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Old 08-22-2011, 09:58 PM   #151
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This might be a dumb question will a 05 wrx flywheel fit on a 05 LGT and if so will it work good and have any improvement. Thanks for any help
Sorry it won't work, if the trans was intended for a 2.5l it needs a 2.5l flywheel and clutch. You can however reuse your male style axles with no problem though.
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Old 09-26-2011, 08:34 PM   #152
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I've looked around all the clutch/transmission/flywheel FAQs and haven't seen this mentioned save for a $300 estimate in Unabomber's original FAQ. That seems very low for the job as described here and elsewhere.

After 180k miles, my clutch is finally too gone to tolerate. I have nursed it through slight slippage for years (I'm a professional driver with a very sensitive throttle foot.) But I don't have the location or inclination to change the clutch myself, so I need to have it replaced by a professional. Unfortunately, I live in a rural area with few capable repair shops and more than an hour away from a Subaru dealer (or independent Subaru specialist.)

The questions are: how much should I expect this repair to cost? Should I find a Subaru specialist, or is the repair similar enough to the same repair in other cars that I can trust the job to a general mechanic? Is having a dealer do the job cost-prohibitive? I gather from my reading that specific shop references are probably a no-no here, but if I am wrong about that, anyone have a hint for me? (Central Missouri, between Columbia and St. Louis)

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Old 12-12-2011, 03:14 PM   #153
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so ive decided on buying a competion clutch stage 4 for my hybdrid 2.5/2.0 wrx. can any one suggest a nice flywheel to pair wih it?
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Old 12-19-2011, 08:01 AM   #154
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Hello everyone,

I have a comp clutch Kevlar disc....its brand new to go with my new 2.5L build in my 02 bugeye with the stock 5sp. Here is my scenario. I just put the new motor in, when i started it the rear main seal like and was spitting oil all over the place, changed it out and my friend installed the new seal but ended up seating it too far in and bam leaked again. I installed the 3 seal and things are good to go. I got it running and started driving it. I put about 50 mi. so far no boost and clutch grabs fine. But in an effort to not drive on an unfinished tune (because I am having Clark Turner do my tune through email) I had to send him Idle and cruise logs. When he responded and everything looked good he said do the logs again but this time also do a 3rd gear pull from 2000 - 5000rpm WOT. When I did this boost came on, (not sure of full boost psi should be somewhere between 19-21lbs) and before I even hit 4000rpm the clutch slipped and I immediately pressed it in and let go of the gas as I was overly cautious about the first boost pull on the new motor. I do have a lightweight 14lb (i think) Fidanza flywheel on it as well.

So my questions are:
1) Is it normal for a kevlar (or any) clutch to slip during breaking?

2) Is it possible that this could be due to some oil maybe getting on the disc from the past to bad rear main seal installs?

3) Would driving around town 500mi for the break-in possibly help this? Or do i need a new clutch?

4) Would having the pedal adjusted possibly help the situation? I am not sure if the pedal adjustment has any affect on the clamping power of the clutch.

I was under the impression that break-in was for engaging and disengaging and once in gear the clamping should hold it the power no matter what.

Any help is appreciated as I have had a run of bad luck and my daily driver (prism) motor just went at 218,700mi. So I am kind of on limited time because I need the car to commute 100mi. to work.

On the plus side, my vf39 seemed to spool super fast with the build and bored 2.5L and 07 STi heads, along with the GrimmSpeed 3-port boost controller
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Old 12-29-2011, 02:58 PM   #155
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To Cuztomimportz, did you read the characteristics of a Kevlar clutch? Kevlar: High-durability material more resistant to hard use. Engagement is similar to organic, but may glaze slightly in stop and go traffic, resulting in slippage until worn clean when used hard again. Higher temp range in general, but can be ruined from overheating; will not return to original characteristics if "cooked". Material is uniform yellow/green and may look slightly fuzzy when new.

I'm no expert but this may be why it's slipping...
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Old 02-01-2012, 11:46 AM   #156
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i have ordered the exedy oem stock clutch kit. i have an act lightweight flywheel.

question: is it bad to have different brand flywheel and clutch?
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Old 02-01-2012, 12:25 PM   #157
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i have ordered the exedy oem stock clutch kit. i have an act lightweight flywheel.

question: is it bad to have different brand flywheel and clutch?
In some applications you cannot mix-match brands, but in your case but you should be fine with this combination.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:02 AM   #158
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ok thanks
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Old 02-15-2012, 10:39 AM   #159
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I've looked around all the clutch/transmission/flywheel FAQs and haven't seen this mentioned save for a $300 estimate in Unabomber's original FAQ. That seems very low for the job as described here and elsewhere....
This may be too late for you but I just got a quote from my local Subaru dealer to replace the clutch in my STI. It came in at $2001.81. ~$876 of that is parts including a replacement flywheel. They said it's an all day type of job and I do know from doing the WRX clutch three times that it does take a good 6 hours.
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Old 02-15-2012, 11:05 AM   #160
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This may be too late for you but I just got a quote from my local Subaru dealer to replace the clutch in my STI. It came in at $2001.81. ~$876 of that is parts including a replacement flywheel. They said it's an all day type of job and I do know from doing the WRX clutch three times that it does take a good 6 hours.
It shouldnt take anywhere near 6hrs. Andrewtech did my clutch in 3.5 hrs. They put in New clutch, New pressure plate, New Fw, TOB, Pilot Bearing, clutch fork, clutch master cylinder, clutch slave cylinder. New passenger side front halfshaft. New shift linkage bushings (Kartboy). Labor was 500 for all of that. Parts ran me just over a grand.

My appointment was for 9am, and I was on the way back up the road by 1:30 pm. The last hour was from Andrew test driving the car, and getting the payment squared away and getting a case of Motul 8100 ordered.
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Old 02-15-2012, 03:04 PM   #161
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It shouldnt take anywhere near 6hrs. Andrewtech did my clutch in 3.5 hrs. They put in New clutch, New pressure plate, New Fw, TOB, Pilot Bearing, clutch fork, clutch master cylinder, clutch slave cylinder. New passenger side front halfshaft. New shift linkage bushings (Kartboy). Labor was 500 for all of that. Parts ran me just over a grand.

My appointment was for 9am, and I was on the way back up the road by 1:30 pm. The last hour was from Andrew test driving the car, and getting the payment squared away and getting a case of Motul 8100 ordered.
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How hard is it to install a clutch? Allow around five hours for install time. Professional installation, depending on your area, is around $300. This is one vehicle modification that should be farmed out to a professional unless you have the right tools/equipment and are mechanically skilled.
It took me 6 hours to do the job all by myself with hand tools on my old WRX. But I was in no hurry. Sounds like Andrewtech have it down to a science.

I was just giving the dealer price that I got as a point of info. Good to know it can be done cheaper.

Although, if I go to the dealer I can spend the time test driving new Subies. I think I'll try the new Impreza first ...
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Old 02-15-2012, 03:20 PM   #162
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It took me 6 hours to do the job all by myself with hand tools on my old WRX. But I was in no hurry. Sounds like Andrewtech have it down to a science.

I was just giving the dealer price that I got as a point of info. Good to know it can be done cheaper.

Although, if I go to the dealer I can spend the time test driving new Subies. I think I'll try the new Impreza first ...
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Old 02-16-2012, 01:48 PM   #163
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I myself just paid $450 for install and $80 for resurface of the flywheel. P&L did it in about 3 hours themselves. When I looked for quotes I got anything from 450 - 1100. Just depends I think on whether the shop is experienced with doing this type of work on our cars.
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Old 02-23-2012, 12:13 PM   #164
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Is there a difference between the flywheel on a 2005 (2.0) and a 2006 (2.5)? I need to know if I can install a 2005 tranny in my 2006.

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Old 02-24-2012, 09:46 AM   #165
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+1 on the above question. I have a ACT flywheel from a 2006+ that i want on my 2005. Starters are the same so tooth count seems to be out.
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Old 02-24-2012, 09:56 AM   #166
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I myself just paid $450 for install and $80 for resurface of the flywheel. P&L did it in about 3 hours themselves. When I looked for quotes I got anything from 450 - 1100. Just depends I think on whether the shop is experienced with doing this type of work on our cars.
You think the dealer doesn't know how to do it?

I've always heard that resurfacing the flywheel is a bad idea. It doesn't save you much money and you may end up with warping. Resurfacing is fine for brakes because they are dead easy to replace if they do warp. Flywheel not so much.

I have no problem paying more to get it done by a certified tech instead of a tuner shop. Besides the money is going to help the economy.

The biggest reason for me was that the dealer is close and I get a free loaner 2012 outback premium.
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Old 02-24-2012, 04:50 PM   #167
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You think the dealer doesn't know how to do it?

I've always heard that resurfacing the flywheel is a bad idea. It doesn't save you much money and you may end up with warping. Resurfacing is fine for brakes because they are dead easy to replace if they do warp. Flywheel not so much.

I have no problem paying more to get it done by a certified tech instead of a tuner shop. Besides the money is going to help the economy.

The biggest reason for me was that the dealer is close and I get a free loaner 2012 outback premium.
So $160-200 isn't much to you? If not, then you can send it to Justin_dv@yahoo.com

Why would you get warping from a resurfaced flywheel? It should be perfectly flat after being machined (unless its stepped, then it should have two perfectly flat and parallel surfaces)

It's not that they don't know what they are doing, its just highway robbery to charge $2k for a clutch replacement, and they don't do nearly as many as a place like Andrewtech does. They charge you for hours that aren't being worked on. Flat rate is wonderful if you are the tech, is sucks when you are the customer though. You pay x hours of labor regardless if it takes them 3hrs or 25.

As far as a certified tech working on your car, yes it is a little peace of mind. But if you have a known good shop (I.E. Andrewtech) that pulls and builds our transmissions for a living and does it for less, and you know its done right, why wouldn't you save yourself $500+. Especially if they are going to warranty their work!

Not everyone has a dealer nearby, and not everyone that does will get a free loaner car while theirs is in the shop.

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Old 02-24-2012, 05:02 PM   #168
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Is there a difference between the flywheel on a 2005 (2.0) and a 2006 (2.5)? I need to know if I can install a 2005 tranny in my 2006.

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The 06+ WRX uses a stepped flywheel. I believe the 02-05 doesn't.

Bottom line is no you can't. Only way you could would be to get the 05 FW, and the matching rear diff for the 05 final drive ratio. Not to mention you would need an 05 slave cylinder, fork, tob, and pilot bearing. The 02-05 is pull type clutch, while the 06-07 is push type

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+1 on the above question. I have a ACT flywheel from a 2006+ that i want on my 2005. Starters are the same so tooth count seems to be out.
No compatible. You need the 02-05 flywheel due to the 06 flywheel being stepped and being a push type instead of a pull type clutch.
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No compatible. You need the 02-05 flywheel due to the 06 flywheel being stepped and being a push type instead of a pull type clutch.

Hmm thats not cool at all then. My 05 clutch and pressure plate bolt up perfectly. So its just the stepped portion that screws me?
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So $160-200 isn't much to you? If not, then you can send it to Justin_dv@yahoo.com

Why would you get warping from a resurfaced flywheel? It should be perfectly flat after being machined (unless its stepped, then it should have two perfectly flat and parallel surfaces)

It's not that they don't know what they are doing, its just highway robbery to charge $2k for a clutch replacement, and they don't do nearly as many as a place like Andrewtech does. They charge you for hours that aren't being worked on. Flat rate is wonderful if you are the tech, is sucks when you are the customer though. You pay x hours of labor regardless if it takes them 3hrs or 25.

As far as a certified tech working on your car, yes it is a little peace of mind. But if you have a known good shop (I.E. Andrewtech) that pulls and builds our transmissions for a living and does it for less, and you know its done right, why wouldn't you save yourself $500+. Especially if they are going to warranty their work!

Not everyone has a dealer nearby, and not everyone that does will get a free loaner car while theirs is in the shop.
Bro I agree with you, no need to pick a fight. Like I said, I chose the dealer because they are close to ME and offered a loaner to ME. Other's results may vary. I didn't want to wait while the repair was done and true that was probably lazy and expensive. I don't feel bad about paying for good service and quality goods. Kinda why I don't shop at Walmart, but I digress.

I figure why not spend some money at the place that has sold me parts at dealer cost for many years. But I found out that has ended, as Roy retired and the new kid doesn't know me from Adam.

EDIT: I forgot the warping part. I can't say if it's true or not that resurfacing a flywheel is a problem. That's one of those "facts" you get from a motorhead friend and may or may not be true. I do know that removing mass can be a problem as well as the metalurgical changes machining can cause but I've never had to examine flywheels at the level of detail.
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Bro I agree with you, no need to pick a fight. Like I said, I chose the dealer because they are close to ME and offered a loaner to ME. Other's results may vary. I didn't want to wait while the repair was done and true that was probably lazy and expensive. I don't feel bad about paying for good service and quality goods. Kinda why I don't shop at Walmart, but I digress.

I figure why not spend some money at the place that has sold me parts at dealer cost for many years. But I found out that has ended, as Roy retired and the new kid doesn't know me from Adam.

EDIT: I forgot the warping part. I can't say if it's true or not that resurfacing a flywheel is a problem. That's one of those "facts" you get from a motorhead friend and may or may not be true. I do know that removing mass can be a problem as well as the metalurgical changes machining can cause but I've never had to examine flywheels at the level of detail.
Well get it out of your head, because there are likely hundreds of thousands if not millions of cars running around (including wrx's/sti/lgt etc) all over the world with resurfaced flywheels (and some of them even race!) without issue. Removing mass is never a problem when you have a 25lb dumbbell on the end of your crankshaft ;-). What would it possibly do to it that machining a cylinder wall wouldn't do? It's basically the same thing except done with a Blanchard or Rotary Flywheel grinder. Besides that, I've only ever had to take about .004-.005 out to make it true again. That's not a lot of material, nor mass being removed. And I may be wrong but I believe the OEM flywheels are cast iron. It's not going to hurt a thing to have a resurfaced flywheel. In fact for us guys who's flywheel is well over $200 for OEM, I would surely recommend that if you are in a position where you have a choice, have the original equipment resurfaced. It's a no brainer

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This may be too late for you but I just got a quote from my local Subaru dealer to replace the clutch in my STI. It came in at $2001.81. ~$876 of that is parts including a replacement flywheel. They said it's an all day type of job and I do know from doing the WRX clutch three times that it does take a good 6 hours.


i paid $1,965 for Exedy hd stage 1 organic clutch, exedy lightened flywheel, front cv shafts, s.s. braided brake lines with brake fluid flush it was done in less than a day...labor and parts for clutch and fw was $1,420
AZP INSTALLS did the work
since ive only had it for 2 months im still getting used to the lightened flywheel there is a lot of chatter if u dont get the right rpms matched i feel that i have to ride the clutch a lot more than the stock one and im still getting the wonderful clutch smell.
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Can someone post updated clutch replacement instruction links? All those, but the scooby mods, are dead. The scooby mod link is for a non turbo car. Thanks very much!
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Post some....i ain't got the time to research like I used to. If you find some post them here and I'll update....until then try putting the links into the webarchive and seeing if they come up.
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