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Old 05-10-2001, 01:52 PM   #1
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Post whats your opinions on light bar and extra lighting?

ive got some extra money (finally!) and im prolly gonna get a light bar something like this:

<IMG SRC="http://www.rallispec.com/Images/lightbar1.jpg" border=0>

thats the bar from rallispec, but its freakin 250 clams.. i dont know if i wanna pay that for a simple light bar like that. anyone know of any cheaper bars like this anywhere else?

also, what is your opinions on the lighting available there at rallispec.. heres a link. lights

im looking for something pretty bright, but i dont wanna spend a arm & a leg. i was thinking the RS711 looks pretty good. any opinions on lighting would be great as well. thanks gang
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Old 05-10-2001, 04:26 PM   #2
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why does you want lights!? are you SUPER RALLYE RACER!? OR WAHT!?

if yuo are rallye rcer then you sheould get RALLIART EVO 7 light bar adn modify it to fit on IMPREZA (C) then you will be UNDEAFEATABLE@

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Old 05-10-2001, 05:24 PM   #3
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Dunno about everyone else... and i hate using the "r" word... but this looks pretty ricey to me. Your car isnt a rally car, and it doesnt need the big ass rally lamps on it... spend your 250 on something better.

BTW, now that i'm whining about useless rally mods on non-rally cars... whats the attraction to putting that massive 22B wing on RS's? Makes us look just as bad as the Hondas and Acuras rolling out there with the quadruple decker wings.
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Old 05-10-2001, 05:25 PM   #4
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Light is your friend on lonely mountain roads! A few people I know have Hella 500s on street cars and they seem to work just fine. However, most TSD prepared cars I have seen use 2 sets of lights, and many "real" rally cars have enough lights to warm the course workers on those cold rallies. Rallispec has said/written their light bar was built with the TSD rallier in mind, so it is fantastic for street use.

Edit: TSD = Time/Speed/Distance road rally

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Old 05-10-2001, 05:26 PM   #5
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Stock fog lights are enough IMO. I actually got high beamed for using my fogs. Can you really use that kind of thing on the street??
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Old 05-10-2001, 05:29 PM   #6
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I wouldn't want those 8 lights shining behind me at night! And I thought SUVs and trucks were bad. I can't imagine that
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Old 05-10-2001, 05:35 PM   #7
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IMO better to replace your stock fogs with some real driving lights. That will give plenty of light 99% of the time. If you need more than that occasionally, you can use a removable light bar with a couple of big Hellas. There are much subtler ways to rig a light bar so that all you see when it's off are a couple of tabs sticking through or under the grill.
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Old 05-10-2001, 05:37 PM   #8
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I was thinking, "Well, if he were in Texas..." then I noticed he actually was... so i'll complete my thought.

"If he were in Texas, it'd be just his luck that the guy he's crusing behind with the fogs on would pull out a gun and shoot them out!"
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Old 05-10-2001, 06:10 PM   #9
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Wadda ya mean hellas are excessive on a street driven car And, incidentally, I do navex rally so they aren't just for show.
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Old 05-10-2001, 06:31 PM   #10
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first, I ROBOT you can bite me. you and all you kind can bite me. dont post here.. go away.

to the rest of you im not gonna cruise down the freeway with 8 lights'a blaring. that would be illegal, and i would deserve several tickets. the headlights (not headlights + fogs) work just fine for driving down the road.

im doing this for night time dirt road adventures and rally events. not all of us buy a scooby to cruise on the road
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Old 05-10-2001, 06:34 PM   #11
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ps.. direwlf.. that kicks @ss
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Old 05-10-2001, 07:51 PM   #12
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Damon,

Don't listen to that Hoduh kid. I have two Hella 500's on my RS and I love them! I have my first night rally coming up next weekend on dirt and gravel roads and I'm sure glad that I have extra light to help me out. I personaly would not get the light bar (too damn expensive). If you want, take a look at my last two pics in the members area to see how I mounted my Hellas.

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Old 05-10-2001, 08:02 PM   #13
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And a piece of advice from someone with the rallispec bar, make sure you have something to protect the bumper cover under where the mount that goes behind the grill goes. its beat the hell out of my paint. Incidentally, those lights are Hella Rallye 4000s. 100W each. Also 9" (!) across

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Old 05-10-2001, 08:11 PM   #14
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direwlf,

I have the Rallispec bar with a pair of hella 4000s. Are you using an extra support since you have 2 sets of 4000s? One set seems to put a lot of strain on the bar that bolts at the radiator.

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Old 05-10-2001, 08:22 PM   #15
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Give folks some credit; I doubt people are going to be driving around with these lights blaring into someone's rearview mirror.

I have a set of Hella 500s mounted on my RS, and they have come in handy a few times. Like those times when you're on a road that has no lights and no houses giving off light and you want to see what's more than 30 feet ahead of you. Brights + Hellas = pretty darn good.
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Old 05-10-2001, 08:34 PM   #16
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Damon,

Why do you want to spend $1000 for something you will use just a few times a year? Why not better suspension? (I don't know if you have that already)

Sorry but having that many lights is way too much. You know how you laugh at hondas when they put stickers all over their car and some stupid wing to look like a racecar?Well, people will laugh at you the same way by trying to be a rally car. I don't have a problem if you buy them but take them off when you aren't using them, but you know you would never do that.

Also, just because you own a subaru and subaru's main racing is rally it doesn't mean EVERYONE must rally their subaru. My WRX will never go offroad (other than dirt driveways and such). I will track it and have already auto xed it though. I just don't like rallies. ( I don't know if I took your last statement the way you meant it)
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Old 05-10-2001, 08:51 PM   #17
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"first, I ROBOT you can bite me. you and all you kind can bite me."
OH OK I CAN "BITE" YOU!! AND ALL MY KIND?! WHAT, YOU NO LIKE ROBOTS?! Well I say THIS, kinds texas gentleman, NO THANKS SIR!! Whatever BITING games yuo liek to play in teh texas forest in yuor supar "LIGHTS BARS EXTRAVAGANSA" are YUOR gaems alone!!
and if I DID BYTE YOU, (ha BYTE BEACUSE I AM A ROBOT) then my ROBOT TEETHS would BREAK YOUR PUNY BONES INTO DUST THEN I WOULD STEAL YOU SUPER SUPER RACING RALLYE CAR.@
and drives in thru teh texan forest and crashes it into yuor house becuase yuor light bar sucks and i could not see good becuase it was too dark BEACUSE YUOR LIGHT BAR SUCKSE!!
hoho ho
me and all my kind... HO HO HO what a perfectly obtuse texas type thing to say.


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2. RALLISEPC EVO 7 light bar !!!!!! (you can steal one from the argentine rally, all teh cars crahsed and teh parts flies everywhere)
3. i forget

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Old 05-10-2001, 09:05 PM   #18
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3. Spell Check?
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Hey, I wonder if this is some kind of sick joke? Apparently, he thinks this a character chat of some kind

Flashboy: I've got it bolted in at the top and the two points at the bottom as well. I've got my skid plate bolted in between the bar and the support.

Akiata: Well, thank you for making it clear that we are all a bunch of rally racing automatons, incapable of forming an original thought without external guidance. I must have started rallying when I got my subaru, and I'm trying to turn my car into some kind of rally poseur. I think not. I've enjoyed watching rallies and had thought about trying them out for a good while before I got my subie, and I'm not putting that light bar on just because I am trying to copy "the rally look". My car is my daily driver as well as my auto-x and rally machine. I do enough driving at night on very sparsely populated roads, where the deer and the antelope play, that I feel that leaving the light bar mounted 24/7 just so it is available when I need it is cheap insurance. Good lighting is absolutely essential for navex rallying, and the fact that it is fully functional the rest of the time was big factor in me deciding to get the lights instead of some suspension work, or power adders. Yes, the lights were expensive, but as far as i am concerned, it was money well spent. And besides, suspension won't help you if you don't know how to drive well

MagicMT: Who says we use them all the time? Give us some credit. I, for one, do not use the pencil beams on the top rack at night on the highway at all, and never use the lights on a main highway. The back roads are where those lights are used, and I turn em off as fast as I can when I see other drivers approaching. I know how it annoys me when people leave there high beams on, and at 100W, those hellas are several orders of magnitude worse.
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Old 05-10-2001, 09:30 PM   #20
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<IMG SRC="http://www.remarcable.net/misc/legacy_outback/mods/hella/lights-on-at-night.jpg" border=0>

I use 'em offroad and rural roads at night where there is no traffic.

They are also fun to use instead of hi-beams to get left-lane hogs over... but I keep the rock shields on most of the time so I can't do this.

(Oh, BTW Hella FF100s)

(edit: hmmm HTML IMG tags aren't working, lets try this UBB crap)

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Old 05-10-2001, 09:46 PM   #21
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Mr direwlf,

I was not directing that at you. It was for Damon who said this:
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What I got out of it was if you own a subaru you are a poser if you don't "rally" your car.

Like I said, I think its cool to have more lighting when you need it but it does not need to be on there all the time. Even the rally cars take the extra lights off during the day.

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If you don't know how to drive your car you shouldn't be driving your car fast to begin with.

BTW, better suspension WILL help you if properly set up. It makes your car handle better.


I was not attacking anyone, just saying we as subaru owners are not better than honda or toyota owners. So putting a big wing on a subaru is just as bad as putting a big wing on a honda. When pics of subarus with stickers all over them are up on the board, everyone says how cool they look but then if someone puts up a pic of a honda with stickers they make fun of them.
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Old 05-10-2001, 09:58 PM   #22
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Well, I apologize if I came across a little strong, and I misinterpreted what you had said. Seems like the light bar has been more trouble than it was worth. I do use it a lot, so it was more than worth the effort, but it seems so many people seem to think it is only there for looks or some knee-jerk vengance lighting when someone doesn't turn off their highs, which just isn't the case. And hey, its your car. I honestly don't know when or why I started to care so much about what other poeple think, but it begins to wear after awhile You don't want to rally it, thats your business. I'm completely cool with that. Rallying isn't for everyone, just like auto-x and road race isn't for everyone either. But lets face it, this is the image subaru has built up for themselves through some not terribly subtle, nor clever marketing. And I think you have completely missed my point about suspension setup. Everybody here knows what a suspension upgrade does, we're not a bunch of raw newbies. I drive really hard on the street, and am very good for how hard I drive, hard but safe. However the auto-x course is another matter entirely. What works for hard driving on the street just isn't effective on an auto-x course and vice versa. Becoming a good competition driver isn't something you are born with (or not much, at any rate), and suspension isn't a magic bullet that will instantly turn you into Walter Rohrl. I'm sure Colin McRae or Bob Bondurant were probably born with steering wheels in there hands, but there is no substitution for practice. Talking about it is one thing, but the race track is absolutely unforgiving and absolutely no one can actually "tell" you how to drive well. You have to get out and do it. Suspension setup doesn't matter worth a hill of beans if you aren't going to take advantage of it by driving to the limits (both yours and your cars). I could go and blow $3k US on a DMS suspension set up right now, install it, and still find I can't drive worth anything. A good suspension does not a fast car make. It all comes back to the seat/steering wheel interface

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Old 05-10-2001, 10:20 PM   #23
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Old 05-11-2001, 02:55 AM   #24
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MOST LOGICAL SIR DIREWOLF, WISE WORDS FROM A WISE MAN!@!
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Old 05-11-2001, 05:24 AM   #25
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i usually don't get in the middle of these little bouts between people, but i feel i should just put a little comment in. from what i read, I ROBOT in his first post seemed to have a perfectly legit post. he was asking if you were a rally racer (which i would assume you would be being you are getting the lights) and then said that if you were he suggested a certain bar to get. didn't seem to bad to me.
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