacity at 3500 engine rpm and then just bypasses it when the boost kicks in from the turbocharger. Thereby nearly eliminating belt slip, and a need for a huge supercharger aka you "superefficient" lysolm unit. I don't know if what I just wrote is exactly what he's doing but it definitely is a possibilty defeating your "belt size, efficiency" statements.
5. Mounting of the supercharger looks fairly decent and the box model looks to be in place. There is a top and bottom mount on the front that you can see and if I were a gambling man I would bet it looks more substancial in the back.

That being said - hats off to Robert. Looks like he engineered a very comprehensive kit. I can only hope your kit is as comprehensive and as well thought out as his (I mean that sincerely).

Final words... that car just looks like loads of fun.

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Old 04-30-2005, 11:24 AM   #92
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ROFL!!!!

Nabisco has THE best bench racers Evar!!!!!!

You people crack me up. Thanks for the entertaining read while I sip my coffee
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Hey, I'm drinking coffee right now, too!
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The only thing better than bench racers and more comical, are the one's who comment on the bench racing and think they are adding something to the thread (whoring)...
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This reminds me of the tri-turbo mkiv supra...interesting idea, but won't ever catch on for a host of different reasons.

To the people claiming this will drastically reduce 60ft times, show me a sub 1.6 60ft out of it, b/c thats what stock sti's have been known to be capable of.

...and please don't use the "it runs 11s" as proof that its fast, it should be fast, but lets see some real numbers.
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Old 04-30-2005, 11:59 AM   #96
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wow this thread makes my head hurt. heres my dolla twenty five:

great around town... NO benifit for drag OR 60'ft times ***UNLESS*** youre driving an auto wrx, which is lame in the first place. so please, save us the pain of reading your little squabble. its a cool idea, but in the end probably not worth it. if you want power at 1900rpms why not just get a v8?

1 autos are faster in the 1/4 mile (dare i open that can of worms,?)

2 you might also want power in the high rev range, like this car has.
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this thread should have been done a long time ago, the kit is cool, its only a grand or 2 more than other gt35r kits, and it provides a torque curve from 2k to 7 k, name ANY other car out there that has a streetable 5k torque curve. most gt35r kits will only give you great power from 4-5k on up, and thats on a sti, what about a measly 2 liter. think about having that on a wrx. low end youd be running around ****ing people up with NO effort, because you can get some low end power with NONE of the low end drawbacks.

all you haters/naysayers, are saying well youre never that low in the rev range on the track, but you have to get there some how, and when its there to help spool, then its a good thing. its like nitrous to spool the turbo, but lots more consistant, and reliable, wont run out, doesnt cost money to fill it up, and you dont have to maintain it, by heating it, purging it, having to turn it on.

i dont see why anyone has any sort of drawback to this that isnt HUGELY outweighed by a positive side.
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Old 04-30-2005, 12:08 PM   #98
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WoW I see your still a F.A.G!!! U think I care for a minute about missing the P in the supra!! **** You dude, And the video doesnt work for me, So stay out of my business.... Ohh and the P is next to the [ key!!! Use your brain
lol, i can see you are still as intelligent as ever. I am sorry to see your accident has left you mentally incapacitated(that means stupid).

you didnt just mispell "supra" it was also "video" and using the word "don't"

clearly i saw that you just miskeyed the supra and even the video, but you can clearly read your own post(i hope), so use your own brain and edit your damn post so you seem like less of a retard please.

thanks, have a good day.

where are these plots at?

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i dont see why anyone has any sort of drawback to this that isnt HUGELY outweighed by a positive side.
OK, how about an acutal price from the company that makes it?
Acutal dyno numbers?
Actual track times?
Actual 60ft times?
Streetability (is that even a word?) / relability?

I'm not a hater, I just don't feel like jumping on something new just b/c its never been done before.

I'd think other consumers would like the same as well.
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nows when we question to the people saying the following

7500ish?
mid 11s
548 hp (crank)
60 foot times?
streetability, many of us have ridden in the car or talked to the owner, its has very reliable and drivable for the past year or whaever.
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