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Old 06-01-2005, 01:12 PM   #1
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I'm curious, how many folks in the Legacy group has gone thru with a motor swap.

Things I'm curious about.

What motor you chose.

Power mods you did after the swap.

Pics? Just want to see pretty pictures of Boosted motors in the Legacy.

Bragging rights (timeslips, dyno runs)

It will be a few months before my swap, but I'm already looking at what power mods to do after the intial swap.
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Old 06-01-2005, 01:38 PM   #2
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I'm working on a swap for my friends 98 legacy.
2002 WRX motor with 2003 JDM Forester 5 speed.

I hope to have the motor and trany installed tonight.
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Old 06-01-2005, 01:40 PM   #3
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Car: '96 Legacy LS w/ '99 GT front bumper and hood
Swapped: 2003 JDM ver8, ver6 STi RA gearset, STi helical front LSD, STi 20kg center LSD, Cusco type-RS rear LSD.
Power Mods: 34mm restrictor, custom 3" exhaust
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Bragging rights: 7th overall, 2005 ROTW

Note: It is a rally car after all.

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Old 06-01-2005, 01:40 PM   #4
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AF: I may need to speak with you @ the wikked big meet...

are you going?
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Old 06-01-2005, 02:06 PM   #5
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How much does one need to set aside for this project? I am starting to save for a swap in the BE in about a year I hope. Are most people getting used motors or buying them new from someone? Also anyone know if the stock 5 speed tranny from a BE will bolt up and handle the power?

Just want to start getting info together now.

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Old 06-01-2005, 02:27 PM   #6
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stock BE tranny shoudl be fine unless you drop an STi 2.5 in and go crazy with power mods. The Legacies trannies are supposedly beefier than the WRX.

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Old 06-01-2005, 04:30 PM   #7
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I plan on doing an EJ22T build up after mine is paid off. Will probably be going with EJ25 SOHC heads and a LINK for engine management. I don't have a turbo picked out yet, but as a teaser, I plan on 20+ PSI on the stock transmission with STi (non R/A)5 speed gears.

Now I just need a second job to hurry up the "paying off" process.
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Old 06-01-2005, 04:50 PM   #8
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can i just post my mod list?
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Old 06-01-2005, 05:34 PM   #9
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Car:96 legacy, 2.5 gt
swapped: 95 Sti Ver 2 RA engine/transmission, custom 3 inch exhaust, bunch of other crap



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Old 06-01-2005, 06:11 PM   #10
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AF: I may need to speak with you @ the wikked big meet...

are you going?
Well, I don't know anything about this meet yet.
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Old 06-01-2005, 07:12 PM   #11
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I'm working on a swap for my friends 98 legacy.
2002 WRX motor with 2003 JDM Forester 5 speed.

I hope to have the motor and trany installed tonight.
I'm unfamiliar with the JDM Forrester tranny.

What are it's benefits? Lower gearing?
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Old 06-01-2005, 07:50 PM   #12
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Well some of the gears are different, but that was what came with the motor.
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Old 06-01-2005, 07:58 PM   #13
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You sure it wasn't a Forester turbo motor that came with that Forester tranny?

Cheers,

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Old 06-01-2005, 09:27 PM   #14
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Old 06-01-2005, 11:08 PM   #15
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Well, I don't know anything about this meet yet.
www.subarumeet.com
check it..
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Old 06-01-2005, 11:29 PM   #16
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well I tried to get the motor and trany in, but we had a problem with the axle stubs not staying in the trany.
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Old 06-02-2005, 01:37 AM   #17
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I am also interested in a cost analysis. Is swapping in a newer, more powerful motor going to mean you also have to upgrade CV joints, axles, and diffs, or is swapping in a motor a plug and play affair (ie. drop it in, bolt the stock tranny up, figure out the wiring and you're done)?

I was thinking in a few years I'll probably want a new car, but I love mid nineties styling and unsuspectingly quick cars, and if I can get away with say, a $6k investment into motor/trans (wrx turbo motor), paint, and bushings/suspension, it'd be like having a new car for less. But then I think of a car with 150k miles on it, getting a strong young motor, and I cringe at the thoughts of parts breaking like crazy. Your guys' thoughts?
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Old 06-02-2005, 04:08 AM   #18
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I am also interested in a cost analysis. Is swapping in a newer, more powerful motor going to mean you also have to upgrade CV joints, axles, and diffs, or is swapping in a motor a plug and play affair (ie. drop it in, bolt the stock tranny up, figure out the wiring and you're done)?
We upgraded the internals (ver6 STi RA gearset, uprated diffs) of the stock tranny and otherwise kept the stock running gear (axles, etc.). We're just now (after two rallies, including ROTW) upgrading to a WRX case because of the clutch options available for the WRX that aren't available for the LGT/RS tranny.

I'm not an expert though, I just campaign a legacy rally car.
Short answer, you should probably think about upgrading your gearset but the rest of the '99 2.5GT parts seem to be up to the task. YMMV
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Old 06-02-2005, 08:44 AM   #19
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Engine Management
LinkPlus EMS Plug and Play
w/boost control not currently used, and ambient air sensor
TurboXS MBC
HKS turbo timer

Motor
EJ22T short block w/oil squiters closed deck
Pauter connecting rods
Ceramic/molly coated cast pistons
ARP head studs
JDM V.2 DOHC heads w/~7.8CR
STi timing belt
OE MY98 intake mainfold + TB
Billet fuel rails w/Bocsh 550cc top-feed injectors
PVC vent canister
SYMS radiator cap
HKS filter
*UR underdrive pulley
*255lph fuel pump

Turbo and Exhaust
Garrett t3/t4 custom, oil and water cooled, .57 trim and .63a/r
Tial 35mm wastegate routed down stream on DP
Greddy Type-S BOV
TMIC Spearco core 19*(w)2.5*(d)9*(h)
Borla N/A header
2.25* up-pipe
3*TBE w/3 chamber DynoMax

Drivetrain
OE GT 5 speed 4.11
ACT Stage 2 clutch
SYMS short throw shifter
STi motor mounts
STi tranny mount
RedLine fluid
*lightened flywheel (14lbs)

How much did all this cost you? It's basically the same thing I'm looking to do.
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Old 06-02-2005, 11:53 AM   #20
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How much did all this cost you? It's basically the same thing I'm looking to do.
Its about an 8k set up cuz everything was custom at the time.
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Old 06-02-2005, 10:10 PM   #21
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I am also interested in a cost analysis. Is swapping in a newer, more powerful motor going to mean you also have to upgrade CV joints, axles, and diffs, or is swapping in a motor a plug and play affair (ie. drop it in, bolt the stock tranny up, figure out the wiring and you're done)?

I was thinking in a few years I'll probably want a new car, but I love mid nineties styling and unsuspectingly quick cars, and if I can get away with say, a $6k investment into motor/trans (wrx turbo motor), paint, and bushings/suspension, it'd be like having a new car for less. But then I think of a car with 150k miles on it, getting a strong young motor, and I cringe at the thoughts of parts breaking like crazy. Your guys' thoughts?
The motor I got was a 2004 USDM WRX motor. Only 2000 miles on it. $3k for motor, turbo, ecu, intercooler, complete wiring, wrx fuel pump.

I was going to just use a heavy duty clutch on my Legacy, but the one I ordered from Rallitek was meant for a WRX, so instead of returning it, I figured I'll go with a WRX tranny, it is stronger.

I wish I had the time to learn how to do it myself, but I don't, so factor in the labor, and I'll be right around the $6k mark you've mentioned. As far as the other parts on my car, I've swapped out a lot so most of the "wear" parts on my car are fairly new.
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I am also interested in a cost analysis. Is swapping in a newer, more powerful motor going to mean you also have to upgrade CV joints, axles, and diffs, or is swapping in a motor a plug and play affair (ie. drop it in, bolt the stock tranny up, figure out the wiring and you're done)?

I was thinking in a few years I'll probably want a new car, but I love mid nineties styling and unsuspectingly quick cars, and if I can get away with say, a $6k investment into motor/trans (wrx turbo motor), paint, and bushings/suspension, it'd be like having a new car for less. But then I think of a car with 150k miles on it, getting a strong young motor, and I cringe at the thoughts of parts breaking like crazy. Your guys' thoughts?

Before I started on my swap, my 1995 Sedan had 165k on the clock. Still on stock suspension. (Kyb AGX coming soon). My dad's car had almost 300k on it when he did his swap (1990 Legacy Wagon with Version 2 STI drivetrain).
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Old 06-03-2005, 01:34 AM   #24
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looking good Mike!
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look up xcntrk75. that car is badass. (all but the red anyhow, IM[very]HO. black or dark blue or silver... mmmmm ) $5,000 i think, but thats with all drivetrain bits, and his work.
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