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View Poll Results: Reflash or Dyno Tune
Cobb AP 6 31.58%
Vishnu Reflash 2 10.53%
Vishnu XEDE Tuned on Dyno 4 21.05%
other opinions...describe/discuss 7 36.84%
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Old 05-02-2005, 03:49 PM   #1
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Car is 2002 wrx wagon, 38K miles, daily driver, power mods:

TurboXS turboback exaust
Gutted uppipe
Samco IC hoses

I cant decide on getting a reflash (cobb or vishnu) or a custom tune by shiv since vishnu is 30 min away. I bigger turbo may be down the road, but it would be a big one that cobb does not support.

I want to squeeze the most out of the td04 on 91 octane....is a dyno tune worth the money for 10-15 more hp?? If I did do the dyno tune I would probably get the XEDE.

What do y'all think???
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Old 05-02-2005, 04:00 PM   #2
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cobb, its cheeper and for 400 more for a custom tune that only adds 10more hp , its just not worth it, plus with a cobb u can change with flash in 15min, or u have to pay again to get tuned again... cobb is cheeper in the long run
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Old 05-02-2005, 04:05 PM   #3
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if you're only 30 min away from shiv, i'd go that path. then you KNOW for a fact that the tune is catered towards your car, not towards everyone else's car. i have cobb AP, but if i were to do it again, i'd go ecutek.
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Old 05-02-2005, 04:12 PM   #4
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Old 05-02-2005, 04:12 PM   #5
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i got a custon dyno tune with ecutek for 650. soooooooooooo much better than the Cobb AP that i was using before. i have lot more power, my EGT's are safe, AND- get this- i'm getting 4 (FOUR) more mpg. i was getting 16 mpg with cobb 2.5 (vf30), now i'm consistently getting over 20. also, no more afterfire and no more stalling.
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Old 05-02-2005, 04:16 PM   #6
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If you are going to grow out of the stock turbo, then the Vishnu Xede may be nice. I would run it with the Vishnu Stage 1 map (I think this is what is Vishnu's UP, hoses plus TBE setup), and skip the custom tune for now. When you get a new turbo, THEN I would invest in the custom tune.

Besides, if you go with the Xede, you can use Vishnu's map as the base map, and then try your own "adjustments" in the secondary map spaces.

A custom tune on the stock turbo just feels... like overkill. Save it for when you can make much more power. Just my $0.02. I was Vishnu EcuTek (reflash) for stage zero, Kingpin for stage 1 (or equivalent), and custom dyno tune for the VF-34.
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Old 05-02-2005, 06:57 PM   #7
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Stage 1 or 2, outside cali I'd say generic is fine.

> stage 1 or 2 anywhere, go custom (bigger turbo ETC).

anything in cali i would get custom tuned because of your gas.

just my .02$
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Old 05-03-2005, 12:09 AM   #8
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AP it right now, then, when you want more, Street Tuner. Cheaper in the long run with just as much control.

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Old 05-03-2005, 08:18 AM   #9
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Stage 1 or 2, outside cali I'd say generic is fine.

> stage 1 or 2 anywhere, go custom (bigger turbo ETC).

anything in cali i would get custom tuned because of your gas.

just my .02$
Vishnu's tunes are reported to be somewhat conservative. Being HQ'ed near San Fran, I have to believe that Vishnu's off the shelf maps for Cali gas work fine for Cali gas.
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Old 05-03-2005, 09:39 AM   #10
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if you know you won't be modding much afterwards, go custom.
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Old 05-03-2005, 12:16 PM   #11
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All good info so far

Is 10-15 more hp accurate for a custom tune vs. a reflash?

I know my mods will adds 50-60whp...anyone know the hp levels that the vishnu dyno reads? I think Im leaning towards the XEDE so far, the only downside is $$$$$
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Old 05-03-2005, 12:38 PM   #12
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Car is 2002 wrx wagon, 38K miles, daily driver, power mods:

TurboXS turboback exaust
Gutted uppipe
Samco IC hoses

I cant decide on getting a reflash (cobb or vishnu) or a custom tune by shiv since vishnu is 30 min away. I bigger turbo may be down the road, but it would be a big one that cobb does not support.

I want to squeeze the most out of the td04 on 91 octane....is a dyno tune worth the money for 10-15 more hp?? If I did do the dyno tune I would probably get the XEDE.

What do y'all think???
This is a PERFECT post, because it will lead up to my dyno charts in a little bit....i'll let you wait for them. My car 02 WRX w/70k miles

FWIW- I voted for an XEDE and custom dyno tune only because I already had an XEDE....or else, I would just get the reflash.

I have turbo back and up-pipe, NO IC HOSES. Having been a COBB owner for about 40,000+ miles, it was OK at the time, considering I was able to put 1/2 the $ down, then 1/2 when it shipped. Thats the ONLY reason I went with COBB in the first place. Seeing that you are only 30 min away from vishnu, your decision should be a no brainer. I am 5-6hrs away, and I drove up there to get a custom tune.....and will do it again when I get a bigger turbo.

To answer your question, YES, a dyno tune with Shiv is worth the money....pay him whatever he asks for. Like Shiv once told me, "it will be the best money you will ever spend on the car." You will gain atleast 15whp with the custom tune.....more like 25-40whp.

After the custom tune from Shiv, the car pulled SO much harder I didnt believe it.

If you're nearby, I will gladly give you a ride in my Vishnu stage 1.
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Old 05-03-2005, 12:42 PM   #13
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All good info so far

Is 10-15 more hp accurate for a custom tune vs. a reflash?

I know my mods will adds 50-60whp...anyone know the hp levels that the vishnu dyno reads? I think Im leaning towards the XEDE so far, the only downside is $$$$$
Like I said before, atleast 15whp over the COBB reflash. I saw it with my own eyes and was in disbelief....I flash the COBB myself and verified the gains.

Stock WRX's put down 160-165whp on Shivs dyno. I put down 188whp with TBE and uppipe (NO enigine management). With Shivs tuning, I put down ~210whp.........and you DO NOT even want to know what the COBB reflash put down .....lets just say that it got own3d.
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Old 05-03-2005, 01:33 PM   #14
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Awsome Drew!! I was hoping to hear from an XEDE owner. Im glad you're happy with the tune. You gave me another reason to fork over the cash and get it right from the start.

I really want to avoid being let down with a reflash or AP reflash and want to make the most out of what I got. Cant wait for the dyno chart!!
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Old 05-03-2005, 01:55 PM   #15
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For the mods that you have or are going to get you don't really need anything more than a AP
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Old 05-03-2005, 02:11 PM   #16
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I picked up a used Utec for $250 and got a custom tune. With a 3"TBE w/ cat, Uppipe, HKS BOV, and AEM custom intake....I put down 192hp on a crappy dyno (two fwd dynapak dynos put together). After the tune with the Utec and the same mods, I put down a safe 215hp (underrated due to the crappy dyno). I like the capabilities of the Utec (valet, launch control, flat footed shifting, map selector for those days with the race gas, etc). Shop around for a good used Utec and I think you will be more than happy. I had Jarrad at PDX tune my car and he did a stellar job! Personally, if you plan on doing more modes in the future, I would go with something other than a reflash....two reasons: 1) Have multi map EM and keep a stock map and a modified map in case you want to go back to stock, 2) A good tuner will let you email him your maps if they need tweeking as opposed to having to get your car to them and let them do their thing (plus if you aren't satisfied with your custom tune, you can send your map to other tuners to be fixed).

Since Cobb has the ST available now, they will offer the same sort of features. It's really up to you, but if you plan on more mods in the future, I would suggest something like the Utec or the AP w/ST.


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Old 05-03-2005, 02:15 PM   #17
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For the mods that you have or are going to get you don't really need anything more than a AP
if you're going to talk "need" then he doesn't need a reflash at all.

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Old 05-03-2005, 02:20 PM   #18
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Ive decided Im not going the cobb AP/ST path

I should have added another poll option for utec/ecutek. That way other tuners could use it...the XEDE seems to have limited tuners/users.
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Old 05-03-2005, 02:26 PM   #19
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Awsome Drew!! I was hoping to hear from an XEDE owner. Im glad you're happy with the tune. You gave me another reason to fork over the cash and get it right from the start.

I really want to avoid being let down with a reflash or AP reflash and want to make the most out of what I got. Cant wait for the dyno chart!!
You're very welcome. How about you PM me and i'll flash your car, since I still have the AP. btw- I dont think you will be disappointed with the mail-in Vishnu reflash...its just that custom tuning is that much better. Hit me up via PM....I will gladly take you for a spin in my car, then you can compare it to yours.

Butt dyno is better than just looking at the dyno chart, however the results in the chart speak for themselves. Trust me, as soon as I post the charts, Vishnus phone will be ringing off the hook and COBB AP will be for sale everywhere, thats why I need to sell mine before I post the charts.
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if you're going to talk "need" then he doesn't need a reflash at all.

Lets not get smart...we don't need alot of things. But he's asking the question and I answered them along the parameters that he set.
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For the mods that you have or are going to get you don't really need anything more than a AP
Not true....myself, and 2 other friends drove the car after it got Shiv'd and they both said its a whole different car now....AFTER the AP.

Maybe what you meant to say was "For the mods that you have or are going to get you don't really need anything more than THE STOCK ECU."
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Not true....myself, and 2 other friends drove the car after it got Shiv'd and they both said its a whole different car now....AFTER the AP.

Maybe what you meant to say was "For the mods that you have or are going to get you don't really need anything more than THE STOCK ECU."
I know what I meant and did not mean to say I don't need you to tell me what I said. It's simple does he really need to spend that much money on EM when he hasn't done very much to his car in the first place? If he has money to burn then burn it this is just my opinion. But don't ever tell me how to speak again Drew..btw that's my sisters name...
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I know what I meant and did not mean to say I don't need you to tell me what I said. It's simple does he really need to spend that much money on EM when he hasn't done very much to his car in the first place? If he has money to burn then burn it this is just my opinion. But don't ever tell me how to speak again Drew..btw that's my sisters name...
guess you cant take a joke. Anyway, if he wants COBB AP for $595 instead of Vishnus flash for $650, more power to him.....it does offer some features that are useful (valet mode, alarm mode, diff octane, etc)...however, I think he already made up his mind, and after he rides in my car, this will confirm it. Im not saying he should pay $995 for the XEDE and $200 more for the custom tune....but for the extra $200, he would most likely pick up 10whp....and I say thats pretty good money spent.

I would suggest no more than a mail-in flash, from Vishnu. Vishnu is the clear choice in this case (because of the simple fact he is 30min away). I would suggest a COBB reflash if he was 30min away from COBB....that way, he can physically go into COBB building a complain to Trey, face to face & via verse with Shiv.
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Vishnu is the clear choice in this case (because of the simple fact he is 30min away). I would suggest a COBB reflash if he was 30min away from COBB....that way, he can physically go into COBB building a complain to Trey, face to face & via verse with Shiv.
Ok, good point.
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Please dont pollute my thread with garbage flaming, it has been great so far. Sent you a PM Drew
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