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Old 06-19-2005, 04:19 PM   #1
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Default Turboing my 2000 Legacy.

I recently purchased a 2000 Legacy GT Limited.

For 165hp the thing crawls.

Would like it to be equaly quick as my 1998 Grand Prix GTP.

So i was thinking of putting together a turbo kit for it. I keep finding parts for the impreza. Will impreza engine parts work on the EJ25 that my legacy has?

I also saw some kits for about $1995, anyone have any experience with low priced kits like this

btw its an auto tranny. would any upgrades to the tranny have to be done?
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Old 06-19-2005, 06:58 PM   #2
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i wouldnt know but the GT only has 165hp? that seems low but hey im n/a so what do i know lol
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Old 06-19-2005, 08:47 PM   #3
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165hp is corrrect sir
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Old 06-19-2005, 09:47 PM   #4
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search for my name and also JoeT you will find a lot of info. you can use RS kits on the legacy, you need to remove the passenger side strut brace and the cruise control module for a turbo and downpipe to fit.

you dont need to upgrade your auto but it doesnt cope with the added torque too well, my auto was slipping at only 6psi.

i am selling my current turbo setup if you are interested however it is not cheap, i went the more spendy route with nicer components. FYI turboing the EJ25 is not cheap, and trying to do it cheaply will end up with problems. remember this, its all about engine management and tuning.



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Old 06-20-2005, 07:56 AM   #5
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my offerings:
1. why turbo and not WRX swap? prolly the same amount of $ and much more reliabilty aftermarket support.
2. if you were so concerned about speed, why'd you buy an auto?

it crawls? you did test drive it before you bought it, right?
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Old 06-20-2005, 10:58 AM   #6
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For your auto you can get a torque converter which will help cope with the power. AVO has a turbo kit that is supposed to be pretty decent.
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Old 06-20-2005, 12:14 PM   #7
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AVO's turbo kit is very expensive, but looks very well designed. If someone were content with putting the money into it and not doing any legwork (or phonework, or fingerwork, etc), they could come away with a significantly faster Legacy.

nyyankees003: all Legacies between 2000 and 2004 had the same engine with the same power. The OB had the 3.0 H6.

PHATsuby: do you have a page or link with the info on your old setup?
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Old 06-20-2005, 12:55 PM   #8
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DLC beat me to it. I was about to let nyyankees003 know that the legacy GT did NOT get better power vs his legacy L or the leagcy Outback. The difference is in the suspension and trim levels, not horsepower... And the car does crawl compared to some other models in the same class, but other models in the same class have turbos or v6 engines. It does not crawl compared to other 4 cyl non turbos... And the auto legacy models are known for being slower and more sluggish than the manual models... Do a wrx swap and you'll be happier... Or just take a cue from all the civic owners and put a huge wing on your car to go fast. It is MUCH cheaper than a turbo...
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Old 06-20-2005, 01:04 PM   #9
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or just add a type R sticker
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Old 06-20-2005, 01:08 PM   #10
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the torque converter doesnt really help cope with power, or at least in my experience it didnt. that will help you launch better, however my issues came when shifting, the valve body just could not deal with it and would slip on shifts, this came at only 6psi for me i believe. guys with auto RS's were running 6psi on their autos no problems, i think the increased weight of the legacy was part of the problem.

DLC-I have a list somehwere but i'll repost it here.

Mechanicals:
T3/T04B turbo
ludespeed uppipe
ludespeed downpipe 2.5" no cats
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that should about do it.....

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Old 06-20-2005, 02:15 PM   #11
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It does not crawl compared to other 4 cyl non turbos... And the auto legacy models are known for being slower and more sluggish than the manual models...
I will have to disagree on this one. I have driven a bunch of NA 4 cyl's and most are faster than my MT legacy. I think the biggest killer is the power loss to AWD. I have not seen any numbers but I would be guess I am only putting a bit over 100HP to the ground, once again I could be wrong but either way this car is not fast. It does handle like a dream though.
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Old 06-20-2005, 07:26 PM   #12
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Yeah if you're going to turbo your EJ25 spend some time on the Aftermarket Turbo forums here on NASIOC (I know most people are Impreza 2.5RS owners but it's pretty much the same thing.) There are a lot of stories of projects gone wrong, so use the wealth of information that's available here.

A WRX swap can be just as cheap as a turbo kit if you are comfortable with lots of wiring. If you pay someone else to do it it can get expensive. Spend time on the Subaru Conversions forums if that's what floats your boat.

The one thing I wonder about a WRX swap is if it would be any fun mated to an automatic transmission... you think your NA Legacy is slow, try test-driving a Saab 9-2X turbo (basically a WRX wagon) with an automatic transmission some time - the way automatic transmissions shift don't work so well with a small-displacement turbo motor with no torque down low.

The BE/BH 2000 Legacy feels slower than many other cars with 165hp cause it's so heavy... with all the "Limited" trim equipment and such I'm sure it's close to 3300 pounds.
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Old 06-20-2005, 10:24 PM   #13
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I picked up a 2001 Leg GT 5MT a couple months ago. It's a dog compared to my 4Runner and Celica GT-S. I can see where a little turbo, spooling quickly, would really make a big difference in the car.

Does anyone know if the AVO kit is CARB/smog approved? Being in Illinois, CARB approval doesn't mean much except it's got a good shot of passing.

Also, $4500 for a well-constructed turbo kit is a bit much but it's not obscene. I'd hope you get what you pay for. Blitz released a S/C for the GT-S thru Trial that ran in the $6500 range. Now, that is obscene.

Last question for those in the know: $4500 gets you the kit. Any idea how much install and tune would be? Is it a relative easy tune or a tricky one?
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Old 06-20-2005, 11:07 PM   #14
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If you want, I have some ludespeed pipes that I want to get rid of, They were made for an automatic (gotta compensate for beefier tranny)

It would be wise to put a tranny cooler on there too.
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Old 06-21-2005, 01:52 AM   #15
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The BE/BH 2000 Legacy feels slower than many other cars with 165hp cause it's so heavy... with all the "Limited" trim equipment and such I'm sure it's close to 3300 pounds.
Even more than that, my friend. Curb weight on a GT Limited is 3370#. There are a few reasons I chose not to "upgrade" from my BD to a BE, and probably the biggest reason is it's the same overworked/underpowered drivetrain in a car that weighs 200# more!

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2. if you were so concerned about speed, why'd you buy an auto?

it crawls? you did test drive it before you bought it, right?
Yeah, what he said!

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Old 06-21-2005, 02:26 AM   #16
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so wait the L and the GT have the same power? why do the GT's have a turbo but have the same power as the n/a L?
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Old 06-21-2005, 06:51 AM   #17
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so wait the L and the GT have the same power? why do the GT's have a turbo but have the same power as the n/a L?
00-04 LGT's don't have turbo.
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Old 06-21-2005, 02:39 PM   #18
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Thanks for everyones responces. THe WRX swap is more of a job then i would want to do...all of this was going to be done by myself.

PHATsuby, thanks for the parts list... i'll look into those thing!

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if you were so concerned about speed, why'd you buy an auto?
The car is my wifes daily driver...she doesn't know how to drive manual trans.
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Old 06-21-2005, 04:15 PM   #19
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I have been considering an engine swap for my 01BE for about a year now. Subaru introduced the 2.5T in the Forester/Baja lin the last couple of years, and now that the LGT is a 2.5t, I think these drivetrains will become available at reasonable prices fairly soon (used from wrecked cars, etc..).
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Old 06-21-2005, 04:23 PM   #20
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They're all ready pretty reasonable if you know where to look.
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Old 06-22-2005, 02:45 AM   #21
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00-04 LGT's don't have turbo.

wow sorry guys lol i guess i shoulda known that...thanks!! go newbies eh?
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raising the dead but is there a way to keep the cruise control and go turbo?
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Old 10-12-2009, 03:48 AM   #23
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raising the dead but is there a way to keep the cruise control and go turbo?
Since the CC is cable driven, I don't see why you couldn't relocate the actuator. It would be a bit of a PITA but doable.
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Old 10-12-2009, 08:12 AM   #24
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yea would prob take a little ingenuity finding a new mounting location but is definitely doable.

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