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Old 06-06-2005, 09:31 PM   #1
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Default Best Wax/Sealant for Dark Cars

I've recently purchased Klasse all in one polish, P21S Shampoo, and some wheel wax, but I'm torn about what wax/sealant to use. Anyone prefer one of the below products over the other:

Poorboys EX Sealant w/carnuba
Natty's Paste Wax
Four Star UPP
Meguiars #16 (or the newer #26)
Meguiars NXT Paste Wax
Klasse High Gloss Sealant Glaze

I have a black car, and I live in Massachusetts, so that might help you understand what I'm looking for.

Thanks everyone, looking forward to seeing what you think so I can finally decide what to buy!
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Old 06-06-2005, 09:39 PM   #2
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I used Klasse products on my Black WRX when I had it:



That picture was taken in Everett, Ma when I lived there about 1.5 yrs ago.
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Old 06-06-2005, 09:43 PM   #3
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Also used them on my Silver 2001 Subaru now:






I still haven't put the sealant on though. Need to wash the car again after todays weather.

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Old 06-06-2005, 09:54 PM   #4
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So are those results simply with the all in one polish? Do you use the Klasse polish followed by the Klasse sealant? I've heard that with black that carnuba will look the best, so i was leaning towards poorboys XP or Natty's for my wax/sealant.
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Old 06-06-2005, 10:05 PM   #5
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Those pictures are of the Klasse All in one w/o the sealant glaze.

Here are some good tips on how to apply the products:
http://www.properautocare.com/klasapguid.html

If you check out http://www.autopia-carcare.com/ for some more tips. I have also heard Klasse All-in-one with a carnuba wax (such as P21S). Here is a direct link to that recommendation:

http://www.autopia-carcare.com/inf-perfect.html

See #5 & #6.

On my silver car above I used Meguiars Swirl Remover and followed with the Klasse All in one. I plan to add the Klasse High Gloss sealant when I have the time (and weather) to wash the car.

You can see more pictures of the results on the Silver car here:
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Old 06-06-2005, 10:10 PM   #6
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What do you prefer...a carnauba or a paint sealant? For carnauba, I use P21s or Zymol Japon...for a sealant, Klasse HGSG or Blackfire. I own a large selection
If you already have Klasse AIO, why not try their HGSG? It's a great combo, and what I used on my old nighthawk black pearl Prelude. It faired far better than the P21s during our MA winters with all that salt!
I currently have an aspen white WRX, so I just stick with acrylic sealants(Blackfire) rather than use a carnauba wax...I'll never get that wet depth like a black car. If you decide on a sealant, get yourself some Blackfire or Menzerna gloss detail spray. It'll help upkeep the sealant.
Poorboy's...I'll pass.
Good luck!

EDIT: I've never applied Klasse AIO without HGSG or P21s, however Paultg's wagon looked pretty good without it.

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Old 06-06-2005, 10:11 PM   #7
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Yeah, I use the Klasse stuff because it really holds up well with the harsh New England winters we have. It seems much more durable than anything else I've used, and it is one of the easiest products I have ever used which is always a plus.

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Old 06-06-2005, 10:17 PM   #8
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you could use both klasse products, then follow with a nice carnauba (I prefer pinnacle souveran). this will give you good protection and really bring out the depth in black paint.
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Old 06-06-2005, 10:17 PM   #9
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poorboys ex-p with carnuaba works best for me

best glow, best deep shine

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Old 06-06-2005, 11:54 PM   #10
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So what is the advantage of a sealant vs. a carnuba wax? I'm thinking the sealant will last longer.

I was originally just going to purchase the Klasse High Gloss Sealant (to use w/the aio), but I thought carnuba might be better on black, so I was leaning towards a straight carnuba like p21s, Meguiars #16, or the poorboy's EX w/carnuba.

Should I just go with all Klasse products, or will a carnuba product be better after the aio w/ a black car?

I'm hoping this post will help everyone that has a dark suby!
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Old 06-07-2005, 12:04 AM   #11
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Collinite baby :http://www.collinite.com/auto.htm check out the #476s Super Doublecoat Auto Wax. I use that and the #885 Paste Fleetwax. Its the same exactly the same wax. . but you get more per can. Def check out their prducts.Been using for over 20+years. Made in Utica ,NY.
I enjoy waxing my STi. Its super easy to apply.Holds up to Upstate NY winters worth of salt and car washes and still beads. Nothing sticks.
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Old 06-07-2005, 12:18 AM   #12
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Went to Collinite site...seems like good stuff. My folks are from Rochester so what you have said means this is really good wax. About how long do your cars last before rust starts to appear? And, how do I order it?
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Old 06-07-2005, 12:28 AM   #13
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Old 06-07-2005, 12:34 AM   #14
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Old 06-07-2005, 11:26 AM   #15
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On black, Carnauba will generally look better as it will tend to give you a "deeper" shine. I've always used synthetics (sealants) since I want maximum durability during the winter months. Be aware, though, that even the most durable synthetics will not last an entire New England winter if your car is exposed to the elements all day.

Personally, I really like the new Z2Pro/Z8 combo from Zaino. It's a definite leap over the old Z2 or Z5, at least appearance-wise.
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Old 06-07-2005, 11:45 AM   #16
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Zymol Destiny - if you can afford it.
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Old 06-07-2005, 12:13 PM   #17
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On black, Carnauba will generally look better as it will tend to give you a "deeper" shine. I've always used synthetics (sealants) since I want maximum durability during the winter months. Be aware, though, that even the most durable synthetics will not last an entire New England winter if your car is exposed to the elements all day.
What he said ^^. You should ask yourself if you want max appearance or would you be willing to sacrifice some for durability. Like Slowpoke I chose durability(but my car is also white), the winters here would whoop the carnauba in a week, but since it's spring that's moot. If you can spare the cash, why not use carnauba in the the spring/summer and sealants in the fall/winter? P21s is $29.95 and Klasse HGSG $17.95 here: http://www.sportscarcare.com/scc/cat...asp?Category=8.

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Personally, I really like the new Z2Pro/Z8 combo from Zaino. It's a definite leap over the old Z2 or Z5, at least appearance-wise.
But Zaino is a PITA to apply...it's such a lengthy process. I don't know why anyone would want to spend all that time for an above average shine(IMHO).
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The only reason I avoid the carnuba stuff is because I've read it is difficult to apply/remove, I know it doesn't last as long, and to be honest I was pretty satified with just the AIO results.

I don't have a much time anymore to spend on this like I'd want to, so products that do what I consider excellent and are easy to apply/remove keeps me happy. Neither my WRX or my Subaru L are show car material, they sit in a lot all day waiting for some jackass to hit them with a door.

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Old 06-07-2005, 01:32 PM   #19
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But Zaino is a PITA to apply...it's such a lengthy process. I don't know why anyone would want to spend all that time for an above average shine(IMHO).
Actually, not really. Zaino goes on and off pretty easily by hand. As far as time, one zaino application takes me less than an hour, and that includes using the Z6 "gloss enhancer" spray on the whole car before and after, plus the beer I drink while waiting for Z to dry.
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Paultg: quality carnauba paste wax glides right on and buffs out easily, definitely no elbow grease needed...probably just a few more wipes compared to AIO in my experience.

Slowpoke: i assumed you followed Zaino's process for multiple coats...that 24hr between Z2 coats is just crazy talk. my buddy uses Zaino on his RX300(follows the application guide to the T)...doesn't use it for the entire weekend. he ends up asking me for rides and i just tell him to take a cab
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Old 06-07-2005, 03:19 PM   #21
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ok I resesited but I'll jump in

Zanio- I don't use it but if you buck up for the ZFX you can do MANY coats in one day ..

p21s is = to S100 which is $10 cheeper and you can find it at any harley store.

Collinite is the bomb ..but there is better looking waxes if you have an eye if not it rocks...

PREP is the improant thing here if you don't do the base work NOTHING will look good..

Clay, polish, the Sealant or Nuba
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ok I resesited but I'll jump in

p21s is = to S100 which is $10 cheeper and you can find it at any harley store.

PREP is the improant thing here if you don't do the base work NOTHING will look good..

Clay, polish, the Sealant or Nuba
ah yes, prep...don't skimp on it

There's supposedly a difference between P21s and S100. From what I understand, there's a higher percentage of ivory carnauba vs yellow carnauba in P21s than S100, hence the price difference.
ivory>yellow carnauba.

EDIT: but the manufacturer hasn't confirmed this I don't think. Last time I checked out S100 it was more yellow than P21s, and the texture is supposedly different. Ah them marketing geniuses!

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Old 06-07-2005, 06:11 PM   #23
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S-100 has FLEXING ajents also......who knows... but from my sorces and someone else who sell both i beleive (vendor on this board) from a thread two monthes ago they are the same..
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I think I am gonna go with the Collinite. I will definitely sacrifice some shine for protection...and ADR's still looks pretty shiny I have been using NXT, but it doesn't seem to last very long and it leaves a residue. I have taken very good care of the car so far...the day I got it I washed it and put two coats of wax on it. I have probably re-applied about five to seven times in the three months I have had it...all with Meguires NXT or Gold Class. Will I still need to clay bar it? Does clay take off a thin layer like polish does? Suggestions?
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Waxing more than once a month is really unnecessary, especially considering that you live in AZ. Clay bar is definetely the way to go, as it removes paint contaminants, but only needs to be done every 6 months or so. It is a synthetic clay that bonds to all the grime on your paint so it is really smooth. Clay shouldnt remove any paint, just make sure to keep it good an lubed. This is my first clay on the WRX and I bought the Mothers California Gold Kit cause it was on sale.

Use the Klasse AIO on both your rims and car, the type of wax I guess is a personal choice. I went with the P21 because it came in a great kit from Autogeek. The nice thing about carnubas is that you can layer them up pretty thick and then go back and apply refresh coats every month or so. I am truly amazed at the way some of these new products have performed, go read around Autopia forums for a while

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