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Old 05-22-2005, 11:27 AM   #1
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Well here is the sad site i had to capture yesterday afternoon.





My baby being towed away after having a weird chain of events happen.
Heres the story:

Yesterday afternoon I went out to a few stores. After about a hour of "around town" driving I ended up at the last store I need to visit. Everything was fine up to this point. As I start up the car to leave the store I realize that my check engine light was on. I shut the car back off and then back on to see if it would go away. It did not. I said thats weird, but thought nothing of it and just assumed I would have to take it into the dealer on Monday. So, I start to head home and with in 2 minutes of driving another light on the dash comes on and starts flashing rapidly. This light is the AT oil temp light. Now I am starting to freak out. At this point the car still seems to be driving fine. Now I want to get her home even faster so I don't have any more problems. No such luck.......Within about another 2 min of the AT oil temp light flashing the lights on the instrument cluster start to go crazy!! The car is in drive, but the D light and the sport shift light (the one that tells you what gear you are in) start flickering on and off. So I decide to try putting it into sport shift mode and doing this stopped the flashing. While in sport shift mode the car seemed to be fine, however the CEL was still on as was the flashing AT oil temp light. so I was in 4th gear in sport shift mode and I decide to try putting it back into drive. As soon as I put it into drive the car immediately dropped into a lower gear (I assume 3rd). No matter how much I accelerated it would no longer shift into 4th on its own. So, I put it back into sport shift mode and I am then able to put the car back into 4th gear. I leave it this way as I am only now about 3 min from my house. BUT its not over yet!! As I continue down the road in 4th going about 45mph the car suddenly slams itself into a lower gear. Judging on how violently it felt when it it did it I would say it probably put itself into 2nd gear! It felt as if someone had rear ended me! it then immediately switched back into 4th gear. I decide to pull off the road right away and call a tow truck, but be for I could it decides to do the same thing again! this time it was not as violent as I was already slowing down, but still enough to scare the crap out of me again.

So I had her towed in to the dealership. I will keep you guys updated as to what they find. This really sucks. the car only has 2700 miles on it! The only good thing to come of this is that my loner is a Turbo Outback.
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Old 05-22-2005, 12:40 PM   #2
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Unhappy Sorry to hear that >>>

I hope the original problem wasn't serious & that it wasn't made worse by the drive home. Please keep us posted on the problem & good luck.
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Old 05-23-2005, 06:28 PM   #3
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OUCH! whats your driving style? I have an 03 classic and since I like to drive sporty it sometimes will downshift on its own on a flat road with no foot on the accelerator to literally 4 grand then switch back. No lights though.
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Old 05-24-2005, 02:12 AM   #4
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Another reason to get a manual
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Old 05-24-2005, 08:23 AM   #5
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I got her back yesterday. They claim that my Viper alarm was the cause and disconnected it and now everything seems to be ok. I dont know how that could have caused this, but the say that there is a CAM system in the 2005 that controls a bunch of functions in the car and the communication between that and the trans was lost.
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Old 05-24-2005, 07:55 PM   #6
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wow. Electrical systems are touchy these days...
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Old 05-24-2005, 10:20 PM   #7
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Yeh, electrics on cars is a pain these days. They are sensitive to any added on things. They seem to get backfeeds really easy, and do all kinds of crazy things. And the wiring can change colors every year, so if it was put in with older installation guides, that can be troublesome. Mike
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Old 05-25-2005, 02:00 AM   #8
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I have a firend with a legacy, his car wouldnt start and he thought it was the starter (symptoms looked that way too) new started didnt help, so we ripped out the alarm system. It started right up.
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Old 05-25-2005, 08:32 AM   #9
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It's a Baja... why does it need an alarm?
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Old 05-25-2005, 10:30 AM   #10
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It's a Baja... why does it need an alarm?
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Old 05-25-2005, 11:20 AM   #11
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Oh man, this makes me feel so much better

When I bought my used Baja from a dealer, they had installed their own car alarm and tried their darndest to have me pay for it. I just stood my ground and said that I don't want it, and take it out. Well, they kept preasuring me to keep it, and kept lowering the price to the point of "We'll just let you have it for no cost!!"

Nope, not for me!! I stood my ground and told them to take it out. They finally fessed up that their alarm installer was out to dinner (it was an evening purchase) and that I would have to wait for him to get back. I told them "No problem, I can wait." and I did

Hearing about Nelly's issues, I am so glad that I held out. The alarm the dealer had put in was very invasive, remote engine kill, remote door locks, seat shocker, lojack, etc. You name it, it had it.
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Old 05-25-2005, 10:28 PM   #12
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let me guess you got remote start or the kill switch
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Old 05-26-2005, 08:00 PM   #13
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It's a Baja... why does it need an alarm?
Ok, call me dumb. I don't get it! What am I missing here?
Keep it under 90, folks!
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Old 05-26-2005, 09:14 PM   #14
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I got her back yesterday. They claim that my Viper alarm was the cause and disconnected it and now everything seems to be ok. I dont know how that could have caused this, but the say that there is a CAM system in the 2005 that controls a bunch of functions in the car and the communication between that and the trans was lost.
Actually I believe he ment to say there is a CAN (Controller Area Network developed by Bosch) kinda like WAN or LAN for your computers. It is just a communications network that allow each of the systems to interact. And if the Alarm system took higher priority than the transmission, it could prevent messages getting through and cause the upset. Each system does know it has been superseded when it happens and should be able to deal with it. A problem could arise if the alarm took the whole network down though.
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Old 05-27-2005, 06:01 AM   #15
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Actually I believe he ment to say there is a CAN (Controller Area Network developed by Bosch) kinda like WAN or LAN for your computers. It is just a communications network that allow each of the systems to interact. And if the Alarm system took higher priority than the transmission, it could prevent messages getting through and cause the upset. Each system does know it has been superseded when it happens and should be able to deal with it. A problem could arise if the alarm took the whole network down though.
Exactly.
I un-install alarms all the time on Saturns. Quite often the alarm installers hack up the CAN or the BUS thinking its a good signal ignition voltage or something. Using scotch locks tend to increase amperage too. Butchers I tell ya!
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Old 05-27-2005, 08:23 AM   #16
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Ok, call me dumb. I don't get it! What am I missing here?
Keep it under 90, folks!
It was sarcasm that no one would want to steal a Baja since theives target cars that are either fun to drive or great for parts.

Baja is under the radar, hence... Why an alaram? It's a Baja!
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Old 06-03-2005, 04:06 AM   #17
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It was sarcasm that no one would want to steal a Baja since theives target cars that are either fun to drive or great for parts.

Baja is under the radar, hence... Why an alaram? It's a Baja!
That's what I dig about this truck-it's a total sleeper.
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Old 06-03-2005, 07:17 PM   #18
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It was sarcasm that no one would want to steal a Baja since theives target cars that are either fun to drive or great for parts.

Baja is under the radar, hence... Why an alaram? It's a Baja!
OK, NOW I get it! Duh!

But I do believe you are right, as most people don't know what a Baja is, let alone a Turbo, why would anyone want to "borrow" it!

As has been stated before here, it is a secret speed machine. Heh, heh!

Keep it under 90, folks!
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Old 06-08-2005, 11:01 AM   #19
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Sorry, guys for not posting for a while. Yes it was the CAN system not CAM. My typo. The car has been fine since the alarm was disconnected. I actually own/run my own business of installing audio, video and security products for dealerships. I personally installed this alarm on my baja. I have been doing this for over 10 years , so I am no hack nor do I use scotch locks. I tried to get the tech to tell me where I taped onto this CAN wire so I could figure out how to correct the problem and continue to use my alarm, but he said he did not know. Also contacted the techs at the alarm company (DEI) and they show no difference between the 2004 wiring and the 2005, however the subi tech says there is (2004 does not have CAN system).

So I am at a loss. The alarm was on the car for almost 2 months before the problem started to happen, so it will be hard to try and figure this one out. I may hook it all back up and try removing one wire at a time, rather than just cutting the power to see if I cant pinpoint whats affecting it.
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Old 08-04-2005, 12:45 PM   #20
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Nelly, any updates?
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Old 08-04-2005, 01:58 PM   #21
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Yeah, I think the dealership was trying to screw me. They hit me with a $300 bill and said that I needed to pay to fix it because they said the alarm was to blame. I did in fact hook the alarm back up the exact way it was before and the problem has yet to come back (even though the tech said it would come back immediately when he hooked it back up). So I have told them that I am not paying for squat until they can prove to me that what I did made the problem happen. Obviously, It hasn't happened yet, and I don't expect it to either. I think they were just trying to get some $ out of my pocket!
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