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Old 05-25-2005, 04:54 PM   #1
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Just saw an odd site on the way home today. At middlebelt & Ann Arbor trail, two police walking the northbound lanes (between traffic, on the road lane lines). Thier car was off to the side, but no accident or anything. They weren't directing traffic, just standing there. I talked to a neighbor, and she suggested that they were looking for seatbelt tickets, with more police further down the road. This right at the approach to an intersection, and there were plenty of parking lots to pull into on the other side (where I couldn't see if there were more police.) Seems like a dangerous way to check for something like that. What else could they be doing?

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Old 05-25-2005, 05:04 PM   #2
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Click it or ticket. Easy $65 ticket.

They have checkpoints set up everywhere. There was one @ Belleville & Mich. Ave. today.

I guess in the past those checkpoints have caused accidents. I guess that's more revenue for both the fire and police.

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Old 05-25-2005, 06:17 PM   #3
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Click it or ticket. Easy $65 ticket.

They have checkpoints set up everywhere. There was one @ Belleville & Mich. Ave. today.

I guess in the past those checkpoints have caused accidents. I guess that's more revenue for both the fire and police.

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I got a seatbelt ticket a year ago and it was $104.

"They do it to save lives" yeah right, they do it for more money
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Old 05-25-2005, 06:39 PM   #4
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Why weren't you wearing your seatbelt? Kinda like blaming the cop for giving you a speeding ticket.
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Old 05-25-2005, 06:44 PM   #5
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Why weren't you wearing your seatbelt? Kinda like blaming the cop for giving you a speeding ticket.
yes, I was not wearing it, it was my fault.

I didn't think about it because I was only going a couple blocks.

I had no other fault, that was it, I wasn't speeding, I wasn't tailgaiting, nothing, just not wearing my seatbelt.

I still doubt their intentions. Quotas and $$ is what it comes down to.
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Old 05-25-2005, 07:57 PM   #6
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Nothing but a money making scam. This is another idiot law.
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Old 05-25-2005, 08:37 PM   #7
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My seatbelt has saved my life before so I don't mind that they're ticketing for it even if it's 'BS' and just a 'money making scam.'

I still can't believe in this day and age that people bitch about having to wear a seatbelt.

I witnesses a girl get violently ejected from her SUV in a roll over accident that happened on the Dan Ryan a few years ago. The Explorer rolled OVER her foot/ankel and she was screaming bloody EFFn murder. IF she were wearing her seatbelt, I doubt she would have been thrown out of the vehicle.

What about the discount on the 'scam' of auto insurance for wearing a seatbelt. I'm sure when they ask you or whatever, you just nod and say 'sure do...' Shouldn't you give that $$$ back to them then???

Anyhoo...click or ticket.

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Old 05-25-2005, 08:58 PM   #8
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Nothing but a money making scam. This is another idiot law.
Yeah but are you going to be one of those people whining when your insurance rates or taxes go up from increased deaths?

Studies have shown that not wearing seat belts costs state and/or county public services more money. Cleaning up brains is much harder physically and mentally than sweeping up broken taillights. Plus now you involve the corner, hospital staff and half a dozen other service not involved with a fender bender. These types of law (like helmet laws or sin tax) are designed to protect the general public from carrying the burden of a few peoples poor choices.

Now you can argue the pros and cons in terms of personal freedom/civil liberties and social engineering but a profit motive? Yeah right
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Old 05-25-2005, 08:58 PM   #9
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The romulus PD was doing this Monday at the Airport. And Canton does this every Saturday on Ford road. I don't understand why people don't wear them.
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Old 05-25-2005, 09:02 PM   #10
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My seatbelt has saved my life before so I don't mind that they're ticketing for it even if it's 'BS' and just a 'money making scam.'

I still can't believe in this day and age that people bitch about having to wear a seatbelt.

I witnesses a girl get violently ejected from her SUV in a roll over accident that happened on the Dan Ryan a few years ago. The Explorer rolled OVER her foot/ankel and she was screaming bloody EFFn murder. IF she were wearing her seatbelt, I doubt she would have been thrown out of the vehicle.

What about the discount on the 'scam' of auto insurance for wearing a seatbelt. I'm sure when they ask you or whatever, you just nod and say 'sure do...' Shouldn't you give that $$$ back to them then???

Anyhoo...click or ticket.

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#1, its My right to kill myself if i so choose.
#2, What if she were wearing her seatbelt, and instead of her whole body getting ejected , just her head was allowed to slip to the side enoguh for It to be under the suv instead of her leg?
#3, There is No Insurance company that will give you $$ off your insurance for Saying you wear a seatbelt.

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and btw, if your headed to dekalb on I88, they sit at both exits standing at the toll with flashlights most weekends.
thats when most of the kids go home and come back as well as have parents stopping up...
you tell me thier just worried about my safety and ill tell you your totally full of ****.
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Old 05-26-2005, 12:01 AM   #11
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but it's not your right to drive a motor vehicle on public funded roads... it's a permission granted you by the secretary of state... and part of the conditions of you being allowed to use the road is you have to follow the rules... and one of the rules is you have to wear your seatbelt...
#3 insurance companies do give you $ off for NOT getting tickets
#2 and what if a meteor came down and killed her... we can "what if" all day
#1 and no... killing yourself is illegal as well
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Old 05-26-2005, 12:29 AM   #12
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but it's not your right to drive a motor vehicle on public funded roads... it's a permission granted you by the secretary of state... and part of the conditions of you being allowed to use the road is you have to follow the rules... and one of the rules is you have to wear your seatbelt...
#3 insurance companies do give you $ off for NOT getting tickets
#2 and what if a meteor came down and killed her... we can "what if" all day
#1 and no... killing yourself is illegal as well
Sure hes an ass but hes right
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Old 05-26-2005, 12:38 AM   #13
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Get used to it, it's gonna happen even more often.

I was in Baltimore the other week and one of my friends got a ticket for that up there(only pulled over for that). In Cincinnati, they've been doing intermittent checkpoints since they passed the law allowing them to pull you over just for a seatbelt violation.
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I'm glad in wisconsin they can't pull you over for just having your seatbelt off. Secondary enforcement.

Tickets are a scam. Period. I'll feel this way till they change the price of the ticket to a percentage of your income. $100 to one guy can be two days work, while another guy it's a 1/2 hour. Not fair plain an simple.

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Old 05-26-2005, 04:49 AM   #15
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#1, its My right to kill myself if i so choose.
#2, What if she were wearing her seatbelt, and instead of her whole body getting ejected , just her head was allowed to slip to the side enoguh for It to be under the suv instead of her leg?
#3, There is No Insurance company that will give you $$ off your insurance for Saying you wear a seatbelt.

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and btw, if your headed to dekalb on I88, they sit at both exits standing at the toll with flashlights most weekends.
thats when most of the kids go home and come back as well as have parents stopping up...
you tell me thier just worried about my safety and ill tell you your totally full of ****.
1) If/when you decide to kill yourself Trent (not that I want to see you dead as I think you're pretty cool), please do it does not involve any state or federal municipalities so my tax dollars do not go to your investigation or clean up or whatever.
2) That's a big 'what if...' that can't be answered as it did not occur. I'm just stating what I saw. What if Dubya wasn't our (not by my choice either time) President??? Would our troops be over in Iraq/Afghanistan? Would they be somewhere else dying/in harms way? Would the tsunami in Asia have happened? Would I be less fat than I am now?
3) Funny you say that as I'm looking @ my State Farm coverages on my Civic and I get a $26.55 discount/6 months for wearing my seatbelt. That's 1/2 the cost & 100% less hassle than getting stopped by the po-po and ticketed for not wearing the damn thing.

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lol here in MO they just passed a new seatbelt law and got rid of the motorcycle helmet law in the same bill.....Ironic.
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#1, Agreed
#2 its not a big what if, it happens all the time... and, No, Yes, and No.
#3 that should prove the point that its a bull**** ticket, if they take $ off for answering a question correctly, they should just give me insurance free because i may get tickets, but i dont get in accidents.

(That have been reported anyway)
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Old 05-26-2005, 08:59 AM   #18
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lol here in MO they just passed a new seatbelt law and got rid of the motorcycle helmet law in the same bill.....Ironic.
Wow. That's classic beaurocracy at work there.

Personally I always wear my belt, but I don't think it should be a primary enforcement ticket.

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Old 05-26-2005, 12:52 PM   #19
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lol here in MO they just passed a new seatbelt law and got rid of the motorcycle helmet law in the same bill.....Ironic.
helmets save lives too..... you know how they got rid of it? They complained about it instead of bending over and taking it and eventually they gave in.

Should we wear seat belts? yes
should they patrol (fundraiser) for that instead of trying to catch (name your favrite felony here)? hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhell no
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Old 05-26-2005, 01:16 PM   #20
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I believe that we should all have a right to not wear our seatbelts if we wish. However:
1) I think that all children should have to wear seatbelts and having an unrestrained minor in the car should be a reason to pull you over (as well as smoking in the car with a minor, but that's another story)
2) If you get into an accident and aren't wearing your seatbelt (or if on a motorcycle & not wearing a helmet) you should get nothing from your insurance company or from the government to support you. If you don't want to follow the rules, that's fine, just don't expect others to cover for you when the rules are very easy to follow
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"but it's not your right to drive a motor vehicle on public funded roads... it's a permission granted you by the secretary of state... and part of the conditions of you being allowed to use the road is you have to follow the rules... and one of the rules is you have to wear your seatbelt..."

This isn't true, it has been held up in several court cases that driving is a right and not a privilage granted by the state. You only give up said "rights" of protection when you sign a contract saying that you do so... IE when you sign you DL which is a contrat with the State to conform to that state Uniform Comercial Code of driving.

That being said good luck fighting the system. Accept that cops are here to collect your money.
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Old 05-26-2005, 01:46 PM   #22
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lol, I was in GR last weekend and on 28th street, there was a cop every driveway for about 1/2 a mile. It was a pothead's worst nightmare, lol!

I honestly don't see the arguement against it (the seatbelt law). I'll always wear my belt so I'll never get a ticket for it. Should cops be patroling it as heavy as they are? Well, no, but that's their choice. I also don't go flying through construction zones either and laugh at the idiots that get pulled over. You know the law, obey it, it's really not that hard. Don't like it? Call your congressperson.
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ya.. i dont know.. for me its entirely habit. for example, i was driving across a parking lot to go to the front desk of a hotel from my room.. all of 150 feet (i had luggage and was on my way out, or else i would have walked) and i put my seatbelt on. i realized after i had done it that it was pretty worthless, but it was habit.

and yes, state farm does give you a % discount for saying yes to that question. if they can prove otherwise, you don't get the discount.
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Posted By Mykrrr

"I witnesses a girl get violently ejected from her SUV in a roll over accident that happened on the Dan Ryan a few years ago. The Explorer rolled OVER her foot/ankel and she was screaming bloody EFFn murder. IF she were wearing her seatbelt, I doubt she would have been thrown out of the vehicle. "


Yes, that is possible but so are other scenarios, for example. I was in an accident. I was T-boned in the drivers side at approxametly 60mph. If i would have had my seatblet on i would be dead. Instead i was pushed into the passenger seat and only had a sprained left arm and some minor cuts. The person that hit me had airbags and seatbelt. They sustained a broken nose, broken rib and had a minor concushion(sp?).



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"#3 insurance companies do give you $ off for NOT getting tickets"

Yes, but in most states a seatbelt ticket is a safety violation, not a citation. It counts the same as parking tickets and adds no point onto your DL. Therefore means nothing to the insurance company.


I am very much against a seatbelt law. That being said i do wear my seatbelt. Not beacause of some law, because i feel better with it on. I just do not believe that the government should be allowed to tell us what we have to do in and on our own property. My not wearing my seatbelt affects no one but me. Therefore it is not infringing on anyones rights. As for the studies that show that seatbelts save lives i belive them but they get twisted for the purpose of making money and getting politicians elected. For every study i have seen i would bet that there is a study that states the exact opposite. As for this tax dollars and insurance premiums, no way. I would be wiling to bet that if everyone wore their seatblets and less people died in motorvehicle accidents that we would not see a dime back in either premiums or taxes.
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#1, Agreed
#2 its not a big what if, it happens all the time... and, No, Yes, and No.
#3 that should prove the point that its a bull**** ticket, if they take $ off for answering a question correctly, they should just give me insurance free because i may get tickets, but i dont get in accidents.

(That have been reported anyway)
1) Good to see we're on the same page on this.
2) I'm referring to THAT situation and that situation only. Double
3) Why don't you just give me the savings you get from that premium reduction and I'll put it in the bank and when you get a seatbelt ticket I'll send it to you. Sound good...

WRX2FFU - See #2 above. I never said in all situations that seatbelt use will protect you from injury but what if you weren't wearing your seatbelt? You could have been thrown over to the passenger side of the car, smashed yer head through the side window and gotten more injured than you actually were. Again, a LOT of 'what if's...' so it's hard to say either way.

Also, there was never any mention that seatbelt tickets were punishable by points on your record but it does go on your record. The insurance company sees this and raises your rates because of your actions.

2000WRX - The act of driving a car should NOT be a right. It should be earned. Our drivers 'education' system in this country is an absolute embarrasment. Look @ other countries as to how stringent their motorvehicle licensing laws are. I'm thinking the UK and Germany as examples. Their drivers are put through much more training than here in the US. I'm not saying that there aren't asshats that drive across the pond but they have to go through better education.

I know for one thing that my son or daughter will be very well versed in driving an automobile if they want to get behind the wheel of a car.

Last thing, I am neither for nor against seatbelt or helmet laws. I use both items when I drive/ride because I like my life and there are too many idiots on the road that I can't control.

Anyhoo...I'm tired of arguing this silly topic. Drive safe and be happy.

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