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Old 06-13-2005, 08:32 PM   #1
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I just test drove the WRX wagon and the Legacy GT. I love the extra room, hate the extra frufru.

Is there a way to get the factory sunroof WITHOUT the package that requires leather interior?

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Old 06-13-2005, 08:51 PM   #2
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Leather package + STi seats = teh WIN!!1
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Old 06-13-2005, 08:51 PM   #3
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not from the factory(yet). Others have had sunroofs put in(risk of structural ridgidity issues).

I'd keep an eye out for a month or two when the 06's hit the dealers, your prayers may be answered. If not, you'll have to get leather and either swap with a non-limited guy or live with it.

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Old 06-13-2005, 09:14 PM   #4
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Others have had sunroofs put in (risk of structural ridgidity issues).
Why would there be any structural rigidity issues on a car that already has a sunroof as a factory option?

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Old 06-13-2005, 09:15 PM   #5
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I was in the same situation you were and ended up with no sunroof.

I bet you could do like fibuz mentioned and get a non limited owner to swap seats...if you can pry them from his cold dead hands. People seem to be very opinionated about their seats.
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Old 06-13-2005, 09:24 PM   #6
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Why would there be any structural rigidity issues on a car that already has a sunroof as a factory option?

-Brian
Take a piece of bread and cut a hole the size of a quarter in the center.
Now compare it with a doughnut.

It would be my best guess that the doughnut is 'stronger'.

I seem to recall several discussions about this on NASIOC someplace...but the bottom line is who do you trust to do things right(and KNOW that things will be done right):

1. Fuji Heavy industries who custom fabricates the pieces whole.
2. Some guy with a saw and a steady(or unsteady) hand.

I'd put my money on FHI.

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Old 06-13-2005, 09:42 PM   #7
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Fibuz, of course I'd pick a factory sunroof over an aftermarket one. For a zillion obvious reasons...

But "structural rigidity" sure isn't one of them. That's only going to be an issue for vehicles that were never intended to have great big holes in the roof.

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Old 06-13-2005, 09:53 PM   #8
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I've had my sunroof for 10,000 miles with no problems so far.....
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Old 06-13-2005, 09:53 PM   #9
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okay, what about placement of the aftermarket 'hole'. Say its off-center by a few MM. Roll the car, and there would be less reinforcement on one side compared to the other causing a crumple.

Also, although I've never looked at the OEM sunroof closely, I belive the hole would be 'lipped' over using the same sheet for steel to add more structure. Even if an 'aftermarket' sunroof welded said lip in(which is not likely, im sure they simply slip a rubber 'grommet' around the [sanded/smoothed] hole they cut), its not going to be as strong.

Now, I realize how much the pillars are designed to protect the inhabitants like a roll cage in the perfect world, but an uneven puncture to the roof by a non-flat object(large rock) could be more disasterous with an uneven or un-reinforced sunroof from aftermarket modification.

In fact, it would be my guess that there are additional reinforcements to the roof if you do have a sunroof versus if you do not (from the factory). Not likely to get these added reinforcements from aftermarket applications.

Maybe I'm full of ****, take it as opinion, whatever...I'm not betting my life on an aftermarket sunroof though.

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Old 06-13-2005, 09:59 PM   #10
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okay, what about placement of the aftermarket 'hole'. Say its off-center by a few MM. Roll the car, and there would be less reinforcement on one side compared to the other causing a crumple.

Also, although I've never looked at the OEM sunroof closely, I belive the hole would be 'lipped' over using the same sheet for steel to add more structure. Even if an 'aftermarket' sunroof welded said lip in(which is not likely, im sure they simply slip a rubber 'grommet' around the [sanded/smoothed] hole they cut), its not going to be as strong.

Now, I realize how much the pillars are designed to protect the inhabitants like a roll cage in the perfect world, but an uneven puncture to the roof by a non-flat object(large rock) could be more disasterous with an uneven or un-reinforced sunroof from aftermarket modification.

In fact, it would be my guess that there are additional reinforcements to the roof if you do have a sunroof versus if you do not (from the factory). Not likely to get these added reinforcements from aftermarket applications.

Maybe I'm full of ****, take it as opinion, whatever...I'm not betting my life on an aftermarket sunroof though.

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I'm not planning on rolling my car to test that theory out......
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Old 06-13-2005, 10:31 PM   #11
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I'm not planning on rolling my car to test that theory out......
come on, do it!
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Old 06-14-2005, 06:33 AM   #12
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I would think that, unless the cross rails inside the roof were altered, the difference would be of very little consequence.

I haven't heard of a study showing aftermarket sunroofs to be blatantly detrimental to structure in contrast to OEM, and you'd think that if it was such a safety compromise that it would have been common knowledge by now, yes?

Of course, I had two OEM ones in my roof from the factory, so what am I worried about?
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Old 06-14-2005, 06:37 AM   #13
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I would think that, unless the cross rails inside the roof were altered, the difference would be of very little consequence.

I haven't heard of a study showing aftermarket sunroofs to be blatantly detrimental to structure in contrast to OEM, and you'd think that if it was such a safety compromise that it would have been common knowledge by now, yes?

Of course, I had two OEM ones in my roof from the factory, so what am I worried about?
The other thing to remember is that on a lot of cars the dealer will send the car out for the sunroof so if they were really that dangerous then I don't think auto maunfacturers would allow deallerships to have sunroofs installed aftermarket directly from the dealership.
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Old 06-14-2005, 12:37 PM   #14
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Just get the leather, its pimp

But really I would think you could swap seats with someone if it is really a big deal. I love my leather and will never have cloth again just for the fact that cleaning is so much easier. But I am not going to start that debate again

I would stear away from the aftermarket roofs but only because I would cry seeing someone take a sawsall to my new car.
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Old 06-14-2005, 03:56 PM   #15
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I didn't like the leather seats at all but the sunroof is mandatory for me. You should buy the car and post something on legacygt dot com.
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Old 06-14-2005, 04:36 PM   #16
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2006 will only have leather/sunroof standard. it wont even be an option to not get the legacy with leather next year unless u want to go without turbo..
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