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Old 06-10-2005, 09:58 AM   #1
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Default Wagon Owners - Prodrive Generic or Eibach Wagon Specific Springs?

I've searched extensively and it seems like Eibach ProKit wagon specific spring reviews and pictures are pretty scarce. I had ProKits on my RS with AGXs and was pretty happy with them. Lots of people have the Prodrives on their wagons and most seem to really like them. Any problems with booty sag from the fact that the Prodrives are not specifically made for the extra rear weight of the wagon?

I will be running these with the stock struts (at least initially). Daily driver, no autocross, no track time. Here is the info that I have.

Eibachs: Wagon Specific
Drop: 1.1" front and rear

Prodrive: Sedan or Wagon
Drop: 20mm (appx. .75") front and rear

Spring rates should be comparable, correct? Prodrive closely guards their rates, but it should be close.

Any opinions? The Eibachs are going to be about $60-$80 less. Thanks!

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Old 06-10-2005, 11:31 AM   #2
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WWWAAAAAHHHHHOOOOO!!! *sniff, sniff, sniff, lick, lick, lick* Nuthin!



Anyone? I'm hoping to place an order yet today...

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Old 06-10-2005, 11:50 AM   #3
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I have the wagon specific eibachs on stock struts. I've had them on about a year and I love them.

People talk about the drop being uneven (lower in the rear than front) and it is, but it's not nearly as noticeable as people make it out to be. It's not even an issue, as the car appears "nearly" level.

Ride quality after 10k or so miles has been great. They're progressive so the ride if pretty soft when you're cruising, but dig into some hard corners and a lot of the stock body roll you'll find has been eliminated.

Definitely a worthwhile suspension option IMO especially if you plan to stay on stock struts for a while.
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Old 06-10-2005, 12:08 PM   #4
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I have Prodrives on my wagon. They are also 'nearly level'. A WRX would be very level because of the added weight in the front.

The Prodrives will probably feel a bit stiffer because they are linear, not progressive; they will also, by most accounts, handle better, though you might not notice if you don't 'hammer'.

Basically, if handling is important, get the Prodrives. They are still very comfortable.
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Old 06-10-2005, 12:09 PM   #5
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BTW, supposedly the Prodrives are 180fr/180rr.
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Old 06-10-2005, 12:35 PM   #6
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I'm most concerned about the even drop and not having a saggy rear. I've seen some pics of wagons that look pretty bad. The Prodrives look to be even on the wagons in the pics that I have seen and I have not come up with any pics of ProKits on a wagon.

I'm honestly never going to push the car hard enough on the street to appreciate the small difference in handling and my autocrossing days are behind me for now. Thanks for the replies...

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Old 06-10-2005, 12:46 PM   #7
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here's a pic of my wagon with the wagon specific pro-kit. Knowing the springs were designed to handle the extra weight in the rear is nice for peace of mind.

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Old 06-10-2005, 01:02 PM   #8
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Where is everybody getting good deals on springs?
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Old 06-10-2005, 01:19 PM   #9
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The cheapest that I've found Prodrives from is at mauromotorsports. $279.99 shipped. Prodrive is price-controlled so there are no real deals out there. I haven't really investigated the Eibachs yet. Everyone and their brother sells Teins, just look at the Vendor For Sale forum...

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Old 06-10-2005, 01:22 PM   #10
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here's a pic of my wagon with the wagon specific pro-kit. Knowing the springs were designed to handle the extra weight in the rear is nice for peace of mind.
The angle is weirding me out a bit. Do you have any level shots of your car? I guess that I could always tilt my monitor, but then everyone here at the office would look at me funny...

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Old 06-10-2005, 04:12 PM   #11
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sorry I don't have any others from the side that really show the drop. That'll have to do for now until I get some more pictures.
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Old 06-10-2005, 05:41 PM   #12
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Does Eibach make a pro-kit for 04+ WRX wagons? The only one I see is made for 02-03 WRX wagons, part# 7711.140. Can someone point to newer ones if they are available?
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Old 06-10-2005, 05:44 PM   #13
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Nevermind, found them. The part number is 7715-140
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BTW, supposedly the Prodrives are 180fr/180rr.
That's just somebody's guesstimate. Prodrive doesn't publish their spring rates.
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BTW, supposedly the Prodrives are 180fr/180rr.
That's just somebody's guesstimate. Prodrive doesn't publish their spring rates.
thats why i said supposedly. and wouldn you say that that feels about right?
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Eibach if you're concerned about ride comfort and appearance - Prodrive if you'd like a little stiffer, performance oriented ride.
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and wouldn you say that that feels about right?
I think 180-185 is about right for the fronts, but I don't think they are that stiff in the rear. Most springs for the Impreza are 10-20% softer in the rear.
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and wouldn you say that that feels about right?
I think 180-185 is about right for the fronts, but I don't think they are that stiff in the rear. Most springs for the Impreza are 10-20% softer in the rear.
he they were 180 in the rear, would that make a car an over steering monster?
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I remember reading somewhere that the Prodrives were around 215f/195r for spring rates.
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Here's my 02 w/ the eibachs on kyb struts :

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Does Eibach make a pro-kit for 04+ WRX wagons? The only one I see is made for 02-03 WRX wagons, part# 7711.140. Can someone point to newer ones if they are available?

a lot of the 04 guys are getting the SPT STi springs from Subaru
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made specifically for the wagon

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Prokit is a bit soft. Really, not much of an improvement over stock.
Most guys i know with the prokit swap it out within a year....

take ya time, do some research before buying.
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That's just somebody's guesstimate. Prodrive doesn't publish their spring rates.
They don't publish them, but someone tested them 175/175 this is the v7 ones- it's very possible the v8 ones are stiffer as the v8's got a revalving - stiffer. Until someone tests them only guess work on the v8's.

The STi WRX wagon springs are definitely a viable option, not sure how they are on oe struts though.
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Jamie (or anyone else), all I would need to make the 04 STi wagon springs work on my 02 wagon would be 04 strut tops, correct?
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I'm looking for springs that will fit my '02 Wagon with 18" wheels and tires. Any suggestions?
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Jamie (or anyone else), all I would need to make the 04 STi wagon springs work on my 02 wagon would be 04 strut tops, correct?

yep... 04 rear tops are what you need to make them work on the 02/03's

i know there are guys here who've done the swap
search? and pm em with questions maybe?

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