Any Legacy GT guys here?

LegacyGT4 · 05-29-2005, 09:57 AM

I have fallen in love with the car and I am almost positive I will be getting one, I was just looking for a list of what you as owners think are pros, cons etc etc. I have recently been looking into getting a used STi however I have determined that they are too much work for what I need to accomplish, I plan on modding the Legacy but only slightly. I hear they respond very well, what kind of gains could I expect out of a flash, tbe, up and dp, cai? I was thinking of buying brand new because they start at $26,000 I think but I may want to buy used because I can get a Limited with low low miles for $25,000 or so after the 06's have been out for a while. What do you think?

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melayout · 05-29-2005, 10:16 AM

I've put 21k hard and fun miles on my Black Un-Limited GT 5EAT Sedan since I got it Sept 04.

Pros:
+ Fast
+ Refined
+ Very Reliable
+ Spacious front seats
+ Very good brakes
+ Good Gas mileage when you baby it, hit 27mpg on a roadtrip according to trip comp, but who does that
+ Love the 5EAT, flawless, I would've liked to get the 5MT, but I was swayed by the bad rap it got from the WRX.
+ Great service experience, even though I'm 21 and admit to very hard driving, the dealer has never let me down, I would've probably been treated differently if I had gotten a 5MT WRX.
+ FUN, FUN, FUN
+ Total sleeper

Cons:
- Paint
- Front windshield
both typical of all Subarus

Checkout www.legacygt.com for more LGT-specific info, I'm under the same login.

P.S. It seems the website is down or something.

Mojo

LegacyGT4 · 05-29-2005, 10:22 AM

I was debating weather to go with a slightly used 2005 GT Limited, or a brand new 2006 non Limited. I heard Subaru offers a "paint protector" but is the paint really that bad? I really would like one of these however the first thing I need to work out is weather or not the Limited is worth what people pay, what should I expect to pay for a brand NEW 06 non limited. The car will be a 5spd for sure, I want to stay under $25-26,000 with whatever I end up with, I will be putting $3-4,000 down on the car. I wish I had a perspective from the non limited owners and how they feel about not having leather. I think it looks very nice, feels very nice but is tempermental. I live in Maine so 80-90 degree summers are no fun with leather, cold winters either. On the other hand the leather cleans up easier, the sunroof gives a less clostrophobic feel, I wonder if the car is ANY stiffer, or how much the body integrity is improved by NOT having the sunroof, that could be a blessing in disquise. I'd love a brand new one but can't afford the Limited, are these cars like buying used STi's or WRX's? Abused generally?

melayout · 05-29-2005, 10:42 AM

I have the Un-Limited,aka(Non-Limited) GT, and the cloth seats are amazing. Since I'm single, cleanup isn't an issue for me, but when I had to I used some ArmorAll Cleaning wipes and it came right out. DON'T eat in the car even on a roadtrip.

I have 1 or 2 miniscule chips, which stand out on my Black GT, but other than that the paint is the great and the windshield has very minute pits from the elements. Both are common to all Subarus and are non-issues for me, but I stated them for completeness.

North Carolina is mostly dry, so the stock RE92 tires are not a problem, they stick pretty good and are predictable, but I will probably go with the Pirelli Pzero M+S when I wear em out.

Brakes, you gotta treat em right. Always apply steady pressure to make sure the pads heat up, don't pulsate, I think I've warped my rotors since this is my first high-performance car. Some people complain that high-speed braking causes brake shudder, and that's probably because they apply full brakes immediately instead of steady increasing pressure to make sure the pads and rotors heat up and mate correctly.

Handling is superb, people say it has too much body roll, but it's fine by me since I don't autocross or race it. Pinks are recommended to reduce body roll and it lowers by about 15mm.

As for the price, people on www.legacygt.com have stated that they got Non-Limited 5MT GT Sedans for 24-25 grand.

Also, it looks like the 06 lineup will have a special edition Spec B, with 18 inchs, Blistiens, and Navi plus the Non-Limited GT trim will be discontinued.

So I think you can grab a Non-Limited 5MT/EAT GT Sedan for 24-25 grand before or once the MY06 legacies start showing up.

OneLegged · 05-29-2005, 11:38 AM

There is speculation there will be NO non-limited 2.5GTs in 06. Apparently this is already verified with the Forester XT, so it makes sense they would do the same with the Legacy line.

I just bought an 05 un-limited GT wagon, paid less than 24.

awdG35killer · 05-29-2005, 01:45 PM

^^^onelegged is right.

i agree with all the pros above, but i havent experienced the cons. only con is stinky clutch with high revs. had the car since OCT 04.

Ken S · 05-29-2005, 03:33 PM

Regarding the paint, I believe the US-made Legacys have *slightly* more chip resistant paint compared to the Japan-made Impreza/Foresters. The paint on the leading edge of my hood is holding up far better than with my previous Forester. The Foresters paint seemed to be more brittle and thin compared to the Legacy.

The paint on the bumper is another story though. The softer material of the bumper seems to yield to stones more easily.

Ken

rogerd · 05-29-2005, 08:50 PM

I guess 2006 will offer something like the UK 3.0 - Nav, 18" wheels, etc. Go to www.subaru.co.uk for a look. But, since the 2.5GT is more powerful and has better numbers, I'll pass. We have had the LGT wagon (5MT, not LTD) since last fall, No problems; it's quick, comfortable, esp. over local crappy roads, and is not fazed by bumps in mid corner - always a good test. I did lose a tire on a minor (IMO) pothole. I think the 215/45 just gives too small a sidewall to deal with poorly maintained roads. New tire time, they will be bigger.

Mach V Dan · 05-29-2005, 11:24 PM

I love my '05 GT wagon (un-Limited). The cloth seats are indeed great. The car is fast and stealthy. Well, maybe it's less stealthy now than it used to be...

--Dan
Mach V
FastWRX.com

LegacyGT4 · 05-30-2005, 12:01 AM

I wonder how much of a power difference there is in the Legacy GT and the stock WRX. Is the GT a heavy car? I wonder how it would stand up to 350z's, g35's etc etc.

gtwagon941 · 05-30-2005, 12:21 AM

Legacy has more power (250 vs 234??) and doesn't weigh in much more than the WRX, if my memory is right. The GT will beat a WRX in a drag race, and probably any race for that matter. You can go to www.subaru.com to check out the curb weights of them all, or even search on this forum. All of this has been covered in the past.

.02

Jared

Diabolical1 CC · 05-30-2005, 12:32 AM

Get the paint protection. It will make a big difference when you need it, and the colour difference is almost non existant. I bought my 04 in 04 because I couldn't afford an 05 at that time. Although I may end up buying a 2002-03 VDC sedan instead, they are also affordable now and while not as fast, they are better in almost every other way. IMO

emorphien · 05-30-2005, 01:39 AM

What is the paint protection Subaru offers? I haven't seen that before.

Diabolical1 CC · 05-30-2005, 02:28 AM

clear 3M stuff.

anotherB4 · 05-30-2005, 06:53 AM

The paint is honestly not THAT bad. I've had much worse on a Nissan that my wife had (Primera/G20) - that looked great, but pitted under the assault of Tokyo acid rain, and fell off at the first hint of an impact. The later model Skyline we have is holding up brilliantly. My previous Legacy (BG) was also in great condition after 3 years of hard slog (lots of snow/anti-freeze + Tokyo rain).

My 2000 Legacy is also doing well, with 70k kms (mostly high speed

) it does have a fair few chips up front, so if Subaru sold paint protector film, I'd be in for it pronto. The underside is looking well used (snow country does that), but w/no rust.

In general my car is in pretty good condition IMHO, and I'd say the newer model is even better built too.

emorphien · 05-30-2005, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diabolical1 CC

clear 3M stuff.

I guess I asked the wrong question, I know what it is but I hadn't seen dealers offering it before.

Franklin · 05-30-2005, 08:58 PM

I just purchased an Outback XT Limited. With the addition of the sub-woofer, armrest extension, security system upgrade, self dimming mirror, wheel locks and cargo net, I purchased my new 05' for $29,500 plus closing costs, about $31,700 out the door. I already have several paint chips. I paint on the hood is VERY thin but this is the best car I've ever owned and is an awesome bang for the buck! I love this car. I bought Cobb's AP and the local dealership is installing an up pipe and turbo back exhaust this Wednesday. I will then put in Cobb's stage two. With just the stage one from Cobb...Big Difference. I can't wait til Wednesday!

jesstercpa · 05-31-2005, 10:26 AM

05 LGT Unlimited here. Very Satisfied.

Jesse

LegacyGt05 · 05-31-2005, 11:03 AM

05 LGT Unlimited here as well .. I have the AP Stage 1 on my car, a worthy upgrade. One thing I noticed while accelerating in 2nd/3rd gear without the AP, there seemed to be a slight hesitation. This is pretty much now gone, plus ... the big grin on my face I get each morning to work is worth the price. I have the Rockblocker clear bra kit for the front of my car. The paint has held up well so far ...

Prog · 05-31-2005, 01:27 PM

FWIW the 5MT is not the same as the WRX...

05 LGT unlimited here.... since sept of 04... there is NOTHING i dont love about this car...

disorder · 05-31-2005, 04:21 PM

I moved from a 1998 Impreza L, known as the Slug, to a 2005 Legacy GT Limited. There it not a day that I don't say, wow, when I drive. I love this car, comfort, power and it's a sleeper!..

Legacy05 · 06-01-2005, 01:46 PM

The legacy gt only really weighs about 125 pounds moree than the sti. i have the legacy gt limited and took a bmw m3. i was pretty impressed. Anybody now about modding the car and what to get

Prog · 06-01-2005, 02:12 PM

an E36 right? (95-98 ish)

the newer ones have 333HP , even with the weight diffference, it still has almost 100hp more than a new LGT, and only weighs 50lbs more...

grimbeaver · 06-01-2005, 06:25 PM

05 LGT lim here... love the sunroof on my wagon. The brakes could have been better though. They feel a bit soft imo.

smagoun · 06-01-2005, 10:52 PM

Nobody's mentioned the awful stereo which has no good way to hook up an iPod. Other than that I love my '05 LGT.

05-29-2005, 09:57 AM	#1
LegacyGT4 Scooby Newbie Member#: 88121 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Maine Vehicle: 1999 Ford Explorer Charcole	Any Legacy GT guys here? I have fallen in love with the car and I am almost positive I will be getting one, I was just looking for a list of what you as owners think are pros, cons etc etc. I have recently been looking into getting a used STi however I have determined that they are too much work for what I need to accomplish, I plan on modding the Legacy but only slightly. I hear they respond very well, what kind of gains could I expect out of a flash, tbe, up and dp, cai? I was thinking of buying brand new because they start at $26,000 I think but I may want to buy used because I can get a Limited with low low miles for $25,000 or so after the 06's have been out for a while. What do you think? * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

05-29-2005, 10:16 AM	#2
melayout Scooby Newbie Member#: 69316 Join Date: Aug 2004 Chapter/Region: South East Location: NC Vehicle: 2005 Legacy 2.5 GT Black OBIS.blah.blah.DAN	I've put 21k hard and fun miles on my Black Un-Limited GT 5EAT Sedan since I got it Sept 04. Pros: + Fast + Refined + Very Reliable + Spacious front seats + Very good brakes + Good Gas mileage when you baby it, hit 27mpg on a roadtrip according to trip comp, but who does that + Love the 5EAT, flawless, I would've liked to get the 5MT, but I was swayed by the bad rap it got from the WRX. + Great service experience, even though I'm 21 and admit to very hard driving, the dealer has never let me down, I would've probably been treated differently if I had gotten a 5MT WRX. + FUN, FUN, FUN + Total sleeper Cons: - Paint - Front windshield both typical of all Subarus Checkout www.legacygt.com for more LGT-specific info, I'm under the same login. P.S. It seems the website is down or something. Mojo Last edited by melayout; 05-29-2005 at 10:25 AM.

05-29-2005, 10:42 AM	#4
melayout Scooby Newbie Member#: 69316 Join Date: Aug 2004 Chapter/Region: South East Location: NC Vehicle: 2005 Legacy 2.5 GT Black OBIS.blah.blah.DAN	I have the Un-Limited,aka(Non-Limited) GT, and the cloth seats are amazing. Since I'm single, cleanup isn't an issue for me, but when I had to I used some ArmorAll Cleaning wipes and it came right out. DON'T eat in the car even on a roadtrip. I have 1 or 2 miniscule chips, which stand out on my Black GT, but other than that the paint is the great and the windshield has very minute pits from the elements. Both are common to all Subarus and are non-issues for me, but I stated them for completeness. North Carolina is mostly dry, so the stock RE92 tires are not a problem, they stick pretty good and are predictable, but I will probably go with the Pirelli Pzero M+S when I wear em out. Brakes, you gotta treat em right. Always apply steady pressure to make sure the pads heat up, don't pulsate, I think I've warped my rotors since this is my first high-performance car. Some people complain that high-speed braking causes brake shudder, and that's probably because they apply full brakes immediately instead of steady increasing pressure to make sure the pads and rotors heat up and mate correctly. Handling is superb, people say it has too much body roll, but it's fine by me since I don't autocross or race it. Pinks are recommended to reduce body roll and it lowers by about 15mm. As for the price, people on www.legacygt.com have stated that they got Non-Limited 5MT GT Sedans for 24-25 grand. Also, it looks like the 06 lineup will have a special edition Spec B, with 18 inchs, Blistiens, and Navi plus the Non-Limited GT trim will be discontinued. So I think you can grab a Non-Limited 5MT/EAT GT Sedan for 24-25 grand before or once the MY06 legacies start showing up. Last edited by melayout; 05-29-2005 at 10:49 AM.

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05-29-2005, 10:22 AM	#3
LegacyGT4 Scooby Newbie Member#: 88121 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Maine Vehicle: 1999 Ford Explorer Charcole	I was debating weather to go with a slightly used 2005 GT Limited, or a brand new 2006 non Limited. I heard Subaru offers a "paint protector" but is the paint really that bad? I really would like one of these however the first thing I need to work out is weather or not the Limited is worth what people pay, what should I expect to pay for a brand NEW 06 non limited. The car will be a 5spd for sure, I want to stay under $25-26,000 with whatever I end up with, I will be putting $3-4,000 down on the car. I wish I had a perspective from the non limited owners and how they feel about not having leather. I think it looks very nice, feels very nice but is tempermental. I live in Maine so 80-90 degree summers are no fun with leather, cold winters either. On the other hand the leather cleans up easier, the sunroof gives a less clostrophobic feel, I wonder if the car is ANY stiffer, or how much the body integrity is improved by NOT having the sunroof, that could be a blessing in disquise. I'd love a brand new one but can't afford the Limited, are these cars like buying used STi's or WRX's? Abused generally?

05-29-2005, 11:38 AM	#5
OneLegged Scooby Newbie Member#: 88051 Join Date: May 2005	There is speculation there will be NO non-limited 2.5GTs in 06. Apparently this is already verified with the Forester XT, so it makes sense they would do the same with the Legacy line. I just bought an 05 un-limited GT wagon, paid less than 24.

05-29-2005, 01:45 PM	#6
awdG35killer Scooby Specialist Member#: 75698 Join Date: Nov 2004 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: Denver Vehicle: 2013 Legacy 2.5i RMK #2 !!!	^^^onelegged is right. i agree with all the pros above, but i havent experienced the cons. only con is stinky clutch with high revs. had the car since OCT 04.

05-29-2005, 03:33 PM	#7
Ken S Scooby Newbie Member#: 1895 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Bay Area, CA Vehicle: 05 Leg GT Ltd. W Silver	Regarding the paint, I believe the US-made Legacys have slightly more chip resistant paint compared to the Japan-made Impreza/Foresters. The paint on the leading edge of my hood is holding up far better than with my previous Forester. The Foresters paint seemed to be more brittle and thin compared to the Legacy. The paint on the bumper is another story though. The softer material of the bumper seems to yield to stones more easily. Ken

05-29-2005, 08:50 PM	#8
rogerd Scooby Specialist Member#: 59934 Join Date: Apr 2004 Vehicle: 2005 Legacy GT Wagon Atlantic Blue	I guess 2006 will offer something like the UK 3.0 - Nav, 18" wheels, etc. Go to www.subaru.co.uk for a look. But, since the 2.5GT is more powerful and has better numbers, I'll pass. We have had the LGT wagon (5MT, not LTD) since last fall, No problems; it's quick, comfortable, esp. over local crappy roads, and is not fazed by bumps in mid corner - always a good test. I did lose a tire on a minor (IMO) pothole. I think the 215/45 just gives too small a sidewall to deal with poorly maintained roads. New tire time, they will be bigger.

05-29-2005, 11:24 PM	#9
Mach V Dan NASIOC Vendor Member#: 12029 Join Date: Nov 2001 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Sterling, VA	I love my '05 GT wagon (un-Limited). The cloth seats are indeed great. The car is fast and stealthy. Well, maybe it's less stealthy now than it used to be... --Dan Mach V FastWRX.com

05-30-2005, 12:01 AM	#10
LegacyGT4 Scooby Newbie Member#: 88121 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Maine Vehicle: 1999 Ford Explorer Charcole	I wonder how much of a power difference there is in the Legacy GT and the stock WRX. Is the GT a heavy car? I wonder how it would stand up to 350z's, g35's etc etc.

05-30-2005, 12:21 AM	#11
gtwagon941 Scooby Specialist Member#: 16874 Join Date: Mar 2002 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Portland, OR Vehicle: 2008 Audi RS 4 01 Subaru LGT Sedan	Legacy has more power (250 vs 234??) and doesn't weigh in much more than the WRX, if my memory is right. The GT will beat a WRX in a drag race, and probably any race for that matter. You can go to www.subaru.com to check out the curb weights of them all, or even search on this forum. All of this has been covered in the past. .02 Jared

05-30-2005, 12:32 AM	#12
Diabolical1 CC * Banned * Member#: 59897 Join Date: Apr 2004	Get the paint protection. It will make a big difference when you need it, and the colour difference is almost non existant. I bought my 04 in 04 because I couldn't afford an 05 at that time. Although I may end up buying a 2002-03 VDC sedan instead, they are also affordable now and while not as fast, they are better in almost every other way. IMO

05-30-2005, 01:39 AM	#13
emorphien Scooby Newbie Member#: 83039 Join Date: Mar 2005 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: Rochester, NY Vehicle: 2005 LegacyGT Ltd 5m ಠ_ಠ	What is the paint protection Subaru offers? I haven't seen that before.

05-30-2005, 02:28 AM	#14
Diabolical1 CC * Banned * Member#: 59897 Join Date: Apr 2004	clear 3M stuff.

05-30-2005, 06:53 AM	#15
anotherB4 Scooby Specialist Member#: 6120 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Tokyo Vehicle: BE5B AVOed B4-RSK Sorta White	The paint is honestly not THAT bad. I've had much worse on a Nissan that my wife had (Primera/G20) - that looked great, but pitted under the assault of Tokyo acid rain, and fell off at the first hint of an impact. The later model Skyline we have is holding up brilliantly. My previous Legacy (BG) was also in great condition after 3 years of hard slog (lots of snow/anti-freeze + Tokyo rain). My 2000 Legacy is also doing well, with 70k kms (mostly high speed ) it does have a fair few chips up front, so if Subaru sold paint protector film, I'd be in for it pronto. The underside is looking well used (snow country does that), but w/no rust. In general my car is in pretty good condition IMHO, and I'd say the newer model is even better built too.

05-30-2005, 08:58 PM	#17
Franklin Scooby Newbie Member#: 85647 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ponte Vedra, Florida Vehicle: 2005 Outback XT Champagne Gold Opal	I just purchased an Outback XT Limited. With the addition of the sub-woofer, armrest extension, security system upgrade, self dimming mirror, wheel locks and cargo net, I purchased my new 05' for $29,500 plus closing costs, about $31,700 out the door. I already have several paint chips. I paint on the hood is VERY thin but this is the best car I've ever owned and is an awesome bang for the buck! I love this car. I bought Cobb's AP and the local dealership is installing an up pipe and turbo back exhaust this Wednesday. I will then put in Cobb's stage two. With just the stage one from Cobb...Big Difference. I can't wait til Wednesday!

05-31-2005, 10:26 AM	#18
jesstercpa Scooby Newbie Member#: 70269 Join Date: Sep 2004 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: New Jersey Vehicle: 2010 Infiniti G37x Black	05 LGT Unlimited here. Very Satisfied. Jesse

05-31-2005, 11:03 AM	#19
LegacyGt05 Scooby Specialist Member#: 80074 Join Date: Jan 2005 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Peoria, AZ Vehicle: 2007 BMW 335i Sapphire Black Metallic	05 LGT Unlimited here as well .. I have the AP Stage 1 on my car, a worthy upgrade. One thing I noticed while accelerating in 2nd/3rd gear without the AP, there seemed to be a slight hesitation. This is pretty much now gone, plus ... the big grin on my face I get each morning to work is worth the price. I have the Rockblocker clear bra kit for the front of my car. The paint has held up well so far ...

05-31-2005, 01:27 PM	#20
Prog Scooby Specialist Member#: 1473 Join Date: May 2000 Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico Vehicle: 2005 Legacy GT 5MT Satin White Pearl	FWIW the 5MT is not the same as the WRX... 05 LGT unlimited here.... since sept of 04... there is NOTHING i dont love about this car...

05-31-2005, 04:21 PM	#21
disorder NASIOC Supporter Member#: 668 Join Date: Dec 1999 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Ann Arbor, MI, USA Vehicle: 2005 Legacy GT Protuned RBP	I moved from a 1998 Impreza L, known as the Slug, to a 2005 Legacy GT Limited. There it not a day that I don't say, wow, when I drive. I love this car, comfort, power and it's a sleeper!..

06-01-2005, 01:46 PM	#22
Legacy05 Scooby Newbie Member#: 87908 Join Date: May 2005 Location: setauket, NY Vehicle: 2005 Legacy GT Ltd Black	The legacy gt only really weighs about 125 pounds moree than the sti. i have the legacy gt limited and took a bmw m3. i was pretty impressed. Anybody now about modding the car and what to get

06-01-2005, 02:12 PM	#23
Prog Scooby Specialist Member#: 1473 Join Date: May 2000 Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico Vehicle: 2005 Legacy GT 5MT Satin White Pearl	an E36 right? (95-98 ish) the newer ones have 333HP , even with the weight diffference, it still has almost 100hp more than a new LGT, and only weighs 50lbs more...

06-01-2005, 06:25 PM	#24
grimbeaver Scooby Specialist Member#: 56322 Join Date: Mar 2004 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: W. Van Vehicle: 05 Satin White Legacy 2.5GT Wagon	05 LGT lim here... love the sunroof on my wagon. The brakes could have been better though. They feel a bit soft imo.

06-01-2005, 10:52 PM	#25
smagoun Scooby Newbie Member#: 30754 Join Date: Dec 2002 Chapter/Region: NESIC	Nobody's mentioned the awful stereo which has no good way to hook up an iPod. Other than that I love my '05 LGT.