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Old 07-05-2005, 12:50 PM   #1
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I'm not sure if this is the right forum for this, but just had to rant a little. What is the story with JDM Subaru parts being so insanely expensive?

I could care less about putting JDM parts on my WRX, but it just always surprises me when I see some of the prices that the dealers list. Like I happened to notice that Gruppe-S had an STi oil cooler that they were selling for $1650!! How is that any different than a $100 oil cooler from Summit Racing, other than the nice STi silk-screened on the front?

Or $9000 for a V7 or V8 STi crate motor??? For that kind of money, you could get a Viper motor, or have just about any other motor around blueprinted and balanced and completely rebuilt with bullet-proof forged internals. And that still doesn't include the additional $2000 or so you'll have to drop to get the turbo and exhaust to go with it.

I'm not trying to knock Gruppe-S in any way. I just happened to notice their clearance sale post in the classifieds section and it got me thinking. If that's the going rate, that's obviously what they're going to charge. But how many folks actually put that kind of cash into upgrading their cars just to say they have the authentic JDM parts?
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Old 07-05-2005, 12:55 PM   #2
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JDM y0!!!!11!!!!

I never really understood the lure to it either.

edit: I was trying to find the 8-9k motors. All the ones I found were like $3k which is a good deal.

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Old 07-05-2005, 01:21 PM   #3
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smaller market makes for higher prices because supply is low and demand is growing faster than supply. Think of all the NA Subarus that have been sold in north america in the past 10 years ... an STi engine will fit into any of them.
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Old 07-05-2005, 01:26 PM   #4
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The wouldn't charge those prices if they didn't have willing buyers.
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Old 07-05-2005, 01:47 PM   #5
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I can't understand the insane pricing on the JDM official strut bars. Especially when you can get cheap knock offs that look the same and perform just as well.
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Old 07-05-2005, 02:20 PM   #6
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what can ya do?
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Old 07-05-2005, 02:34 PM   #7
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Either buy the knock off or the genuine partů.choice is up to you if you want to front the bigger bucks.
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Old 07-05-2005, 02:37 PM   #8
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genuine parts have a huge markup, because, well, they're "genuine"
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Old 07-05-2005, 03:00 PM   #9
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plus shipping is pretty expensive when it comes to car parts like lips, headlights, etc.

you pay for what you get. JDM = The RoXoRs. But other replica is decent and good aswell.
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Old 07-05-2005, 03:51 PM   #10
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supply and demand
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Old 07-05-2005, 03:52 PM   #11
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Like I happened to notice that Gruppe-S had an STi oil cooler that they were selling for $1650!! How is that any different than a $100 oil cooler from Summit Racing, other than the nice STi silk-screened on the front?

Or $9000 for a V7 or V8 STi crate motor??? For that kind of money, you could get a Viper motor, or have just about any other motor around blueprinted and balanced and completely rebuilt with bullet-proof forged internals. And that still doesn't include the additional $2000 or so you'll have to drop to get the turbo and exhaust to go with it.
The reason the oil cooler is so expensive is because it is an authentic S202 oil cooler and cannot really be purchased. There are a handfull of them on the boards, but a small supply and high demand jacks the price quickly

Also, if you look in their posts their prices are much more reasonable than their website. JDM Forester EJ257 is going for like 2500 bucks, so maybe 4-5k for a complete JDM STI engine.

Its true that JDM parts do carry a premium, but its because of the demand and desire to be different. There are a lot more subies in this country than a decade ago, thus people want unique mods to make their car stand out. As I said before, increased demand and a lack of supply is what is making prices so outrageous.
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Old 07-05-2005, 03:57 PM   #12
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if you have to ask why they are so expensive then you dont need to buy them. I dont care if its 5 dollars or 500 dollars the price dont matter its the product. You can not start to understand the JDM craz without being a true fanatic.
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Old 07-05-2005, 04:10 PM   #13
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supply and demand
i just had a brain storm lets boycot all jdm parts and see if the prices fall out the bottom
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Old 07-05-2005, 04:44 PM   #14
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It's rape. Pure and simple. A handful of people with way more money than brains will pay 10x what parts are worth to get them so the few vendors that import the stuff jack the prices. Whenever I see a used part that is JDM that costs three times what the USDM version would cost I just laugh knowing that someone is going to get it with no lube and smile at the same time. I don't get the JDM craze at all but if people want to pay for it, more power to them.

The downside that I see from all of this is that it somewhat helps set prices for other parts. If you don't believe me there, go compare the price of a borla header for our cars to the price of a header for a v8 mustang/camaro that uses 2x the materials. It doesn't add up. Or cams for our cars, have you priced v8 cams lately?. I priced heads for my car through Cobb...$3000 for rs heads. $3000 will buy a lot more than a set of aluminum heads for a v8. I understand that there aren't as many manufacturers for our parts as there are for mustangs/camaro so they can charge a little more but some of this stuff is just ridiculous.
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Old 07-05-2005, 04:48 PM   #15
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if you have to ask why they are so expensive then you dont need to buy them. I dont care if its 5 dollars or 500 dollars the price dont matter its the product. You can not start to understand the JDM craz without being a true fanatic.
Let me guess...got an Asian girlfriend too?
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Old 07-05-2005, 04:51 PM   #16
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The wouldn't charge those prices if they didn't have willing buyers.
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I searched far & wide for a waist-level spoiler for my 2004 wrx wagon. By the time I found someone who I trusted to buy it from, I didn't care what it cost. True story.

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Old 07-05-2005, 04:59 PM   #17
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I really need to get into importing. Talk to some military folks...shoot I have a couple friends in japan. Wonder how much shipping will run me.

As for why they are more. Because they're not from here. They aren't readily available here. The numbers are limited. The quality is better than what we have here. Etc.

But mostly it's just availability.

The same thing happens to them over in japan. People from here are shipping old detroit metal over there. They like the lowriders, hydrolics, airbags, crazy paint, v8's, muscle cars....etc. Crappy kragen parts, etc. Anything american made. Prices are crazy over there.

You can pick up a car on egay...say a 64impala for $25k. Ship it to Japan for a couple grand...cheaper if you run a shipping company..which many of the guys that do this do. Then sell it for anywhere from $80-150k. Depending on car and the way it's done.

The big think right now is rat rods. They're going for upwords of $27k right now for 20's/30's rat trucks and getting shipped to japan and sold for 3/4x's that. Crazy thing is that the $27k is more than they're worth. The hot rod guys are pissed cause they keep seeing all these great cars shipped out but then again they're stoked because they just got enough money to build 3 of what they just sold or something in their eyes is better....or more finished.

All supply and demand. Market. Numbers. Trends.
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....stupidity....plain, pure, and simple....fools and their $$$....and for some, it truly is an illness.....like crack or meth-----these people will do very abnormal things to acquire the simplest jdm thing in the belief that possessing that thing 'makes' them 'cool'...or virile...or whatever Mtv says it makes you this week.
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I heard that installing a red jdm hazard button increases your sperm count.
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Old 07-05-2005, 05:38 PM   #20
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I'm getting one then
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Old 07-05-2005, 06:28 PM   #21
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i just had a brain storm lets boycot all jdm parts and see if the prices fall out the bottom
thats pretty much the only thing we could do.
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Old 07-05-2005, 06:56 PM   #22
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I have a friend moving there this month, hopefully he can score some parts for me and ship em' back.
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Honestly, I think JDM parts are not all that it is made out to be. Think of it this way, JDM parts are the stock parts of a for Japan market car.

Ever wonder why there are so many aftermarket parts for our beloved cars? Well, it's because everyone is throwing away the stock parts (beit JDM, Euro, USDM) and replacing them with 'real' performance items.
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I wish lol ! I am just a big jdm fan I get it from all my friends !
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Honestly, I think JDM parts are not all that it is made out to be. Think of it this way, JDM parts are the stock parts of a for Japan market car.

Ever wonder why there are so many aftermarket parts for our beloved cars? Well, it's because everyone is throwing away the stock parts (beit JDM, Euro, USDM) and replacing them with 'real' performance items.

you clearly no little about the japanese domestic market.

many of their parts our better than ours. They are UPGRADES. It's not just a cool factor of having jdm parts.

JDM Sti wagon suspension....massive upgrade. Spec C suspension..massive upgrade (both for wagons of course)

motors are better. headlights are better. rims are better. etc...etc...etc. bumper beams lighter. control arms stronger lighter. etc.

Our safety standards are more strict. Our smog laws are more strict. There are price margins they have to make...etc. Creates a situation where they take normally good stuck stuff and downgrade them for us.


Same with anything. I used to have a civic. JDM control arms better. Headlights better. Interior better. sway bars better. motor better. everythings better.



aftermarket parts do perform better in most cases but a lot of it is just to be different. I mean take 10 exhausts. They all perform pretty close to the same. But all sound and look different...you pick according to what you like. Not just performance.

Aftermarket is just about as much about being different as it is about performing better. For some people it's more about being different. For some of us it's more about performance but we do try to look better/different.
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