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Old 07-31-2001, 11:59 AM   #1
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Post Fellow Lead-footed canadians (Radar Detector Laws!)

I always wondered what would happen if you got caught with a detector! Still probably worth it?! This is from the Ont. Hwy Traffic Act:

79. (1) In this section,
"radar warning device" means any device or equipment designed or intended for use in a motor vehicle to warn the driver of the presence of radar speed measuring equipment in the vicinity and includes any device or equipment designed or intended for use in a motor vehicle to interfere with the effective operation of radar speed measuring equipment.

Radar warning device prohibited
(2) No person shall drive on a highway a motor vehicle that is equipped with or that carries or contains a radar warning device.

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(3) A police officer may at any time, without a warrant, stop, enter and search a motor vehicle that he or she has reasonable grounds to believe is equipped with or carries or contains a radar warning device contrary to subsection (2) and may seize and take away any radar warning device found in or upon the motor vehicle.

Forfeiture of device
(4) Where a person is convicted of an offence under this section, any device seized under subsection (3) by means of which the offence was committed is forfeited to the Crown.

Penalty
(5) Every person who contravenes subsection (2) is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable to a fine of not less than $100 and not more than $1,000.

Exception
(6) Subsection (2) does not apply to a person who is transporting radar warning devices in sealed packages in a motor vehicle from a manufacturer to a consignee.
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Old 07-31-2001, 12:56 PM   #2
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In Ontario, if you get caught, it's a $1000.00 fine. Also if you have one, give it up because one OPP officer I know of *will* search your car (and tear it up if necessary) to find it. Most of the time, if you fess up, all they might do is confiscate it or make you pull the fuse if you are from out of province
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Old 07-31-2001, 02:48 PM   #3
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Hmmm, that's becomming less appealing now, but it's the points I'm really affraid of from those nasty speeding tickets!
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Old 07-31-2001, 04:02 PM   #4
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THEN DON'T SPEED!!!!!!! quite simple isn't it??

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Old 07-31-2001, 05:50 PM   #5
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Couldn't you just quickly disconnect the detector and place it in your pocket? According to the above, the police only has the right to search the vehicle not the person.
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Old 07-31-2001, 05:55 PM   #6
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I've heard that some people place it in a sealed envelope, but that really only works if the detector emits an audible warning or has some remote display. Apparently they they can't search a sealed envelope. Then you can just yank any wires out before they get to your car. Not sure if that works though. Anyone think this would work?

Man, has that car ever made me a criminal
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Old 07-31-2001, 06:52 PM   #7
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Quote:
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Couldn't you just quickly disconnect the detector and place it in your pocket? According to the above, the police only has the right to search the vehicle not the person.
There is more than one way to get around that.

Cop
"Sir, I've pulled you over for speeding and I suspect that you have a radar detector in your vehicle. Do you have a radar detector inside your vehicle?"

You
"What? no way!"

Cop
"Ok sir, please get out of your vehicle. Please get in the back of my cruiser while I check for outstanding warrents. I will have to search you for weapons before you enter my cruiser. It is for my saftey and yours sir. Hey, a radar detector, I thought you said you didn't have one?"

You
"Uhhhh, I mean... uhhh..."

As for putting it in a sealed envelope, if they had reasonable grounds I'm sure they wouuld open the package. Postal laws be damned.


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Old 08-01-2001, 12:21 AM   #8
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Hello to my neighbors to the north. I travel in Ontario occasionally from northern New York. One of my first modifications for my WRX is to design a hidden radar detector. They are not illegal in New York but it certainly does make the police angry. I intend to modify the gauge pod (make it higher) to somehow incorporate the detector . I own a valentine one detector which allows for remote viewing and control when hard wired. I know, I should probably “get a life” but you are all familiar with the long winters up here. If anyone is interested I will post the results.
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Old 08-01-2001, 11:44 AM   #9
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Definately!!! I was thinking the same thing about hiding a detector in there, but I'm not that good at fabricating anything... unless it's out of Lego

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Old 08-01-2001, 05:42 PM   #10
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guys,

sorry to burst your bubble but...

first off if you have a radar detector fine...it is only good for getting RADAR. here is the BUT part...if you have a radar detector that is good for radar/laser, it is only really good for the radar. LASER units will get your speed before the "radar detector" even goes off. laser can get a reading 60 times a sec. so there is no chance that you can slow down after the detector has gone off...they have your speed and have already begun to pull you over. So moral is... RADAR good...laser no freaking chance!!!! i am 100% sure of that!!!

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Old 08-01-2001, 06:21 PM   #11
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Yeah, good point spt. I just got nailed doing 150km in an 80 by Radar, so anything is better then nothing. I didn't really even realize I was going that fast, so it would have helped in that situation and definately would have paid for itself. With laser I'd have to agree with you.

Hmmm, I guess I find out tomorrow if I still have a license! Maybe I won't have to worry about all of this soon

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Old 08-01-2001, 08:30 PM   #12
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I think that the effectiveness ,or lack thereof , of both Radar and Laser ultimately rests on some very human factors. Laziness and ineptitude. A motivated and skilled policeman with radar
can get you anytime should you be the unfortunate one in there sights. This needs to be taken into account. However more times than not they are not used effectively and often can be detected and a good distance.
By effectively I mean in a pulse fashion instead of left on all the time.
Hand held Lasers cannot be used through a vehicles window. They must open the window and aim at the front or rear of the vehicle. How likely is that in the dead of winter?
Personally I use a radar dectector for two reasons. One as a reminder to watch my speed and secondly as a warning that police are around. I am a law abiding citizen but feel uncomfortable when they are in the vicinity. I simply do not trust them to be completely fair . I do not use my radar detector to speed , I think this a common misconception about their usage.
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