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Old 05-10-2005, 10:54 PM   #1
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Default ej22t or ej20t?

Ok... I have a 98 impreza L... w/ 151k on the odo... i was going to buy a turbo kit this week...could get it real cheap and a lot of fun...but then quickly realized...i'm on stock clutch and everything... yes tehre is 151k on my clutch...trust me

so anyway... i'm looking into doing a full out swap within the year... but i cannot decide between the ej22t or ej20t (current wrx)

Price is a big thing considering i'm in school...and broke... but i would really like to hear what you guys have to say about it... availability, reliability, cost, time, effort....that type of deal... thanks in advance

i also know an ej22t can be pounded w/ boost...but i'm not looking for a 500 hp beast... just a nice...very sporty car...

i have the suspension...now i need the engine...

thanks again
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Old 05-11-2005, 12:15 PM   #2
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i'm going the same route w/ my 91 legacy l... from what i know, an ej20t swap into your car will for sure be more expensive than a ej22t swap. in either case, you'll probably want to upgrade your tranny to handle the power. most suggest wrx trans and cheap and effective. at a couple of local shops, an ej20t swap is in the $4000 range for labor alone. an ej22t swap is about $1200.

BUT, if you want to make a lot of power out of an ej22t, you'll have to get a stand-alone ecu. the stock ej22t ecu's aren't tunable like the new wrx ecu's. so that adds about $1000 to the price. total price for ej22t: $500 for motor, $1200 labor, $1000 computer, wrx turbo $200, wrx IC: $150, wrx trans $1000 incl labor =$4050

ej20t swap: $4000 labor, $1000 wrx motor, $1000 wrx trans: $6000 minimum...

personally, i'm going to start w/ an ej22t swap, w/ wrx trans, and get the computer/wrx turbo/Intercooler later, unless the shop recommends STRONGLY to do the computer at the same time...
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Old 05-11-2005, 12:51 PM   #3
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$4000 Labor? These are some of the easiest cars to work on. Got some friends and tools? Do the swap yourself.

I've seen healthy used USDM WRX engines + ecu for $700, transmissions for the same. If you play your cards right, and know right people, you could walk out the door with a finished car for 2k-3k.
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Old 05-11-2005, 06:56 PM   #4
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Ok,
For starters there is no such thing as an EJ20T!!! Yes, there is an EJ22T (even though most people mistakenly call the USDM Legacy Turbo engines Ej22G's, which is reserved only for the 22B). Sorry, but I just hate when that stuff is wrong. What you are talking about is swapping and EJ205 into your car (There are about 8 variations of EJ20's, and even within the variations, specs are often different).

Anyways, that said, if keeping the car legal is a consideration, an EJ22T is not an option. Putting an older engine into a newer car, is not allowed. You can go the other way, however, so the EJ205 is no problemo. Also, the EJ22T is OBD-I and your car is OBD-II, so this does complicate the wiring a bit. The EJ205 is an easier swap.

Also, the WRX tranny is in no way shape or form any stronger than your tranny. It is a waste of your time and money to do a tranny swap unless you upgrade the gears. A better clutch and flywheel are all you really need. There was a thread about this a few weeks ago. There are a lot of guys on this board running engine swaps without tranny swaps...
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Old 05-12-2005, 08:43 AM   #5
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Matt,

Breathe easy. He's not trying to say there's an actual "T" version of the EJ20. "T" simply meaning turbo, I bet.

As in the commonly-used "EJ20-T" or "EJ25-T" names.

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Old 05-12-2005, 10:44 AM   #6
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Matt,

Breathe easy. He's not trying to say there's an actual "T" version of the EJ20. "T" simply meaning turbo, I bet.

As in the commonly-used "EJ20-T" or "EJ25-T" names.

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thanks siper... the EJ205 is what i was referring to...but a lot of peopel simply know the current wrx engine as the ej20t... it just falls in line w/ the rest....

and i wouldnt be doing a full tranny swap...Type RA gears, flywheel and defintaly a clutch...

but thanks for all the usefull info...

can anyone veify that putting an ej22t would be illegal sinc emy car is newer?
i've never heard this before...but then again...havnt done much research
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Old 05-12-2005, 11:23 AM   #7
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I think it depends on if you can pass emissions with the EJ22. I have an 00 and pretty much have to go EJ205 unless I want to hella jerry rig the OBD. But with the 98, you might be able to get by with the EJ22 and still be emissions legal (if that matters). All things being equal I'd go with the EJ22..more displacement..more boost...and cheaper.

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Old 05-12-2005, 11:54 AM   #8
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Hey,
I am not all bent out of shape or anything, it is just that if he hadn't put (current WRX) in parentheses, we wouldn't have known what spec was being discussed. Most of the importers are calling the EJ20G's by the EJ20T designation and 90% of the time when people post about them here, that is what they are talking about.

Anyways, there is no way shape or form of making an EJ22T truly legal in a '98. Will it pass sniffer emissions? yes. But if they plug into your OBD-II port, they won't read a thing since the EJ22T ECU that you will switch over to will be OBD-I. Instant fail. Whether or not you can get away with it depends on your local controls.

So, aside from that, I am still going to push towards the WRX. It is just so much easier to make some real power. The Ej22T with a stock ECU will max out around 220hp. At that point, you will have to fight with a fuel cut defender at 12psi. You will already need to do a custom intercooler set up to hit 220hp. And then you will hit max duty cycle on the teeny little injectors with very few replacement options available. After that, the heads stop flowing and you have to change to better heads, manifold and a whole new set of injectors and rails. It becomes very convoluted very quickly to try and make serious power on the base EJ22T platform.

Don't get me wrong, the shortblock itself is a great building platform for real power, but the whole swap itself is a lot of work for not so much return, low cost or not. You will spend another $1000 in the first year just trying to make more power. A WRX swap is clean, factory, and not only is OBD-II legal in all 50 states, but is just a turboback and Cobb AP from 275chp...
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Old 05-15-2005, 06:26 PM   #9
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just stay with the EJ205... they are the most common, so basically that means youll find more parts for the EJ205 motor ( other than the 6th and 7th generation of EJ20's)
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Old 05-16-2005, 12:41 AM   #10
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lol, like here in boone NC, we just go to the shop, say we need an inspection, tell them the mileage and they slap a sticker on an say "that'll be 10 bucks."
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