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Old 06-26-2005, 11:31 PM   #1
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Default Cobb stage 2 WRX vs. stock STI ?

I was just wondering does a stage 2 wrx can compare to a STI?
I mean, just the feeling you get when you are driving it, etc...
Or they are still 2 different kind of cars?

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Old 06-26-2005, 11:35 PM   #2
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sti is the best, still have more hp, braking, suspension...
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Old 06-26-2005, 11:36 PM   #3
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Totally different. While you could keep up with an STi at Stage 2, the tranny, suspension, brakes, and more are way better.
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Old 06-26-2005, 11:38 PM   #4
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maybe on the straightline, but i would guess that you'd need to change the gearbox and suspension a bit in order to get something equal to an STI. I don't know, i'm running an 02 wrx w/ 275hp, on DMS gold street coilovers and 18" gramlights and she's not like a stock wrx, but haven't been in an STI so i can't tell for sure. anyone else?
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Old 06-26-2005, 11:45 PM   #5
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Or they are still 2 different kind of cars?

Thanks a lot!
I own a 2004 PSM WRX, AND a 2005 OBP STi. They are 2 totally different cars!!
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Old 06-26-2005, 11:50 PM   #6
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Coming from an 03 cobb stg2 wrx and test driving an 04 STi, I'd have to say that the power delivery felt smoother in the STi and slightly stronger in the high rpm range. The steering felt stiffer, suspension felt lower, pointier, etc. I felt like the STi revved much faster. Brakes were great. I did however feel like I was driving a slightly bigger car. Transmission had me wowed because I felt like each gear dropped me in a sweet spot in comparison to my 03 wrx. That could've just been the extra .5L though.
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Old 06-26-2005, 11:57 PM   #7
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add suspension, brakes, and stage two cobb, you have a wrx thats almost as fast, and handles almost as well for way less! all depends on how you want to roll. i personally like having the wrx cause no one wants to play with the sti!
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Old 06-27-2005, 12:06 AM   #8
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Old 06-27-2005, 12:27 AM   #9
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icic..
Thanks a lot for the info!
But do you think the stage 2 still worth it? I hope it won't break the car or anything like that...
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Old 06-27-2005, 12:36 AM   #10
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I was going to stage 4 my REX, but my wife wanted it and told me to get the STi. Now I am going to stage 4 the STi, then do the REX
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Old 06-27-2005, 06:22 PM   #11
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Old 06-27-2005, 06:39 PM   #12
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I've been at Stage 2 for over a year now and no problems with the car yet.
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Old 06-27-2005, 07:01 PM   #13
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Yeah the STi and the WRX are two totally diffrent monsters. My stage 2 WRX is fast but my buddies stage 2 STi is much faster. With the same power adders the STi pulls harder, longer, and smoother than my stage 2 WRX. Plus the bigger brakes makes it oh so much sweeter than the WRX's stock brakes.
But the Stage 2 WRX is by no means a pig, it'll keep up with just about anything out there and beat almost everythying. I'm very happy with my WRX as its pleanty fast for a daily driver and fast enough for the occasional race. I don't think you'll be dissapointed with Stage 2. I'm not.

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Old 06-27-2005, 07:12 PM   #14
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icic..
Thanks a lot for the info!
But do you think the stage 2 still worth it? I hope it won't break the car or anything like that...
When i got my car tuned at LaChute subaru, they said the engine, tranny etc on a wrx could handle up to 300hp, after that you should start changing other stuff internally if you want reliability as well.
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Old 06-27-2005, 10:42 PM   #15
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It has been pretty obvious that a Cobb Stage 2 WRX will always be edged out by a stock STi but the real question is, what if that Stage 2 WRX had an up-pipe? True, the bottleneck may be the 2.0L engine but with the up-pipe, hp to the wheels is almost the same. Too bad it's such a biotch to install.......
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Old 06-27-2005, 10:43 PM   #16
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It has been pretty obvious that a Cobb Stage 2 WRX will always be edged out by a stock STi but the real question is, what if that Stage 2 WRX had an up-pipe? True, the bottleneck may be the 2.0L engine but with the up-pipe, hp to the wheels is almost the same. Too bad it's such a biotch to install.......
A turboXS stage 2 WRX DOES have an up pipe.

Anyone that uses cobbs path and doesnt do the up pipe when they are running a turboback and EM should have their head examined
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Old 06-27-2005, 11:02 PM   #17
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In addition to what is done with Cobb's Stage 2 setup I would definitely think an uppipe and IC hoses should be added. Even if it doesn't increase the peak HP, it will fatten the torque & HP curves because the boost will come on quicker.
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Old 06-27-2005, 11:08 PM   #18
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For us in Canada during the winter, 16" with snow tires are > 17" with snow tires. Thats basically where the advantage seems to stop!
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Old 06-28-2005, 01:28 AM   #19
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...but the real question is, what if that Stage 2 WRX had an up-pipe?
I've got an uppipe and the IC hoses and my above comment still applies. I also agree with
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Anyone that uses cobbs path and doesnt do the up pipe when they are running a turboback and EM should have their head examined.
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Old 06-28-2005, 02:11 AM   #20
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my stage2 wrx beat my STI

WRX: utec, IC hose, uppipe, turboback
STI: stock EM, turboback

the wrx pulled 1/2 car length until 120kmh,

WRX have the advantage of longer gears. I sold the WRX and keep the STI, I still like the STI any day
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Old 07-05-2005, 09:03 AM   #21
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PPP3 has all the hardware you guys talk about and boost turned up. They were saying that it runs with an Sti to over 60 MPH.
60 is reached in second in a WRX.
WRX is lighter but Sti has better gearing.
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Old 07-05-2005, 01:23 PM   #22
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icic
But if I got the stage2, is it necessary to upgrade anything else? (like, brakes, clutch, etc...)
I 'm really attracted by stage2, but I'm also kind of worry about that if I get a stage2 I'll have to spend more money on mods...
any suggestions?

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Old 07-06-2005, 09:03 PM   #23
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But if I got the stage2, is it necessary to upgrade anything else? (like, brakes, clutch, etc...)
I 'm really attracted by stage2, but I'm also kind of worry about that if I get a stage2 I'll have to spend more money on mods...
any suggestions?

Thanks!
It's not necessary to upgrade anything else, but if you're like me and you want a balanced car (meaning the steering and braking are up to par with your new Stage 2 power) then you will want to upgrade.

Tires are a given... but I added steering rack bushings, shifter bushings, Hawk HPS pads & Goodridge SS brake lines & some other little things... under the hood (IC hoses, ground wire, aftermarket heat shield).
The car feels much more well rounded now... especially after the brake stuff and steering rack bushings.
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Old 07-10-2005, 11:52 PM   #24
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OK guys lets get real here.
I owned a
2002 wrx
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12.7@108mph with CRAP driving. I had easily 20k in performance mods into the car. STI struts, GF210 springs, 22/24mm sways/links, 4 pot front brakes legaacy rear brakes
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It got totalled by a waste management employee that can open his eyes before making aleft into oncomming traffic.
I now have a 2 day old 2005 STI

Guess what?

The WRX was NOWHERE NEAR my BONE STOCK 2005 STI. I have been in several WRX's with 10-20K in performance mods (including my own) None of them hold a candle to a bone stock 05 STI.
The handling is just on another level. The WRX didnt handle this well even after coilovers and corner balancing. The power? Well, while it IS true that in a 1/4 mile race, my WRX would have eaten my STI for lunch, that is IT. that is the ONLY place it would have had a prayer in hell of keeping up with an 05 STI. And I have to say, from a roll at over 60mph, I think this STI would hang very well.

I will say this, the brakes on my WRX had more initial bite, but I had axxis ultimates vs teh stock pads on teh Brembos. However pedal feel and modulation is better on the STI.

Basicallys, not to step on anyones toes, because lord knows I was in your shoes just weeks ago, and always made claims that a WRX like mine was an all around faster car than a stock STI (in fact I laughed if people told me otherwise), I can assure you that I and anyone with that mindset are/were/is dead wrong. This STI would its ass with my wrx and any wrx I have ever been in on a road course.








HOWEVER.

The 2005 STI is MUCH improved over the 04. Every 04 STI I drove felt very unstable at 90+mph on the highway (compared to my WRX which was rock solid at 125-130) The 05 is rock solid and 95mph feels like 45. The steering response is sharper, and the horrible oversteer is (comparatively) basically completely gone. (remember, I said comparatively) It is quieter on the road, rides WORLDS better adn just feels SO much more refined.
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Old 07-11-2005, 12:42 AM   #25
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I have driven both cars 04 STi and 02 ST2 WRX. STi's drivability and gear box felt much better and refined compared to Stage 2 WRX. No bogging or jerking from typical WRX was felt on the STi.
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