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Old 06-19-2005, 02:07 PM   #1
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Default WTH??? What is up with F1???

Why aren't most of the F1 teams racing??? This sucks!
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Old 06-19-2005, 02:08 PM   #2
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Haha, check out the motorsports forum.

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Old 06-19-2005, 02:32 PM   #3
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Why aren't most of the F1 teams racing??? This sucks!
Michelin said their tires were not safe for this race. Only Bridgestone drivers are out. This is a disgrace.

One suggestion was to put in a chicane (to slow down the cars from fast straight to tight turn), but FIA did not allow it since this would mean modifying the track for teams which did not have the correct equipment. Quite a farce...

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Old 06-19-2005, 02:34 PM   #4
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I go tit now... if Indy is the same course year after year, why wouldn't there be plans for it? Seems like Michelin isn't doing the job.
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Old 06-19-2005, 02:37 PM   #5
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One suggestion was to put in a chicane (to slow down the cars from fast straight to tight turn), but FIA did not allow it since this would mean modifying the track for teams which did not have the correct equipment. Quite a farce...

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After reading the statement by the FIA I have to agree about the lack of chicane. I mean Ferrari has sucked all year do to the poor performance of the Bridgestones. Now there is a race where the Bridgestones stronger and the Michellin runners want to change the track configuration to suite there setups?

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Old 06-19-2005, 02:44 PM   #6
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After reading the statement by the FIA I have to agree about the lack of chicane. I mean Ferrari has sucked all year do to the poor performance of the Bridgestones. Now there is a race where the Bridgestones stronger and the Michellin runners want to change the track configuration to suite there setups?

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I agree...this would be lack adding wweight in GT racing.... an automatic penalty against teams that are prepared would be unfair...

Then again... like they just talked about, do you think that Bridgestone learned a thing or two from Firestone and the Indy 500?
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Old 06-19-2005, 02:50 PM   #7
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Then again... like they just talked about, do you think that Bridgestone learned a thing or two from Firestone and the Indy 500?
Haha yeah, I was just typing this up in motorsports.

WHOA! good point they just made on Speed. With the resurfacing of Indianapolis, IRL Indy cars had huge problems with their first practice session for the 500 and it actually had to be cancelled. The entire track surface then needed to be regrinded and fixed. Even NASCAR had to postpone their scheduled testing.

Here's the kicker, Firestone (Bridgestone sister company) ran at Indy and learned about the tire problems. Info probably made it's way over to Bridgestone and those sneaky suckers used the data from Firsestone to correct the known issue.

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What do you expect, did everyone see what ecklestone said about Danica Patrick. He said" Women should be dressed in white to match the rest of the household appliences. #1 jerk in my book.
Now a formula 1 race with 6 cars in the US Grand Prix. This does just suck. It's funny that the camera people can't hardly get 2 cars in a picture. Bernie got nailed by the fans leaving the speedway early for his safety. Politics sucks in racing, Nascar is on Fox.
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What do you expect, did everyone see what ecklestone said about Danica Patrick. He said" Women should be dressed in white to match the rest of the household appliences.
Now a formula 1 race with 6 cars in the US Grand Prix. This does just suck. It's funny that the camera people can't hardly get 2 cars in a picture. Bernie got nailed by the fans leaving the speedway early for his safety. Politics sucks in racing, Nascar is on Fox.
Ahhh I'm going back outside to wrench on the Subbie.
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Old 06-19-2005, 03:51 PM   #10
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that was the saddest race i have ever watched. only six cars ran and third finished over a lap behind second. there is no way i would have paid $600 to go watch that race.
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Old 06-19-2005, 04:06 PM   #11
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Long-time F1 fan. F1 can kiss my arse. I will never watch another F1 race. Bernie *** Ecklestone has ruined the sport. Reminds of when CART cancelled the Texas race. I haven't watched a CART race since then. Looks like ALMS is the only good road racing left to watch.
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Old 06-19-2005, 06:13 PM   #12
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The only ones at fault is Michelin. There is a reason why teams and manufacturers (especially tire companys) run test sessions. Michelin should have kept track of what is going on at the track surface and adjusted accordingly. It may seem unfair that Bridgestone may have had better data to work with because of Firestone's experience but this means that Michelin has to work even harder to make up for the disadvantage.

As soon as I saw the first car pull into the pits, I knew that it was the end of F1 in the US. This was further evidenced by the "fans" throwing debris onto the track. While I can sympathize with the fans that may have spent more then $600, the teams that did not run just spent millions for a parade lap. Furthermore, potentially causing an ontrack incident by throwing a water bottle at a F1 car at race speed is not the same as getting beat up by a basketball player. Maybe we will see F1 run in Monterrey to replace Indianapolis on Bridgestones only.

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Old 06-20-2005, 12:56 AM   #13
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i last minute decided to drive up to indy. i'm pissed. hopefully they'll refund my ticket that i bought off a scalper for 45 bucks.
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Old 06-20-2005, 08:23 AM   #14
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The end of F1 in the U.S.... that race was a joke. I kept watching it though, like a train-wreck or something... just couldn't stop.


If I hear anyone use the word 'farce' one more time, I'm gonna puke! Someone hand the broadcast team a friggin' thesaurus next time

I thought the behavior of the fans who threw crap was deplorable. The only guys that -didn't- deserve to have **** heaped on 'em were the guys on the track. I thought the 3rd place guy (errr.. name escapes me) was great... in the interviews, he was totally stoked to be 3rd and he didn't let the crap going on that day take him down at all. Bravo to him! I'll root for him I think from now on.

What the heck was Schuey thinking when he almost took out Barrichello... six friggin' cars on the track, and these two almost come together! I'm sure both guys felt 'the heat of the battle' but sheesh... that was goofy.

I can't wait to see what happens next week in France... the fan reaction... oh wait... -nothing- will happen... business as usual.


edit: no michelin tires for me, ever. Any **** they spew after this that doesn't sound -exactly- like a heartfelt apology will be an epic farce.. heh.
Anyway, being unprepared for -that- race on a track that's been around 90-odd years is unforgivable.
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Old 06-20-2005, 10:10 AM   #15
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I was one of the biggest screw ups in motorsports history. Bernie needs an American Ass Kicking for acting like a jerk, leaving the race early to protect himself and for saying stupid Danica Patrick comments.
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I was one of the biggest screw ups in motorsports history. Bernie needs an American Ass Kicking for acting like a jerk, leaving the race early to protect himself and for saying stupid Danica Patrick comments.
This is the 2nd time you mentioned that. When was this? Link? I still do not see how this is his fault though. Did he forbid Michelin from testing prior to the race?

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What the heck was Schuey thinking when he almost took out Barrichello... six friggin' cars on the track, and these two almost come together! I'm sure both guys felt 'the heat of the battle' but sheesh... that was goofy.

Ha. They were both bein ballsy and Rubens gave in. I don't blame M.S cuz I saw the Indy from 2 years ago(?) and M was in the lead and they were going to both finish side by side and R.B got on it and placed first. I would of been livid!
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Now there is a race where the Bridgestones stronger and the Michellin runners want to change the track configuration to suite there setups?

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HAHA!
That reminds me SRT4s they say they are faster from rolls and won't let you win on digs.
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Turbo, I feel for ya. I flew up there. I watched the first 5 laps out of sheer amazement, and then left. Took me all afternoon/evening Sunday to calm down.

I don't plan on going back to Indy or any F1 race. That is pure BS. I don't blame Bernie, I don't blame Max. Michelin got caught with their pants down. Period. If they couldn't come up with a tire that was safe, then shame on them. I'm gonna hurt F1 the way I know how. Don't spend any more $$$ on them. I may watch, may not. I'm definitely a lot less inclined to wake up at 3 or 4 in the morning to watch a race.



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Old 06-20-2005, 09:16 PM   #20
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This is the 2nd time you mentioned that. When was this? Link? I still do not see how this is his fault though. Did he forbid Michelin from testing prior to the race?

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Bernie did not allow Michelin to fly new sets of tires to the race the day before, Michelin thought they had the problem solved.
More of the point of his comments about women and leaving one of his events early to aviod critisism
The Danica comments were just wrong as well.
I'm in the mindset that the buck stops somewhere. In this situation, it stops at the top. Michelin had an answer and Bernie said do not bother shipping tires over, withoout checking and testing we don't know if the race will be fair. Thus, no race, nice decision. Michelin was wrong and unprepared but they were willing to try everything to the very end.
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Did I read wrong or did Michelin say that the shipment of tires wouldn't help out? Or did Michelin send out a 2nd shipment of tires after finding out that the 1st shipment wouldn't work?



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AFAIK they flew the tires in just in case, and they had the same problem. The only way they could have run was to pit alot and change tires(the teams didnt want to do that), run slow through the turn (also didnt want that), or put in a chicane (one of the teams didnt want that.

Either way it was Max's call not Bernies.
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Oh well, what's done is done. I just hope that not too many other people didn't get jipped(sic) during that race. Jipped meaning driving/flying to the race only to see 6 cars go around the track.

Bernie certainly didn't help the situation the day earlier with the Danica comment. <---pretty sure it was Bernie. That only put the F1 situation in the U.S. under more scrutiny.



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Maybe I don't know all the detials, I was just watching TV and pissed that I was not fishing. The Danica comments were what really set me off. I also thoght I heard that Bernie was the one with the call on the shipment of tires. Ferarri had a good point about the Chicane, saying we have not run it in that configuration and it would be dangerous. Michelin teams said the chicane would not have help.
I hope this will not kill F1 in the US but feel it has.
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If there is to be any more U.S.G.P.'s, it wouldn't be a bad idea to try other venues. Laguna Seca or Watkins Glen would be my 2 choices.

I went and saw 5 laps, and was so pissed I left and drove to the hotel. They were interviewing people walking to their cars, and some folks spent(read: wasted) their vacation days to go see this race.

I really feel bad for the folks who came from Columbia and abroad. The fact that they dropped big $$$ into Indy really ticks me off(as well as them too!). I mean, I saw about a half dozen shirts that said "I came from Columbia to see Montoya win!". I doubt that there is any other reason to go to Indy for these folks besides to see F1. Do you think they'll be back next year? HIGHLY unlikely. Vendors lost big $$$, the town lost $$$. What's worse, the F1 racing program lost quite a bit of faith. What's to say that this won't happen again, and not just in the U.S.?

From now on, I'll be either watching tv or getting my stuff from the web. I'm a lot more hesitant to spend my time/money on something that may or may not happen.



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