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Old 05-01-2005, 11:30 PM   #1
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Default new motortrend article on fwd vs rwd vs AWD

I was looking at the new motor trend and they had an iteresting article on the effects/advantages of different drive line configurations. they used a G35 sedan, pontiac something (GXP??) and the STi. they did all sorts of tests including slalom, braking, 0-60, and laps. they also had a comparison of understeer and how to invoke it and so forth. it was pretty interesting....

oh yeah, AWD owned all
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Old 05-01-2005, 11:33 PM   #2
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this sounds really interesting. i need to own one of my stupid friends. (thinks fwd is best thing ever...yah....) anyway can someone find this article on the internet for me?
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Old 05-01-2005, 11:36 PM   #3
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I was looking at the new motor trend and they had an iteresting article on the effects/advantages of different drive line configurations. they used a G35 sedan, pontiac something (GXP??) and the STi. they did all sorts of tests including slalom, braking, 0-60, and laps. they also had a comparison of understeer and how to invoke it and so forth. it was pretty interesting....

oh yeah, AWD owned all
Sounds like a good article. Let's compare three different vehicles with three different drivetrains and come to a conclusion about which is best.
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Old 05-01-2005, 11:43 PM   #4
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Sounds like a good article. Let's compare three different vehicles with three different drivetrains and come to a conclusion about which is best.

ha ha ha, the cars all had comparable HP, price, and 4 doors

but really, for a motor trend article it was pretty good. i was sure they were going to claim the pontiac the ruler.
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Old 05-01-2005, 11:44 PM   #5
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are there any links to this article?
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Old 05-01-2005, 11:45 PM   #6
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hmm, what car comes in FWD/RWD/AWD?
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Old 05-01-2005, 11:47 PM   #7
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well, the g35 has 2 out of three. i suppose you could run it against an altima 3.5 and have that work
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Old 05-01-2005, 11:52 PM   #8
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hmm, what car comes in FWD/RWD/AWD?
G35 comes in RWD and AWD. BMW comes in AWD and RWD. Lexus has AWD and RWD. Saab has a FWD and an AWD model. These are off the top of my head. There are two out of three categories.

The STi is not in the same vehicle class as a G35. One is a street tuned rally car, the other a performance sedan. The Pontiac, if it was a FWD Pontiac, is not remotely close to the same category as the G35 or the STi.

There is more to performance than simply RWD/FWD/AWD. For instance, suspension plays a huge role in a cars performance.
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Old 05-01-2005, 11:54 PM   #9
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Is it really fair to compare to an STi?
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Old 05-01-2005, 11:56 PM   #10
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The Pontiac, if it was a FWD Pontiac,
????? well, it was a pontiac, and it was fwd......not really sure why that would be in question. it is not like there are all these new rwd pontiacs to confuse it with
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Old 05-02-2005, 12:05 AM   #11
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I am going to hold judgement until I actually read the article..... maybe I shuoldn't be the only one....
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Old 05-02-2005, 12:06 AM   #12
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and further more, how would drivetrain layout effect braking?

(Rhetorical Question)

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Old 05-02-2005, 12:16 AM   #13
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????? well, it was a pontiac, and it was fwd......not really sure why that would be in question. it is not like there are all these new rwd pontiacs to confuse it with
GTO...
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Old 05-02-2005, 12:31 AM   #14
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I am going to hold judgement until I actually read the article..... maybe I shuoldn't be the only one....
Agreed. Only responding to the original poster's comment that "AWD owned all."

As Geese1 said, there is the GTO. Why on earth they picked a Pontiac FWD as opposed to a Honda/Acura, Nissan, Toyota, Audi, Volvo, etc. is beyond me.

Like WRXVT said, hard to say just what the point of the article is about without actually reading it.
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Old 05-02-2005, 12:50 AM   #15
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if they used an ACURA TL, Legacy GT and a G35 sedan it would have been a lot more realistic a Sti is in a class of performance few cars match
the G35 Im sure is a good all around car and the Pontiac is just a piece of junk
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someone link this article
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Old 05-02-2005, 01:33 AM   #17
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GTO is RWD....

Grand Prix GTP would be my best guess
(if that is FWD, which I'm pretty sure is )

but.... G35 and GTP vs. STI

Fat chance anything else stood up to it



P.S. GTO = FWD
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Less speculation, more scanned article.
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GTO is RWD....

Grand Prix GTP would be my best guess
(if that is FWD, which I'm pretty sure is )

but.... G35 and GTP vs. STI

Fat chance anything else stood up to it



P.S. GTO = FWD



What planet are you posting from? The GTO is a rear drive car. I can't think of a GTO that's ever had FWD. Ever.
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g35 sedans (6spd) get down at auto-x... my freind has one and he can put all the WRX's to shame
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I wouldn't wipe my ass with Motor Trend.. thier articles are crap. The premise is good, but the execution apparently is not. Comparing drivetrains from three different manufacturers (Pontiac of which hardly has the best FWD platforms...) for 'flaws' compared to one another is pointless.
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I wouldn't wipe my ass with Motor Trend.. thier articles are crap. The premise is good, but the execution apparently is not. Comparing drivetrains from three different manufacturers (Pontiac of which hardly has the best FWD platforms...) for 'flaws' compared to one another is pointless.
Just curious...have you read the article?

I am certainly not a fan of Motor Trend either...but they do have a number of different writers working for them.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the G35 a RWD but has the system where the AWD only turns on when the computer decides that you need it?

The only way to solve this AWD/RWD/FWD debate is to find somebody with more money than brains and have them custom build a couple STIs. One with rear drive, one with front drive, and race them both against a normal STI.

Oh yeah. I just remembered that the G35 with the AWD system is the G35x.
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Old 05-02-2005, 07:50 PM   #25
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There is nothing to debate about really. All else being perfectly identical (in the make believe world of having the same car with 3 different drivetrains), the AWD will most likely come out tops, though the RWD will give the AWD a run for its money on a dry track since the AWD has more drivetrain losses (less overall less power to the wheels). It will then be a toss-up between the RWD and FWD vehicles, depending on the conditions (dry versus wet/snow). However, as was posted in another thread, AWD does not give you that much advantage over FWD systems in the wet.

Why get an AWD car if you live in places like the deep south and southwest? As long as you have good tires on your car any drivetrain is fine. Besides, it is sunny for a majority of the year. A FWD or RWD car will suit your purposes just fine. However, your choices are really unlimited.

In places like the Midwest and Northeast, powerfulRWD cars (that do not have electronic stability control) may not be very practical (especially so for an inexperienced driver), so an AWD or FWD car may be the vehicles of choice. AWD will certainly outperform a FWD vehicle, but a FWD vehicle will still perform well.

AWD is nice, but it is not the epitomy of vehicular engineering.
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