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Old 06-03-2005, 09:22 AM   #1
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Jack sent me a set of springs to test on my '05 and they arrived last night. I am going to get a set of Legacy strut bearing caps and try the GR2 strut/shock setup. Hopefully all will bolt up without issue. I'll take lots of picts throughout the process and I'll update this thread.
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Old 06-03-2005, 03:47 PM   #2
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sounds pretty sweet! how much will it cost for all of that?
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Old 06-03-2005, 04:54 PM   #3
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02_Forester - Looking forward to seeing what you think Those prototype ones are for one height; and for further lowering we've got another set

So for those who're interested; there'll be two different height of lowering springs for the Baja
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Old 06-04-2005, 08:22 AM   #4
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What kind of price are we looking at, and how much lower?
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Old 06-06-2005, 01:52 PM   #5
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I'm interested as well. I'm pretty satisfied with the Baja, but disapointed they increased the height for '05. They went the wrong way!!! What are the specifications for the Ion springs? How much will they lower a '05? Is there anything else that is needed to install these springs (strut tops, camber kit, etc?)
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Old 06-06-2005, 02:08 PM   #6
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I picked up a salvage set of Legacy front struts and Outback rear shocks (a little longer than a reg. Legacy). The GR2s should be here Wed. I don't know if I'll have a chance to get them installed this week or not and next week we are on an out of town vacation.

I'm going to use Legacy strut bearing caps. I'll also look to see if there is a difference with the Baja caps vs the Legacy.

The plan is to have the GR2 setup complete and together and then just drop out the stock '05 setup without disassembling.

I'll also have the Legacy front springs (not sure if which model Legacy) and the Outback rear springs to possibly use as a comparison.
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Old 06-06-2005, 03:13 PM   #7
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bajatuner - The amount of lowering is totally dependant on which MY you have of the Baja. The '05s have a higher ride height, so the lowering won't be as much as an 03 or 04. The price will be the same as our Legacy springs; the NASIOC member discounted price is $375US + shipping. (MSRP $449US +shipping). This is for both set-ups, the "sport" version should be ~1.5" lower and the "Super Sport" should be close to 2.3" lower overall. Ideally they should be matched with better struts, the Super Sports will require better struts.

BoostedBaja - A camber kit will not be necessary. Its always nice to have a set of spare strut tops etc available so that the springs etc can be fully assembled for a direct swap over.

02_Forester - Looking forward to see how things go. You guys don't have air suspension in the rear right?
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Old 06-06-2005, 09:20 PM   #8
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air suspension like the XT6? no. I'm thinking a combination of body spacers combined with the Outback setup is giving the '05s the additional inch. I'm itching to get these installed but with work and the wife/pack for vacation, not sure if I can squeeze it in this week.
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Old 06-08-2005, 10:09 AM   #9
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Spoke with my dealer's parts department this morning.

I confirmed via part numbers:
Legacy, Outback & Baja have the same front and rear caps
Front: 20320AA100
Rear: 20370AE00A

There are a numerous spring part numbers for all the Legacy based cars. For the 2005 Baja:

Factory Front Springs
"Baja S/S" -- automatic maybe?
20330AE64A - Right
20330AE66A - Left

"Baja MT"
20330AE63A - Right
20330AE64A - Left

Factory Rear Springs:
20380AE50A - Right & Left
20380AE52A - Right & Left for Leather Package (CO & U4)

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Old 06-08-2005, 08:19 PM   #10
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BoostedBaja - A camber kit will not be necessary. Its always nice to have a set of spare strut tops etc available so that the springs etc can be fully assembled for a direct swap over.
Good news in regards to the camber kit. In any event any time you install lowering springs/struts it is highly recommended to also have a 4 wheel alignment. My concern was that with the big drop that the camber would not have enough camber adjustment to account for the lowering of the car.

So, youíre suggesting that rather than taking the time to disassemble the stock units, that we go out and buy new strut assemblies and tops? I haven't looked at the suspension yet, but I am guessing that the strut bodies take inserts? I have the tools so I don't understand what you mean by direct swap over.... I mean... yeah... it would be nice to have two sets of struts and springs ready to toss in at will but economics says itís worth the time to just break down the OEM guys. Not to mention you would still have the alignment issues.

Are the springs in stock and ready to ship?

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Spoke with my dealer's parts department this morning.
Good information, thanks for figuring this out... I guess along with the strut tops you are acquiring the strut bodies as well so you can have the two complete setups like Ion is speaking of?

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Old 06-08-2005, 09:14 PM   #11
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The bajas struts are one unit. THey are not the rebuildable type with inserts. If you wanted to use an insert youde have to cut the top off of the strut, put a new insert in and weld them back together.

This being said, the strut/shock is one unit, then the spring goes over it. Then all you need is the top hat section and the rubber strut top/mount then the nut to hold it all together.
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Old 06-08-2005, 09:19 PM   #12
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The bajas struts are one unit. THey are not the rebuildable type with inserts. If you wanted to use an insert youde have to cut the top off of the strut, put a new insert in and weld them back together.

This being said, the strut/shock is one unit, then the spring goes over it. Then all you need is the top hat section and the rubber strut top/mount then the nut to hold it all together.
Thanks Hawk! It all makes sense now! Moving onto the next question: What struts are available other than the AGX? I am partial to Illuminas. I currently run them with H&R springs on my MR2.
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Old 06-08-2005, 09:42 PM   #13
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I picked up a set of used front struts and rear shocks to have on hand, they were cheap from the salvage yard so I grabbed them. I could use the Subaru springs off of those as an additional comparison but I'm hopefully the ION "mild" setup will do the trick. If not, I'll try their second, more lower springs.

I went with the GR2s but I'll see how they with the ION springs. The JIC flta2 coilovers are another option.

It is good to know that there is nothing unique with regard to the Baja caps both front and rear, standard Legacy parts.
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Old 06-08-2005, 10:01 PM   #14
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It is good to know that there is nothing unique with regard to the Baja caps both front and rear, standard Legacy parts.
THats very good to know. You gotta love Subaru for their Lego approach to buiding cars.
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Old 06-08-2005, 10:26 PM   #15
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BoostedBaja - We've got both the Sport version and the Super Sport versions in stock shortly. It's recommend to go with the GR2's at a minimum for our Super Sport versions, as they'll lower the '05 Baja ALOT

02_Forester - As per your aspirations of a road hugging Baja, I think after testing out the prototype set of the Sports, you'll want to get the Super Sports.
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Old 06-08-2005, 10:52 PM   #16
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BoostedBaja - We've got both the Sport version and the Super Sport versions in stock shortly. It's recommend to go with the GR2's at a minimum for our Super Sport versions, as they'll lower the '05 Baja ALOT
Do you resell the GR2's? If so what is the package deal for us NASIOC members? To trump it up some, are you a whiteline dealer? If so, what can you do on a Spring/Strut/rear Swaybar pkg? If you would perfer, we can take this offline.

boostedbaja@crimsonmkii.net

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Old 06-09-2005, 07:15 AM   #17
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02_Forester - As per your aspirations of a road hugging Baja, I think after testing out the prototype set of the Sports, you'll want to get the Super Sports.

-- you are going to get me into divorse court ... I guess thats a bad thing.
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Old 06-09-2005, 02:43 PM   #18
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BoostedBaja - It's actually cheaper for guys in the US to pick up the GR2's from Tire Rack directly. It would cost more coming from us b/c it'd cross the boarder twice.

We don't touch Whiteline stuff, too many bad experience with our local customers and Whiteline. We design our own suspension and have it manufactured for us.

02_Forester - As per our conversation, if you're happy w/ the prototype Sport versions, then you're more then welcome to purchase 'em Or you could also sell 'em to a fellow member to get the Super Sports
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Old 06-12-2005, 04:00 AM   #19
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The GR2s haven't arrived yet. Tracking info now says the 16th, so hopefully when I get back they will be waiting here along with the exhaust system. Next weekend could be really busy.
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Old 07-08-2005, 06:06 PM   #20
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A little closer to the Earth:




A few more pictures are here

The fronts are a little high. I spoke with Jack and I think he may have a solution. I really appreciate Jack's enthusiasm and great customer service.

I also want to thank Dan at Mach V, a very nice facility and a very comfortable couch . Mach V is definately a one stop shop with an AWD dyno. I am looking forward to returning very soon. Hopefully for more than just the suspension.
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Old 07-08-2005, 06:19 PM   #21
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that thing looks great lowered!
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Old 07-08-2005, 07:21 PM   #22
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Did i miss something? Where is everyone getting the 05 ride height from? Looking at my 04 & 05 brochures they have the same height 8.4 What is the 05 height that everyone thinks it has?
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Old 07-09-2005, 09:06 AM   #23
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A little closer to the Earth:
A few more pictures are here

The fronts are a little high. I spoke with Jack and I think he may have a solution. I really appreciate Jack's enthusiasm and great customer service.

I also want to thank Dan at Mach V, a very nice facility and a very comfortable couch . Mach V is definately a one stop shop with an AWD dyno. I am looking forward to returning very soon. Hopefully for more than just the suspension.
Looks pretty slick, I can't wait to get some cash together now.
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02_Forester - lookin' good
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Old 07-11-2005, 06:02 PM   #25
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02_Forester nice comparo pics! Lookin great. Mucho gracias for the updates!
ajabobrut, I believe the 04s and 05s are up a bit from the 03s. I can attest the 04 is higher than the 03s, we've had both. But, i could be wrong about the 05.
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