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Old 06-03-2005, 03:56 AM   #26
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I also have a 1994 Camaro with a few minor mods, and they feel nearly identical once under way. I will estimate that the Camaro is putting out around 320-330hp, and the STi most definitely feels on par with it.
Do you mean crank or wheel hp for the camaro? In stock form the STi should kill the Camaro from 0-100. It's never about power. It's all about power to weight.

(OT: you wanna hear something crazy, teh gixxer 1000 this year dyno's at 200 HP! and with a rider it only a little over 400 lbs. )
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Old 06-03-2005, 05:05 AM   #27
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Old 06-03-2005, 11:26 PM   #28
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I did my homework and from the looks of it so did you (you have an STi). I researched the 350Z, RX-8, EVO, Corvette, Mustang, G-35, blah blah blah ... The STi rules, handsdown. If it is making 3HP or 300HP it still kicks the $h!t out of anything I've ever owned, and most everything else out there. Lil bioches who whine about hp and don't pay attention to 1/4, 0-60, etc... are just frustrated with their own LACK of homework. Besides as one poster has said in this thread, dyno numbers vary. Enjoy your car, and "F" anyone who says otherwise!!

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You forgot the EVO8 MR buddy!!!!!! I don't think the it quicks the $hit out of it like you said... and remember the EVO 8 is still a 2.0 liters God knows what would happen if they would make a 2.5 liter version(I don't think is going to happen any time soon)

We are very enthusistic about our US STI but never forget that the Eurpean STI puts 300hp and a 2.0 liter block. I would definetaly not mention that the STI smokes the competition, at least include the EVO into the equation.

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Old 06-03-2005, 11:36 PM   #29
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What's an "STi"?
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Old 06-03-2005, 11:46 PM   #30
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I traded a 2002 1.8T GTI in on my STi. I also have a 1994 Camaro with a few minor mods, and they feel nearly identical once under way. I will estimate that the Camaro is putting out around 320-330hp, and the STi most definitely feels on par with it.

What's really funny is that they both feel very much alike in terms of acceleration, and driveability. I think the reason that I love the STi so much is because it just feels like a Japanese Camaro to me, if that makes any sense. These cars are so much different from eachother, but at the same time, they're so much alike. That's just my opinion, anyway. They're both just as equally satisfying to drive. The STi feels lighter on its feet, but the handling and acceleration characteristics feel very much alike to me. Strange........
That's cool. I had a "bolt-ons" 94 LT1 Z28 and a stock 02 LS1 Z28, and I would say the STi sort of feels like the big V8s because it has so much torque. The LS1 f-body cars are so under-rated. I trapped a tick under 108 in my stock 02. The STi definitely felt a tad slower until I went to Cobb stage2. Now it feels closer up top, and of course, bottom end, the STi owns.
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Old 06-03-2005, 11:48 PM   #31
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What's an "STi"?
I don't know.

What's a clever username?
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Old 06-03-2005, 11:49 PM   #32
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My STi feels a bit faster than the C6 I drove at the GM Autoshow in motion.
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Old 06-03-2005, 11:50 PM   #33
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Though with some bolt-ons I'm sure the C6 would be much faster in a straight line, but hey I didn't buy the STi for that.
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Old 06-03-2005, 11:51 PM   #34
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Okay, don't start rumors.

The Forester XT is not putting out anywhere near 260 hp.
It's closer to 230-235 hp (like it's torque rating).

The Forester XT has a lot more differences than just 2 psi less boost
than the STI engine (it's actually about 3 psi by the way) and
it has different (smaller) turbo, different (smaller) intercooler, and SEVERAL
other differences.
The Legacy GT's version is closer to the STI's engine and boost levels, but still has several differences (turbo/intercooler).

Forester XT's dyno less than what Legacy GT's dyno at and FXT's dyno will be skewed a bit because of it's VERY aggressive 4.44:1 gearing which makes
it appear to have more hp than it really does.

Again, realistically, it's probably putting out 230-235 hp.


Oh, and on topic...don't worry about it, but from what I've seen the STI
IS making the 300 hp Subaru claims.
I'm sure you're right that there are more differences in the Forester than what I had stated, but at the same time, I find it tough to believe that these things are capable of running 13.80s @ nearly 100mph with just 235hp, especially with the aerodynamics of a brick. According to Subaru, the Forester 2.5 XT weighs around 3200-3300 lbs, I believe. It's definitely not all that heavy, but I don't think 235hp is going to power it to high 13/low 14 second 1/4 mile times, even with the 4.44 gear ratio.
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Old 06-03-2005, 11:58 PM   #35
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Do you mean crank or wheel hp for the camaro? In stock form the STi should kill the Camaro from 0-100. It's never about power. It's all about power to weight.

(OT: you wanna hear something crazy, teh gixxer 1000 this year dyno's at 200 HP! and with a rider it only a little over 400 lbs. )
Kickitjp, I'm talking crank hp.

HighSpeedLowDrag, no doubt the LS1 is quite the performer, but not all of them are trapping those types of speeds. My cousin had a 1998 Z28 with an A4, and that thing would've been lucky to break 14.30s; no joke. At the time my 1994 LT1 had an exhaust, intake, and Hyperjunk Power Programmer, and I stomped him. I just think there was a bad batch of LS1s and he got stuck with one of them. Even a slow LS1 will normally run at least a 13.80. I definitely agree with you about the low-end on the STi. It can pull pretty nicely. I love it! The only mod I currently have is the Cobb AccessPORT Stage I program. I'm going to be looking into a turbo-back exhaust pretty soon.
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Old 06-04-2005, 12:00 AM   #36
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edit ^ 2 posts up

Why not? The WRX is 3085 lbs and a LOT less power ~200 whp, so the only thing I see against the Forrester is the aerodynamics which won't account for that much in a drag
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Why not? The WRX is 3085 lbs and a LOT less power ~200 whp, so the only thing I see against the Forrester is the aerodynamics which won't account for that much in a drag
A WRX is rated at 227hp, and as you stated, weighs nearly 3100 lbs. Add another approximate 150-200 lbs to account for the driver.You've now got a 3300 lb vehicle. A stock WRX is lucky to break a 14.40 or 14.50 1/4 mile in bone stock trim. I go to the track quite often, and I rarely see better. In fact, there was a WRX there last week that was running 15.0s all night long.

The Forester is rated at around 3200-3300lbs, then again, add another 150-200lbs for the driver. You're telling me that the Forester is making around 235 hp. With 235 jp, and 3500 lbs (remember the driver), and the aerodynamics of a brick, how are you going to get a 13.8 @ 100mph 1/4 time?

As a baseline, I've got a 1994 LT1 Camaro that had 275hp bone stock, and probably weighed around 3650 lbs with me in it. I was running 13.80s @ 98 mph, and those were GOOD runs. I had a buddy that ran consistent 13.65s @ 104+ with nothing more than a K&N and exhaust in a 1993 Z28 with the M6, but everyone knew that car was a freak.

Now, I can see a Forester getting a great launch because of the awd, but I can't see it hitting 100mph with only 235hp.
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Old 06-04-2005, 12:15 AM   #38
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Please, let's talk whp / torque. # from COBB

WRX = ~ 170 WHP / 174 Torque

Forrester XT = ~ 192 WHP / 219 Torque

140 lbs difference

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=385335

edit: And you can't compare your 4th gen as a 'baseline'...first off, it was VERY underated at 275 horse power...and that's a torque beast...and it's 2wd, meaning less powertrain loss, so you might be looking around 275 WHP which is a hell of a lot.

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Old 06-04-2005, 12:18 AM   #39
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The Forrester does have the 4.44 final drive ,so the acceleration helped out. It is possible to hit 100 trap, but you would have to be a good driver(also very light).
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A WRX is rated at 227hp, and as you stated, weighs nearly 3100 lbs. Add another approximate 150-200 lbs to account for the driver.You've now got a 3300 lb vehicle. A stock WRX is lucky to break a 14.40 or 14.50 1/4 mile in bone stock trim. I go to the track quite often, and I rarely see better. In fact, there was a WRX there last week that was running 15.0s all night long.

The Forester is rated at around 3200-3300lbs, then again, add another 150-200lbs for the driver. You're telling me that the Forester is making around 235 hp. With 235 jp, and 3500 lbs (remember the driver), and the aerodynamics of a brick, how are you going to get a 13.8 @ 100mph 1/4 time?

As a baseline, I've got a 1994 LT1 Camaro that had 275hp bone stock, and probably weighed around 3650 lbs with me in it. I was running 13.80s @ 98 mph, and those were GOOD runs. I had a buddy that ran consistent 13.65s @ 104+ with nothing more than a K&N and exhaust in a 1993 Z28 with the M6, but everyone knew that car was a freak.

Now, I can see a Forester getting a great launch because of the awd, but I can't see it hitting 100mph with only 235hp.
I agrree with what you said but remember, the Forester is geared for lower speed and also the engine is under rated. By the way, yes they tested the Forester in a car magazine and did a 13.8@99 I believe.
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Wait I own an Rx8...


I remember that big fuss. They screwed up bigtime with that cars HP rating.
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I did my homework and from the looks of it so did you (you have an STi). I researched the 350Z, RX-8, EVO, Corvette, Mustang, G-35, blah blah blah ... The STi rules, handsdown. If it is making 3HP or 300HP it still kicks the $h!t out of anything I've ever owned, and most everything else out there. Lil bioches who whine about hp and don't pay attention to 1/4, 0-60, etc... are just frustrated with their own LACK of homework. Besides as one poster has said in this thread, dyno numbers vary. Enjoy your car, and "F" anyone who says otherwise!!

Viva la Subaru !!

Laterzzz

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AMEN! Viva la subaru!
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Wait I own an Rx8...
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I remember that big fuss. They screwed up bigtime with that cars HP rating.
And they srewed up the Miata in 02. It had 15 less hp than originally quoted IIRC.
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