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Old 05-15-2005, 09:41 AM   #1
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Default Confirmed fit 6.5" woofer, 2.75" deep in a 2000 2.5RS w/no door mod (CDT EF-61CFi)

Eh, don't ask me how we made them fit, but they fit within very small tolerances 1/4in of space between the magnet and the glass and 1/4in between the woofer surround and the door card.

This is what you'll need to do:
A normal 1" spacer is NOT enough to fit these speakers. A 1in spacer will only be enough for 2.5" deep woofers, but just barely.

If the spacer is any more than 1" thick at the top, the door card will hit the top portion of the speaker basket, which will keep you from putting the door card back on and may cause it to pop out.

You need a spacer that is about 1" thick on top and 1.25" - 1.50" thick on the bottom.

We only had 1" thick cabinet board, so I built up the bottom of the cut-out in the door with matting by no more than 1/2in.

If you look at the pic below, you can see that the spacer is almost flush with the door at the top (I did build that part up 1/8" with matting), but the bottom has the most room in the door card, so you can build that out a full inch if you want.



The door panels fit back over (amazingly).


If you look closely and use the shadows, you can see there's about 1/4in of space between the woofer surround and the stock speaker grille:


Let me know if you have any questions about the install.

Using this method and building the bottom of the cut-out a full inch, you may be able to shoehorn some of those larger CDT baskets, or full-range Focal Polyglass 165 woofers in there. The larger CDT and Focal baskets are about 2.83" deep.

Feel free to ask questions about the install here.

The next time I take it apart I may take more pictures of the spacer/build-up, but I think it's pretty straightfoward.
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Old 05-15-2005, 10:25 AM   #2
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Did you try using any longer door pins? IAPerformance sells them really cheap and that would help to give some front side room for your woofer.

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Old 05-15-2005, 10:30 AM   #3
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Feel free to ask questions about the install here.
How close is the surround to the grille? Hard to tell from the image.

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Old 05-15-2005, 01:36 PM   #4
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with those holes you still have on the inner skin. i dont think the sound will be all that great. also i highly recommend painting your spacers. within a few rain storms, that wood is going to reak.
with deading a door skin. you should try to use one sheet, not 50 small pieces. by doing this, you try to create a seal from the back wave of the speaker, inorder for the speaker to sound correct.
also like said prior. what is the distance between the surround and the panel? you dont want the surround hitting the panel when the speaker is in excursion.
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Old 05-15-2005, 04:33 PM   #5
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^ word.

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Old 05-15-2005, 04:50 PM   #6
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There is probably 3/4 of an inch to the surround so thats not a problem.

And the spacer was painted with 3 layers of clear lacquer.

And as for the sound....they blow the focals away...even with the little holes in the door.
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Old 05-15-2005, 04:50 PM   #7
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what is the xmax for that speaker? aren't you afraid the cone excursion will make the surround hit the speaker cover?

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Old 05-15-2005, 05:02 PM   #8
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what is the xmax for that speaker? aren't you afraid the cone excursion will make the surround hit the speaker cover?

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brianh said 3/4" so there is no way in hell pretty much that speaker is hitting the door. If it did it would be the worlds 6.5" xmax leader
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Old 05-15-2005, 06:52 PM   #9
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Yeah, the speakers don't hit at full excursion.

I took more pics today. Will post when I get back from PA.

I did some heat gun trickery to buy myself an extra 1/4in as well.

No worries.

Also, the door card does have some matting on them and there's no vibration or rattling.

I'm not done sealing holes yet. The hole that's left right now is where my focal x-overs were located (note foam tape). I'll be covering that another weekend.

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Old 05-15-2005, 09:00 PM   #10
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Hi again,

I'm not sure if the photos I posted on the other thread are helpful, or not... but, well, You have them there already

Why don't you tell us a little bit about the tweeter sail mounting, now? Is it good enough? Are they just over the sail panel, or what??


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Old 05-15-2005, 09:42 PM   #11
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what is the xmax for that speaker? aren't you afraid the cone excursion will make the surround hit the speaker cover?

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the Xmax on those is around 3mm, they probably can move twice as far, in unlinear motion, but that's still only 1/4" one-way or so
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Old 05-16-2005, 12:59 AM   #12
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I ended up not trying to flushmount the tweeter in the sail panel.

It just wasn't going to happen.

I just JBWelded the angled pods to the sails again like I did with my focal tweeters.

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Old 05-16-2005, 01:44 AM   #13
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yea, i had originally read 1/4 clearance and BrianH posted simultaneously with me so i didnt see it

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Old 05-16-2005, 02:01 AM   #14
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Yeah, it's not 3/4in...definately 1/4, no more than 1/2...

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Old 05-16-2005, 08:50 AM   #15
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I ended up not trying to flushmount the tweeter in the sail panel.
It just wasn't going to happen.
I just JBWelded the angled pods to the sails again like I did with my focal tweeters.
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Anything special about their orientation? Where are you pointing them? You really really think I should take my Focals out of the door and put them there??


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Old 05-31-2005, 03:37 PM   #16
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Well, now that you don't have focal's any more, I do recommend that you put tweeters up there if you can.

I'm gonna try to fit the tw24's in there when I get them in. It'll be fun. I'm going to put the tw20's down on the floor as well. Can't hurt to try them there since I'll have them lying around anyways

Plus you have the attenuator, so you can adjust the tweeter levels if they seem a bit loud there. Mine are about 3dB or so too loud according to my trusty RTA.

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Old 05-31-2005, 05:34 PM   #17
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I guess I'll try within the sail panels..... if it doesn't work, both panels are less than $20.

I've used the Alpine x-over, with no major problems so far..... my Focals are currently running at 4.0K @18db, and -5db.


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Old 05-31-2005, 05:38 PM   #18
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I ended up not trying to flushmount the tweeter in the sail panel.
It just wasn't going to happen.

I just JBWelded the angled pods to the sails again like I did with my focal tweeters.

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Hadn't read this........ not at all?? Are they too big? Or what??


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On my car, I could have made it work, but I would have lost 2 of the tabs that hold the panel to the door. I'd then have to tape/glue it back in place and I just didn't like that.

It's better that the tweets come out farther from the door anyways. They project off the windshield better.

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I know what it's been said about trying different position/directions for tweets. Had you to choose one recommendation, what would it be? I was thinking sail panels, just opposite to each other.... what do you think?


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I really liked sail panels with the tweets opposite eachother, but they do sound a bit better right up against the windsheild on the A-pillars, about 2-3in up off the dash.

Only reason I haven't put them there is for the wiring and that the A pillar plastic piece is also the B pillar plastic piece. I'd have to try and get that entire section out of the car w/o breaking it. If they were just small panels like in the wrx, then I wouldn't have much of an issue with it.

My second choice was the sail panels, so I put them there.

I have to tear everything out to do the attenuator, so I may put the tw20's up on the dash somewhere and put the tw24's in the sail panels...

I'll have to re-tape everything and listen for a week or two.

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A-pillars seems to be too much work, while sail panels look OK from what I see.

We'll see, I guess!
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I think I can put the tw20's up on the dash, flushmount.

They will be in the far left and right corners, facing straight up. I can put them in the flat panel that runs across the dash at the base of the window. It comes out easily and I should be able to flushmount tweets in it w/o a problem.

I'll see once I get my hands on everything.

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One more question...... how am I supposed to point the tweeters opposite to each other with the angled surface they have? Using the sail panel, instead of the mounting surface?? I'm thinking of going within the sail panel, in case you wonder.....


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The sail panels on my car point downwards a little, so using the angle pod that comes with the tweeter is perfect.

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