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Old 07-06-2005, 12:40 PM   #1
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I was just wondering if there is anyone out there that is using the Cobb Accessport in Phoenix or the area? I'm considering my options for ECU tuning and can't decide if I want to go with the Accessport which I feel is cool for upgrading without having to pay $150 for a new re-flash everytime you mod your car to another stage. On the other hand, I hear good stuff about Ecutek. I've heard that the Accessport has "generic map" thats not good for "every car", but if you get an Ecutek reflash without a dyno-tune, isn't that also a "generic map?" I know there's Ecutek vs. Utec vs. Accessport posts everywhere, but I'd like to get a little more info from someone close to home.
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Old 07-06-2005, 02:47 PM   #2
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i dont like any "off the shelf" maps for here in az, with our crappy gas and high heat. i think the majority of us are using Ecutek with dyno tuning...i believe rich at dyno-comp does accessport tuning as well. he's tuned my car to perfection with ecutek
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Old 07-06-2005, 05:33 PM   #3
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yeah don't go with cobb. You have to tune for heat, and octane. Contact Kingpin or dynocomp. They will hook you up. I would get a reflash or buy a UTEC. Cobb blows if you live near some of the best shops/tuners in the USA. I think Cobb is a dead company. They just don't have the edge. The ECUtek is a dyno tuned map. What a rush. If you plan on buying an ECU upgrade don't cheap out. The ecu is one of the most important parts in the entire car. If the car isnt tuned for this heat it will not last as long.
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Old 07-06-2005, 10:02 PM   #4
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I don't have any regrest with my Cobb AP, but maybe having it with my Legacy is different than the Rex's.
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Old 07-06-2005, 10:05 PM   #5
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I don't have any regrest with my Cobb AP, but maybe having it with my Legacy is different than the Rex's.
You may not, but realize you are probally only at 70% of your power potential, and potentially running on an unsafe tune. Just food for thought..
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Old 07-07-2005, 12:14 AM   #6
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Its possible, but from what I have read the maps are pretty conservative .. they don't want people running on an un-safe tune. You are right though, I have thought about going the ECUtek route myself. At the time I didn't have the money for both. (ECUtek and dyno time). Plus, the option of going to stage 2, is just me adding a down pipe and switching my map.

There are pluses and minuses to both I guess If I would have known about ECUtek at the beginning I might have stopped down and chatted with you guys
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Old 07-07-2005, 12:28 AM   #7
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Its possible, but from what I have read the maps are pretty conservative .. they don't want people running on an un-safe tune. You are right though, I have thought about going the ECUtek route myself. At the time I didn't have the money for both. (ECUtek and dyno time). Plus, the option of going to stage 2, is just me adding a down pipe and switching my map.

There are pluses and minuses to both I guess If I would have known about ECUtek at the beginning I might have stopped down and chatted with you guys
Yea it can go either way with cobb.. I have logged some cars and have been scared at the afr.. That is why i am not a fan of this one map fits all thing..

I would atleast get some afr readings and make sure you are Ok in that dept..

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Old 07-07-2005, 01:03 AM   #8
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I like the accessport for the reason LegacyGT05 stated. Purchase a D/P and I'm already set for stage two. No paying for a second re-flash. And, if I purchase the flash from Dyno-Comp or Vivid or whoever else in Phoenix does it, they're just doing a "generic" map and not going to dyno-tune my car for the $600. And, I was curious about the UTEC, but at $999, I can buy the accessport and later down the line buy the streettuner software for $400, which comes out to about the same price. I dunno, choices choices choices.
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Old 07-07-2005, 01:04 AM   #9
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With top-notch tuners locally, it's a crying shame not to get a UTEC--just click the switch to change from stock to mild-91, to 93 and 101 (just a few of the custom maps Clark @ Kingpin did for me).

+18whp and +50wtq on the dyno on an otherwise completely stock drivetrain.

No knock, lots of power, and better mpg on the 91 maps.
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Old 07-07-2005, 01:13 AM   #10
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With top-notch tuners locally, it's a crying shame not to get a UTEC--just click the switch to change from stock to mild-91, to 93 and 101 (just a few of the custom maps Clark @ Kingpin did for me).

+18whp and +50wtq on the dyno on an otherwise completely stock drivetrain.

No knock, lots of power, and better mpg on the 91 maps.
Does kingpin have a website? Doesn't the UTEC come with a pre-programmed "tuned" map also? Anyways, I appreciate all the help so far guys.
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Old 07-07-2005, 02:37 AM   #11
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http://www.kingpinperformance.com/

The Utec has Base Maps that will run the car better than AP even though it is only a base. The reason for a basemap is you can load it if you screw up when tuning. Just from a base map the car runs better than AP, that should tell you something. If you are going to mess with the ecu then you need to tune. The UTEC has an internal knock sensor via CEL. I don't have a tune for this weather and octane. I am getting a jobby this week and I hope to get tuned soon. The knock is killing my car. I try not to drive period. My engine sux anyway and I hope it explodes. Ka boom! Moral of story: If you don't have any money for a UTEC, Reflash, or a standalone just don't buy anything. Tuning has to do with racing and there is no cheap way out of motorsports. We have big boy toys now. I'm not saying you can't buy an AP. I am just stating the truth.
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Old 07-07-2005, 08:38 AM   #12
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I forgot to add, Trey at Cobb drives a Legacy all the time, so that might be why the maps have been pretty good for us Legy's .. but you are right, I need to log my AFR to see how things are running.
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Old 07-07-2005, 09:18 AM   #13
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I forgot to add, Trey at Cobb drives a Legacy all the time, so that might be why the maps have been pretty good for us Legy's .. but you are right, I need to log my AFR to see how things are running.
Yup that is the only way to tell.. Every car is different, and there are far too many variables. A base map is just that, a base, a starting point..

On a side not, your car must be fun as hell
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Old 07-07-2005, 11:32 AM   #14
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It is .. but right now its sick, the coil pack went bad, its sitting at Camelback .. I should get the car back today hopefully.
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Old 07-07-2005, 11:53 AM   #15
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The only difference I've been able to tell is that my roomate who has Cobb is having boost issues, especially now that it is hotter. My Ecutek is still going strong with no boost issues to date.
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Old 07-07-2005, 01:59 PM   #16
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i'm starting to utec is the way to go. saw one on ebay new with buy it now for $795.
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Old 07-07-2005, 02:44 PM   #17
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I can't see getting an off-the-shelf map in AZ, simply because you have access to some of the best tuners in the country as well as a couple AWD dynos. Very few places can say that, so it just makes sense to get a custom tune here.

Also, with any tune, you owe it to yourself to keep track of what your car's doing. IMO, Knocklink and EGT gauge are mandatory, even for a simple exhaust/intake/reflash car. No tune is completely failsafe, and things like super hot days, bad gas or even worn plugs will throw a wrench into the works and make your car knock. I know for a fact that my Knocklink saved my car in the past, and I will never own a turbo car without one in the future. UTEC also has some nice logging features, and if you ECUtek you can get the DeltaDash software and log as well.
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Old 07-27-2005, 12:30 AM   #18
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The Utec has Base Maps that will run the car better than AP even though it is only a base. The reason for a basemap is you can load it if you screw up when tuning. Just from a base map the car runs better than AP, that should tell you something. If you are going to mess with the ecu then you need to tune. The UTEC has an internal knock sensor via CEL. I don't have a tune for this weather and octane. I am getting a jobby this week and I hope to get tuned soon. The knock is killing my car. I try not to drive period. My engine sux anyway and I hope it explodes. Ka boom! Moral of story: If you don't have any money for a UTEC, Reflash, or a standalone just don't buy anything. Tuning has to do with racing and there is no cheap way out of motorsports. We have big boy toys now. I'm not saying you can't buy an AP. I am just stating the truth.
Your statement here makes it sounds as if I'm not willing to spend money on my car. Which is not the truth. And, tuning doesn't neccessarily have to do with racing. There are plenty of people who tune that dont technically race in motorsports. No, you're right, you're not saying I can't buy an accessport, but what you are saying is that, if I can't spend as much money on my car as you can, why do anything to my car. I want to do it, because I am looking to make my car the way I want it. And whats wrong if i see it as excessive if someone wants to charge me $150 everytime I put an upgrade on my car. Especially for them to flash something that takes all of a few minutes. Anyways, the point of this thread was to get some opinions on ECU tuning, not get criticized for wanting to mod my car and look for the best value in doing so.........and on that note, any more opinions here?
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Yes you are right it does take more money to have a car that runs well than a car that is out of tune. You asked about ECU options and I gave you my opinion. You have to take it with ďa grain of saltĒ because not all opinions are right. I say cobb sucks when you have world class tuners in your back yard. take it or leave it. This isnít personal and I donít care what you do with your car. I was trying to be on your side and keep you from making the wrong choice. I also said motor sports come with a price. Be ready to pay. I spend every dollar I make on my car. Which isnít very much money BTW. As far as an ECU upgrade that is up to you and you need to study up big time. You can only make so much power with a wrx motor. If you do all your mods at once you might get away with tuning once. I canít make up your mind. You will always find an honest opinion at Nasioc.
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Old 07-27-2005, 06:36 PM   #20
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I have the AP...but I also have the StreetTUNER. I have not had it tuned yet, but it is a sweet program. Come to the meet tomorrow night and I'll show it to ya.
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Whoa ... I want to see it!!!!
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alright, i'll bring it tomorrow...assuming I remember
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I was hinting the car has to be tuned for the heat. I know the street tuner doesn't suck. anything you can tune is good for this heat. I failed to mention street tuner. But it isnt like I know anything anyway.
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alright, i'll bring it tomorrow...assuming I remember
Well I might not be going tomorrow .. 50-50 .. depends on how the wifey is feelin.
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Old 07-28-2005, 12:09 AM   #25
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I have the AP...but I also have the StreetTUNER. I have not had it tuned yet, but it is a sweet program. Come to the meet tomorrow night and I'll show it to ya.
Are you running the AP without the StreetTUNER tune, or are you waiting to install both? If you are running it, stage 1 or 2? How's it run? Any pinging or anything crazy? What you have is what I was interested in as far as the AP. Start with stage 1, go to 2, then go for the StreetTUNER to perfect everything. Or maybe stage 1, then StreetTUNER, then stage 2 or beyond. But you catch my drift. With StreetTUNER, the AP has similar functionality to the UTEC, and VS. a EcuTEK tune, $1000 out the door for stage 2 and beyond is a lot nicer than $150 for each additional flash along with dyno time. Where and what time is the meet tomorrow, not sure if I could make it out there due to work, but I might try.
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