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Old 07-06-2005, 03:02 PM   #1
PDXTuning
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Default UPDATED: FP Red Results, SR55 Comp, GT35R Comp (with data)

In the FP Red thread from a few weeks ago, I promised to post results from tuning it on Tim’s car, as well as follow up with some other comparisons. I have the chance to do a customer car with the SR55, and I also put my car on the dyno with the GT35R and 104 Unleaded.

First of all, don’t waste your time posting “but bubba got xxx more whp on the same setup” unless you have complete datalogs to back it up. We are all tired of the dyno wars, so lets stick to data and facts.

All three of these tunes use the BigMAF, so MAF voltages scale accordingly.
All three used the ever versitle UTEC, and two of the cars had underlying EcuTek Reflashes as well. The SR55 and FP Red were internal wastegate, while the GT30R and GT35R were 44mm Tial External Wastegates.

APS SR55

First up lets look at an SR55 tune. This was an STI with the usual supporting mods: PE injectors, APS FMIC, BigMAF, etc. The pump gas tune was conservative on the AFRS. Compared to my previous experience with the SR50, the SR55 was much eaiser to tune. It appeared to have a broader range of acceptable boost levels, and responded better to changes in timing. It did however seem more insensitive to changes in AFR. I ended up with AFRs in the 11.3s, but leaning up to 11.6s or down to 11.1 made very little difference in the resulting power. Timing was limited above 5k but knock, but power gains were not evident even with the higher timing, so I suspect there is not a lot left. Boost (as can be seen from the logs) was around 22, with a few drops to 21 and jumps to 23. I did some pulls at 23.5, but there was little gain in power as timing had to come down quite a bit. This was on Oregon Pump 92.

Dyno Plot – SR55, 92 Octane


Datalog from this run:
Code:
1787  +0.6 2.3 102  10    00   +33.7    9.2 +18.6  +3.0 500.00 2.2  13.87
 1806  +0.8 2.3 102  10    00   +34.1    9.7 +18.2  +3.0 500.00 2.2  14.11
 1913  +1.1 2.4 103  10    00   +33.9    9.8 +17.8  +3.0 500.00 2.3  14.08
 1914  +1.5 2.4 103  10    00   +30.9   10.1 +17.4  +3.0 500.00 2.3  14.08
 1980  +1.9 2.5 103  10    00   +31.3    9.8 +17.0  +3.0 500.00 2.3  14.22
 2050  +1.9 2.4 103  10    00   +31.9    9.8 +17.0  +3.0 320.00 2.4  14.25
 2041  +2.3 2.5 102  10    00   +32.1    9.6 +17.0  +3.0 320.00 2.4  14.30
 2095  +2.3 2.5 103  10    00   +32.6    9.7 +17.0  +3.0 320.00 2.4  14.22
 2210  +2.5 2.5 102  20    00   +33.1   10.1 +17.0  +3.0 320.00 2.5  14.30
 2190  +2.7 2.5 103  20    00   +33.3   10.7 +16.9  +2.6 320.00 2.4  14.49
 2259  +2.9 2.5 103  20    00   +33.1   11.3 +16.7  +3.0 320.00 2.5  14.70
 2362  +3.1 2.6 102  20    00   +33.8   11.3 +16.7  +2.8 320.00 2.6  14.65
 2386  +3.3 2.6 103  20    00   +33.6   12.0 +16.5  +2.8 320.00 2.5  14.58
 2449  +3.5 2.7 103  20    00   +36.1   12.9 +16.3  +2.6 320.00 2.6  14.33
 2534  +3.7 2.7 102  20    00   +35.3   13.9 +15.9  +2.5 320.00 2.6  14.08
 2585  +3.9 2.7 102  20    00   +34.9   14.4 +15.6  +2.4 320.00 2.7  13.97
 2622  +4.3 2.8 103  20    00   +34.5   15.4 +15.4  +2.2 320.00 2.7  13.78
 2725  +4.5 2.8 102  20    00   +34.1   16.8 +15.1  +2.1 320.00 2.7  13.56
 2768  +5.1 2.9 103  30    00   +33.7   18.0 +15.0  +1.9 320.00 2.8  13.17
 2853  +5.5 2.9 103  30    00   +32.9   19.5 +15.0  +1.8 320.00 2.9  12.74
 2908  +5.9 3.0 103  30    00   +31.4   21.5 +15.0  +1.6 320.00 3.0  12.46
 3003  +6.6 3.1 103  30    00   +29.7   24.7 +15.2  +1.4 320.00 3.1  12.23
 3124  +7.4 3.2 103  40    00   +28.9   26.4 +15.5  +1.0 320.00 3.1  12.02
 3242  +8.4 3.3 102  40    00   +29.1   28.0 +15.9  +0.7 320.00 3.1  11.61
 3310  +9.2 3.4 103  40    00   +29.3   28.9 +16.0  +0.3 320.00 3.2  11.18
 3439 +10.2 3.5 102  50    00   +28.7   30.6 +16.0  +0.2 320.00 3.2  11.12
 3527 +11.3 3.5 102  50    00   +28.3   32.6 +16.0  +0.0 320.00 3.3  11.17
 3611 +12.7 3.6 102  60    00   +27.2   35.5 +15.0  +0.3 320.00 3.5  11.18
 3736 +14.3 3.7 102  70    00   +25.3   39.9 +13.0  +0.0 320.00 3.5  11.17
 3898 +16.1 3.8 102  70    00   +23.0   43.7 +13.6  +0.0 320.00 3.6  11.05
 3982 +17.8 3.9 102  80    00   +23.2   46.5 +13.9  -0.5 320.00 3.7  11.09
 4105 +19.0 4.0 102  80    00   +23.4   46.2 +14.5  -0.8 320.00 3.7  11.08
 4246 +19.8 4.0 102  80    00   +23.5   50.5 +15.0  -1.8 320.00 3.7  11.33
 4462 +20.8 4.0 102  80    00   +23.2   52.7 +15.0  -1.6 320.00 3.7  11.43
 4504 +21.2 4.1 102  90    00   +23.2   56.0 +15.0  -1.3 320.00 3.8  11.48
 4748 +21.2 4.1 102  90    00   +23.9   56.6 +15.0  -2.2 320.00 3.8  11.39
 4796 +21.9 4.1 102  90    00   +25.3   59.2 +14.9  -2.2 320.00 3.8  11.24
 4894 +21.2 4.2 102  90    00   +26.5   61.6 +14.6  -2.1 320.00 3.8  11.28
 4880 +21.9 4.2 102  90    00   +26.8   61.8 +14.4  -1.8 320.00 3.9  11.23
 5089 +22.5 4.2 101  90    00   +27.5   63.4 +14.3  -1.8 320.00 3.9  11.24
 5299 +22.7 4.2 102  90    00   +27.8   65.4 +14.3  -1.9 320.00 3.9  11.18
 5316 +23.5 4.2 102  90    00   +28.1   67.0 +15.0  -1.8 320.00 4.0  11.19
 5491 +22.9 4.3 101  90    00   +28.3   66.4 +15.3  -1.3 320.00 4.0  11.24
 5574 +22.7 4.3 102  90    00   +27.9   67.3 +15.6  -1.3 320.00 4.0  11.28
 5640 +22.1 4.3 101  90    00   +28.3   69.1 +16.6  -1.1 320.00 4.0  11.28
 5837 +21.5 4.3 102  80    00   +27.1   71.2 +17.6  -1.5 320.00 4.0  11.28
 5941 +21.7 4.3 102  90    00   +21.6   71.9 +17.4  -1.2 320.00 4.0  11.33
 5984 +21.5 4.4 102  90    00   +21.5   71.2 +17.8  -1.0 320.00 4.1  11.39
 6105 +21.7 4.3 102  90    00   +21.9   73.6 +18.2  -0.9 320.00 4.1  11.34
 6127 +22.1 4.4 102  90    00   +22.1   73.1 +19.0  -0.9 320.00 4.1  11.39
 6172 +21.9 4.4 102  90    00   +22.7   71.7 +19.0  -0.7 320.00 4.1  11.33
 6385 +22.3 4.4 102  90    00   +23.3   74.3 +21.5  -0.7 320.00 4.1  11.36
 6535 +22.3 4.4 101  90    00   +22.7   75.3 +21.9  +0.0 320.00 4.1  11.32
 6706 +22.3 4.4 102  90    00   +23.2   77.7 +22.1  -0.1 320.00 4.1  11.34
 6788 +22.9 4.4 102  90    00   +23.4   78.6 +22.5  +0.5 320.00 4.2  11.30
 6944 +22.9 4.4 102  90    00   +22.1   78.3 +22.5  +0.1 320.00 4.1  11.27
 6901 +23.3 4.4 102  90    00   +23.2   77.4 +23.0  +0.1 320.00 4.1  11.21
 7032 +22.9 4.4 103  90    00   +23.4   73.4 +23.1  +0.0 320.00 4.1  11.11
We also mixed in some 104 Unleaded (probably 75% 104) and made some changes in AFR and Boost. As with the pump setup, the leaner AFRs helped a bit, but not much. Going from 11.2s to 11.7s made only a few hp difference. Boost was in the 23-24psi range, and timing was not significantly knock limited.

Dyno Plot – SR55, 104/92 Octane Mix


Datalogs from this run:
Code:
1497  -3.8 2.1  25  00    00   +30.9   70.0 +21.4  +0.3 ECU.   2.0  15.44
 1555  -3.8 2.1  25  10    00   +32.3   70.0 +21.4  +0.6 ECU.   2.0  15.44
 1595  -2.6 2.2  37  10    00   +34.5   68.9 +20.8  +1.2 ECU.   2.0  14.96
 1601  -1.4 2.2  56  10    00   +35.3   19.5 +20.2  +1.8 500.00 2.1  14.78
 1627  -0.4 2.2  79  10    00   +34.7   20.9 +19.9  +2.4 500.00 2.2  14.49
 1747  +0.2 2.3  93  10    00   +34.2    8.4 +19.3  +3.0 500.00 2.2  14.05
 1785  +0.6 2.3 103  10    00   +33.2    9.1 +18.6  +3.0 500.00 2.3  13.97
 1840  +0.8 2.4 103  10    00   +29.2    9.5 +18.2  +3.0 500.00 2.3  14.18
 1823  +1.1 2.4 103  10    00   +29.7    9.9 +17.8  +3.0 500.00 2.3  14.15
 1953  +1.5 2.4 103  10    00   +30.4    8.8 +17.6  +3.0 500.00 2.4  14.11
 1978  +1.7 2.4 103  10    00   +30.7    9.0 +17.2  +3.0 500.00 2.4  14.18
 2027  +1.9 2.4 103  10    00   +31.0   10.4 +17.0  +3.0 320.00 2.4  14.30
 2032  +2.1 2.5 103  10    00   +31.7   10.1 +17.0  +3.0 320.00 2.4  14.37
 2087  +2.3 2.5 103  10    00   +32.3    9.5 +17.0  +3.0 320.00 2.4  14.22
 2135  +2.3 2.6 103  10    00   +32.2   10.3 +17.0  +3.0 320.00 2.4  14.08
 2256  +2.7 2.6 103  20    00   +32.4   10.2 +17.0  +3.0 320.00 2.5  14.33
 2275  +2.9 2.6 103  20    00   +32.0   11.6 +16.7  +3.0 320.00 2.5  14.53
 2364  +3.3 2.6 103  20    00   +32.1   11.9 +16.5  +2.8 320.00 2.5  14.53
 2431  +3.7 2.7 103  20    00   +32.4   12.1 +16.5  +2.8 320.00 2.6  14.30
 2465  +3.7 2.7 103  20    00   +34.1   13.0 +16.2  +2.6 320.00 2.6  14.08
 2529  +3.9 2.7 103  20    00   +33.6   13.6 +15.9  +2.1 320.00 2.6  13.87
 2596  +4.1 2.8 103  20    00   +33.2   14.8 +15.7  +2.4 320.00 2.7  13.62
 2620  +4.5 2.8 103  20    00   +33.2   15.4 +15.4  +2.2 320.00 2.7  13.36
 2727  +4.7 2.8 103  20    00   +32.9   16.7 +15.2  +2.1 320.00 2.7  13.20
 2766  +5.1 3.0 103  30    00   +32.2   18.0 +15.0  +1.9 320.00 2.9  13.02
 2824  +5.5 3.0 103  30    00   +32.2   20.0 +15.0  +1.7 320.00 2.9  12.74
 2936  +6.2 3.0 103  30    00   +30.8   22.3 +15.0  +1.6 320.00 3.0  12.42
 3003  +6.8 3.2 103  30    00   +29.1   24.7 +15.1  +1.5 320.00 3.1  12.14
 3132  +7.8 3.2 103  40    00   +28.5   27.1 +15.5  +0.1 320.00 3.1  11.77
 3223  +8.8 3.3 103  40    00   +28.5   29.1 +15.9  -0.4 320.00 3.1  11.39
 3313  +9.8 3.5 103  40    00   +27.9   29.9 +16.0  -0.6 320.00 3.2  11.23
 3436 +11.0 3.5 103  50    00   +28.0   31.3 +16.0  -0.9 320.00 3.2  11.18
 3538 +12.3 3.6 103  60    00   +27.3   34.7 +15.0  -1.1 320.00 3.4  11.28
 3675 +13.3 3.7 103  60    00   +26.7   35.6 +15.0  -1.4 320.00 3.4  11.30
 3775 +15.3 3.8 102  70    00   +24.8   41.3 +13.3  -1.5 320.00 3.5  11.34
 3907 +16.6 3.9 103  80    00   +22.1   43.3 +13.6  -1.7 320.00 3.6  11.37
 4055 +18.2 4.0 103  80    00   +22.7   48.5 +14.2  -2.2 320.00 3.6  11.37
 4166 +20.4 4.0 103  90    00   +20.6   49.1 +14.8  -2.5 320.00 3.7  11.52
 4363 +21.5 4.1 103  90    00   +22.1   53.5 +15.0  -3.1 320.00 3.8  11.62
 4462 +23.1 4.2 102 100    00   +22.2   57.0 +14.0  -3.2 320.00 3.8  11.68
 4616 +23.9 4.2 103 100    00   +22.7   58.8 +14.5  -3.3 320.00 3.9  11.68
 4789 +24.1 4.2 102 100    00   +23.8   62.3 +14.9  -3.3 320.00 3.9  11.68
 4909 +24.5 4.2 102 100    00   +24.7   63.6 +15.2  -2.9 320.00 3.9  11.58
 5005 +24.3 4.3 103 100    00   +24.9   66.8 +15.5  -2.7 320.00 3.9  11.48
 5144 +24.3 4.3 103 100    00   +26.0   68.4 +15.5  -2.8 320.00 4.0  11.43
 5359 +24.1 4.3 102 100    00   +25.7   69.4 +15.5  -2.9 320.00 4.0  11.43
 5402 +23.7 4.4 103  90    00   +27.0   67.9 +16.4  -3.1 320.00 4.0  11.43
 5592 +23.7 4.4 102  90    00   +27.3   66.6 +16.9  -2.8 320.00 4.0  11.48
 5649 +23.3 4.4 103  90    00   +28.5   68.6 +18.1  -3.1 320.00 4.0  11.56
 5707 +23.3 4.4 103  90    00   +28.9   72.3 +18.4  -3.1 320.00 4.0  11.65
 5878 +23.3 4.4 102  90    00   +29.2   71.7 +18.6  -2.7 320.00 4.1  11.68
 5963 +23.5 4.4 103  90    00   +29.4   73.9 +18.9  -2.4 320.00 4.1  11.65
 6127 +23.7 4.4 102 100    00   +29.4   73.5 +18.4  -2.1 320.00 4.1  11.68
 6277 +23.7 4.5 102  90    00   +30.7   75.1 +20.3  -2.3 320.00 4.1  11.73
 6172 +23.7 4.4 103  90    00   +22.1   72.4 +19.6  -2.2 320.00 4.1  11.73
 6447 +23.5 4.5 102  90    00   +21.3   79.2 +22.3  -2.1 320.00 4.1  11.71
 6561 +23.3 4.5 102  90    00   +30.9   78.6 +22.3  -1.4 320.00 4.1  11.61
 6761 +23.3 4.5 102  90    00   +31.3   78.4 +22.4  -1.2 320.00 4.2  11.43
 6887 +23.5 4.5 102  90    00   +31.9   79.7 +22.9  -0.7 320.00 4.2  11.34
 6973 +23.3 4.5 102  90    00   +24.3   74.1 +24.0  -2.5 320.00 4.2  11.45
 6844 +23.3 4.5 102  90    00   +24.7   73.1 +24.0  -0.8 320.00 4.2  11.68
 7168 +22.7 4.4 103  90    00   +26.2   74.9 +24.2  -0.3 320.00 4.2  11.80
 6988 +20.2 4.3  93  70    00   +38.7   59.6 +24.7  -0.2 320.00 4.0  11.93
 7473 +14.1 4.0   0  00    01   +22.4   27.1 +20.0  +0.0 ECU.   2.7  12.68
 6761  +5.5 2.7   0  00    00   +22.8   19.2 +20.0  +0.0 ECU.   3.0  13.23
 6325  -2.2 2.7   0  00    00   +22.8    7.4 +20.0  +0.0 ECU.   1.8  12.61

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Old 07-06-2005, 03:02 PM   #2
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FP RED 8cm

Now let’s take a look at the FP Red. This tune was done on Tim’s STI, which has the FP Red in the 8cm variety, Perrin injectors and FMIC, CP Pistons, stock heads and cams, EcuTek Technology Reflash along with a UTEC. Fuel was Oregon pump 92 octane. No WI or fuel additives.

Note the "01" knock counts from the forged pistons. It makes those regardless of timing/afrs.

First is an aggressive pump tune

Dyno Plot – FP Red 8cm, 92 Octane


Comparative Dyno Plot – SR55 vs FP Red, 92 Octane


Datalog from this run:
Code:

                    Load Knock                     Mod   Mod         Mod   WB 
 RPM   MAP  MAF TPS Site Count  AFR  Ign#1  Inj#1  Ign   Fuel Boost  MAF   AFR
       psig  V   %                    deg   duty   deg    %   (CL)    V  
 1342  -6.5 1.7   9  00    00   W/B  +30.5   23.4 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   1.8  15.87 
 1371  -6.5 1.7   9  00    00   W/B  +30.3    4.8 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   1.9  15.87 
 1522  -6.1 1.9  10  00    00   W/B  +31.3    5.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   1.9  15.87 
 1661  -5.5 2.0  11  00    00   W/B  +29.9    5.1 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.0  15.37 
 1466  -9.4 1.9   9  00    00   W/B  +34.3    5.1 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   1.9  14.25 
 1464  -7.9 1.9  12  00    00   W/B  +28.5   12.8 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.0  14.25 
 1452  -6.1 2.0  12  00    00   W/B  +22.4    6.4 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.0  13.02 
 1531  -4.3 2.0  12  00    00   W/B  +21.4    6.7 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.0  12.14 
 1495  -3.4 2.0  12  00    00   W/B  +21.6    5.8 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.0  11.98 
 1584  -2.8 2.1  13  00    00   W/B  +20.4    5.9 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.1  11.96 
 1588  -2.6 2.1  16  00    00   W/B  +19.3    6.1 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.1  12.14 
 1660  -2.2 2.4  45  10    00   W/B  +17.5    8.4 +20.0  +1.3 ECU.   2.3  12.64 
 1629  -1.4 2.3 100  10    00   W/B  +14.2   24.0 +20.0  +3.1 ECU.   2.3  13.17 
 1747  -0.4 2.3 103  10    00   W/B  +14.8    9.6 +20.0  +3.6 ECU.   2.5  13.31 
 1733  +0.4 2.3 103  10    00   W/B  +15.5   10.3 +19.9  +4.5 ECU.   2.4  12.33 
 1762  +1.3 2.4 102  10    00   W/B  +17.3   10.7 +19.7  +4.5 ECU.   2.5  11.81 
 1814  +1.5 2.4 103  10    00   W/B  +17.7   12.1 +19.5  +4.5 ECU.   2.5  12.17 
 1926  +1.7 2.4 103  10    00   W/B  +19.7   11.2 +19.4  +4.5 ECU.   2.6  12.00 
 1960  +1.9 2.4 103  10    00   W/B  +20.5   12.7 +19.2  +4.5 ECU.   2.6  11.92 
 2008  +1.9 2.4 103  10    00   W/B  +21.3   10.8 +19.1  +4.5 ECU.   2.6  11.89 
 2062  +2.1 2.5 104  10    00   W/B  +21.6   11.2 +19.0  +4.5 ECU.   2.6  11.96 
 2092  +2.3 2.5 103  10    00   W/B  +22.4   10.7 +19.0  +4.5 ECU.   2.7  12.11 
 2127  +2.5 2.6 104  10    00   W/B  +22.7   11.5 +19.0  +4.5 ECU.   2.7  12.49 
 2165  +2.7 2.5 104  20    00   W/B  +22.8   11.8 +19.0  +4.5 ECU.   2.6  13.02 
 2255  +3.1 2.7 103  20    00   W/B  +23.0   12.5 +19.0  +4.5 ECU.   2.7  13.17 
 2308  +3.3 2.7 104  20    00   W/B  +23.0   13.0 +19.0  +4.4 ECU.   2.8  13.06 
 2287  +3.5 2.7 104  20    00   W/B  +22.6   13.6 +19.0  +4.3 ECU.   2.8  13.06 
 2403  +3.7 2.7 103  20    00   W/B  +22.7   14.1 +19.0  +4.2 ECU.   2.8  13.02 
 2493  +3.9 2.8 103  20    00   W/B  +22.0   15.0 +19.0  +3.1 ECU.   2.8  12.92 
 2538  +3.9 2.8 103  20    00   W/B  +22.1   15.3 +18.8  +3.8 ECU.   2.9  12.81 
 2581  +4.1 2.9 102  20    00   W/B  +21.7   15.9 +18.7  +3.7 ECU.   3.0  12.61 
 2639  +4.5 2.9 103  20    00   W/B  +21.2   17.1 +18.5  +3.5 ECU.   3.0  12.42 
 2614  +4.7 2.9 103  30    00   W/B  +21.3   17.7 +17.1  +3.1 ECU.   3.0  12.37 
 2694  +5.3 2.9 103  30    00   W/B  +21.5   18.3 +17.0  +2.9 ECU.   3.1  12.33 
 2832  +5.7 3.0 103  30    00   W/B  +21.0   20.4 +17.0  +2.8 ECU.   3.1  12.25 
 2913  +6.4 3.1 103  30    00   W/B  +21.1   22.9 +17.0  +2.4 ECU.   3.1  12.14 
 2931  +7.0 3.2 103  30    00   W/B  +20.9   23.7 +17.0  +1.9 ECU.   3.3  11.92 
 3003  +7.4 3.3 103  40    00   W/B  +20.3   25.5 +17.3  +0.5 ECU.   3.3  11.87 
 3168  +8.2 3.3 103  40    00   W/B  +20.6   26.7 +17.8  +0.3 ECU.   3.3  11.73 
 3239  +9.0 3.4 103  40    00   W/B  +20.6   28.3 +17.9  -0.5 ECU.   3.3  11.53 
 3261 +10.0 3.4 103  50    00   W/B  +20.4   29.2 +18.0  -0.8 ECU.   3.5  11.65 
 3418 +11.3 3.5 103  50    00   W/B  +19.7   31.1 +18.0  -0.8 ECU.   3.5  11.76 
 3516 +12.7 3.6 104  60    00   W/B  +18.9   35.3 +17.0  -1.0 ECU.   3.6  11.77 
 3635 +14.1 3.8 103  60    00   W/B  +16.7   37.8 +17.0  -1.0 ECU.   3.7  11.77 
 3699 +15.7 3.8 103  70    00   W/B  +14.6   44.6 +15.1  -1.0 ECU.   3.8  11.61 
 3903 +18.2 4.0 104  80    00   W/B  +13.8   46.4 +16.0  -0.7 ECU.   3.9  11.42 
 4020 +19.8 4.0 103  90    00   W/B  +11.5   49.8 +16.0  -1.6 ECU.   4.0  11.34 
 4198 +21.5 4.2 103  90    00   W/B  +11.6   55.9 +16.0  -1.5 ECU.   4.0  11.33 
 4334 +22.7 4.1 103  90    00   W/B  +12.3   62.8 +16.0  -2.0 ECU.   4.2  11.18 
 4450 +23.1 4.4 102 100    01   W/B  +12.5   56.8 +16.0  -3.1 ECU.   4.1  11.02 
 4566 +23.9 4.1 103 100    01   W/B  +15.0   68.3 +15.0  -3.0 ECU.   4.1  11.11 
 4694 +23.5 4.3 102 100    01   W/B  +14.3   61.0 +13.0  -3.1 ECU.   4.2  11.27 
 4816 +23.9 4.2 103 100    01   W/B  +18.3   72.3 +13.9  -3.3 ECU.   4.1  11.39 
 4930 +23.9 4.4 103 100    01   W/B  +15.1   66.0 +13.8  -3.4 ECU.   4.2  11.39 
 5035 +23.9 4.3 102 100    01   W/B  +15.4   74.2 +16.5  -3.8 ECU.   4.2  11.23 
 5208 +23.3 4.5 103 100    01   W/B  +15.2   69.4 +16.5  -3.4 ECU.   4.3  11.11 
 5316 +23.1 4.4 103  90    01   W/B  +13.5   75.4 +18.1  -3.4 ECU.   4.2  11.20 
 5359 +23.3 4.5 103  90    01   W/B  +13.0   75.3 +19.5  -3.3 ECU.   4.3  11.30 
 5611 +23.3 4.5 103  90    01   W/B  +12.4   77.5 +19.7  -3.3 ECU.   4.3  11.43 
 5727 +23.7 4.6 104 100    01   W/B  +12.6   81.3 +19.8  -3.3 ECU.   4.4  11.48 
 5868 +24.1 4.6 104 100    01   W/B  +12.8   81.3 +20.4  -3.3 ECU.   4.4  11.43 
 5889 +23.5 4.6 103 100    01   W/B  +13.2   80.1 +21.2  -3.3 ECU.   4.4  11.34 
 6038 +23.9 4.6 104 100    01   W/B  +15.3   80.9 +21.6  -3.3 ECU.   4.4  11.24 
 6218 +23.7 4.6 104 100    01   W/B  +15.3   81.8 +21.8  -3.3 ECU.   4.4  11.30 
 6313 +23.5 4.6 103 100    01   W/B  +16.2   83.4 +21.9  -2.9 ECU.   4.4  11.30 
 6242 +23.5 4.6 104 100    01   W/B  +17.0   84.9 +22.3  -3.1 ECU.   4.5  11.24 
 6385 +24.1 4.7 104 100    01   W/B  +18.1   87.2 +22.9  -3.0 ECU.   4.5  11.24 
 6587 +23.3 4.7 104 100    01   W/B  +18.8   89.4 +23.5  -2.6 ECU.   4.5  11.24 
 6734 +23.1 4.6 103 100    01   W/B  +19.1   86.0 +23.5  -1.9 ECU.   4.5  11.23 
 6858 +23.7 4.6 103  90    01   W/B  +19.4   84.5 +24.5  -2.1 ECU.   4.5  11.18 
 6802 +23.9 4.6 103  90    01   W/B  +20.8   83.2 +24.5  -1.8 ECU.   4.6  11.18 
 7077 +23.5 4.6 103 100    00   W/B  +21.0   84.6 +23.5  -1.8 ECU.   4.5  11.24 
 7199 +23.5 4.6 103  90    00   W/B  +21.5   83.9 +24.5  -1.8 ECU.   4.5  11.33
We also did a more conservative tune to make a better comparison with the SR55. Here is a comparative plot of this more conservative tune (380whp) vs the SR55.

Comparative Dyno Plot – SR55 vs FP Red, 92 Octane, #2


Plus, here is the datalog of said 380whp Red Tune:

Code:
2297 -10.8 1.6   4  00    00   W/B  +34.5    4.3 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   1.6  13.02 
 1604 -10.8 1.6   6  00    00   W/B  +31.6   20.5 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   1.7  13.06 
 1549 -10.0 1.7   7  00    00   W/B  +31.3    4.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   1.8  13.14 
 1555  -9.1 1.8   9  00    00   W/B  +34.9   22.3 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.0  13.33 
 1563  -7.5 1.9   9  00    00   W/B  +30.4    6.2 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.0  13.14 
 1614  -6.1 2.0  11  00    00   W/B  +25.1   10.9 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.1  12.52 
 1631  -4.7 2.1  16  00    00   W/B  +19.9    6.4 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.1  12.02 
 1655  -3.2 2.3  27  10    00   W/B  +16.4    6.3 +20.0  +3.1 ECU.   2.3  11.98 
 1713  -2.0 2.3  39  10    00   W/B  +14.1   16.3 +20.0  +4.0 ECU.   2.4  12.34 
 1714  -0.8 2.3  83  10    00   W/B  +14.1   21.5 +20.0  +4.0 ECU.   2.4  12.86 
 1812  +0.2 2.3 102  10    00   W/B  +13.7   10.8 +19.9  +4.5 ECU.   2.5  12.81 
 1867  +0.8 2.4 104  10    00   W/B  +14.2   10.7 +19.7  +4.5 ECU.   2.5  11.53 
 1906  +1.1 2.5 104  10    00   W/B  +15.6   10.8 +19.4  +4.5 ECU.   2.6  11.20 
 1912  +1.3 2.4 105  10    00   W/B  +19.3   12.4 +19.3  +4.5 ECU.   2.5  11.81 
 1959  +1.7 2.5 104  10    00   W/B  +20.8   11.7 +19.1  +4.5 ECU.   2.5  11.87 
 2028  +2.1 2.5 104  10    00   W/B  +21.5   10.8 +19.0  +4.5 ECU.   2.6  11.81 
 2061  +2.3 2.5 105  10    00   W/B  +22.2   11.2 +19.0  +4.5 ECU.   2.6  11.92 
 2113  +2.3 2.5 105  10    00   W/B  +22.6   11.3 +19.0  +4.5 ECU.   2.6  12.17 
 2172  +2.5 2.6 105  20    00   W/B  +22.8   11.5 +19.0  +4.5 ECU.   2.6  12.64 
 2213  +2.7 2.6 104  20    00   W/B  +23.1   11.8 +19.0  +4.5 ECU.   2.8  13.03 
 2318  +2.9 2.6 104  20    00   W/B  +23.1   12.2 +19.0  +4.5 ECU.   2.8  13.09 
 2354  +3.3 2.7 103  20    00   W/B  +22.6   13.8 +19.0  +4.3 ECU.   2.8  13.06 
 2386  +3.5 2.7 104  20    00   W/B  +22.9   14.0 +19.0  +4.3 ECU.   2.9  12.99 
 2415  +3.5 2.7 104  20    00   W/B  +22.4   14.6 +19.0  +4.2 ECU.   2.9  12.89 
 2519  +3.9 2.8 104  20    00   W/B  +22.9   15.5 +19.0  +4.0 ECU.   2.9  12.75 
 2583  +4.1 2.8 104  20    00   W/B  +21.8   15.9 +18.7  +3.6 ECU.   3.0  12.59 
 2647  +4.5 2.8 104  20    00   W/B  +21.8   17.4 +18.5  +3.8 ECU.   3.0  12.46 
 2664  +4.9 2.9 104  20    00   W/B  +21.5   17.5 +18.1  +3.1 ECU.   3.0  12.37 
 2761  +5.3 3.0 104  30    00   W/B  +21.5   18.9 +17.0  +2.9 ECU.   3.1  12.21 
 2868  +5.7 3.0 104  30    00   W/B  +21.1   20.8 +17.0  +2.4 ECU.   3.1  12.18 
 2970  +6.4 3.1 104  30    00   W/B  +21.0   22.9 +17.0  +2.2 ECU.   3.2  12.06 
 2989  +7.0 3.1 103  30    00   W/B  +21.0   25.4 +17.1  +1.1 ECU.   3.2  11.81 
 3138  +7.6 3.2 104  40    00   W/B  +20.6   26.6 +17.5  +0.7 ECU.   3.2  11.76 
 3126  +8.4 3.4 104  40    00   W/B  +21.1   26.2 +17.8  +0.3 ECU.   3.3  11.58 
 3277  +9.4 3.4 105  40    00   W/B  +21.1   28.8 +18.0  -0.5 ECU.   3.4  11.48 
 3422 +10.4 3.5 105  50    00   W/B  +20.5   29.1 +18.0  -0.8 ECU.   3.4  11.71 
 3472 +11.5 3.5 104  50    00   W/B  +19.7   31.7 +18.0  -0.7 ECU.   3.5  11.84 
 3607 +12.9 3.6 104  60    00   W/B  +18.6   35.1 +17.0  -1.0 ECU.   3.6  11.84 
 3720 +13.9 3.8 105  60    00   W/B  +16.5   37.6 +17.0  -1.0 ECU.   3.8  11.71 
 3858 +15.5 3.8 104  70    00   W/B  +14.4   44.5 +15.5  -1.0 ECU.   3.8  11.52 
 4016 +17.2 4.0 104  80    00   W/B  +14.3   50.6 +17.1  -1.2 ECU.   4.0  11.43 
 4130 +18.6 4.0 103  80    01   W/B  +14.5   57.7 +17.6  -1.8 ECU.   3.9  11.45 
 4374 +19.8 4.1 103  80    01   W/B  +15.7   50.7 +18.0  -2.3 ECU.   4.1  11.30 
 4629 +21.0 4.1 103  90    01   W/B  +15.9   56.8 +18.0  -3.4 ECU.   3.9  11.05 
 4578 +22.3 4.3 103 100    01   W/B  +17.4   59.7 +17.0  -3.3 ECU.   4.2  11.08 
 4655 +22.9 4.2 103 100    01   W/B  +18.4   61.0 +17.0  -4.4 ECU.   4.0  11.17 
 4873 +22.5 4.3 103  90    01   W/B  +19.3   63.7 +18.4  -3.9 ECU.   4.1  11.28 
 4990 +22.3 4.2 103  90    01   W/B  +20.3   63.3 +19.0  -4.5 ECU.   4.1  11.34 
 5184 +22.3 4.3 103  90    01   W/B  +20.8   64.6 +19.0  -4.5 ECU.   4.2  11.20 
 5324 +22.1 4.4 103  90    01   W/B  +20.7   68.9 +19.4  -4.4 ECU.   4.2  11.20 
 5473 +22.1 4.4 103  90    01   W/B  +18.8   73.3 +20.0  -4.1 ECU.   4.2  11.34 
 5668 +21.9 4.5 103  90    01   W/B  +18.6   73.1 +20.0  -4.0 ECU.   4.2  11.38 
 5757 +22.5 4.5 104  90    01   W/B  +18.6   76.5 +20.0  -4.0 ECU.   4.3  11.32 
 5878 +22.7 4.5 104  90    01   W/B  +18.8   76.1 +20.0  -4.0 ECU.   4.3  11.38 
 6127 +22.3 4.5 103  90    01   W/B  +19.3   78.0 +21.2  -4.0 ECU.   4.3  11.31 
 6325 +22.5 4.5 104  90    01   W/B  +20.7   78.0 +21.2  -4.0 ECU.   4.3  11.38 
 6207 +22.5 4.6 103  90    01   W/B  +22.0   79.3 +21.8  -4.0 ECU.   4.4  11.29 
 6265 +22.1 4.6 104  90    01   W/B  +22.9   83.7 +22.3  -3.7 ECU.   4.4  11.32 
 6561 +22.5 4.6 104  90    00   W/B  +23.6   80.6 +23.0  -3.3 ECU.   4.4  11.29 
 6858 +22.7 4.6 103  90    01   W/B  +24.5   85.1 +23.0  -3.1 ECU.   4.4  11.25 
 6973 +22.5 4.6 104  90    00   W/B  +24.6   83.8 +23.0  -2.6 ECU.   4.5  11.32 
 6872 +22.1 4.6 103  90    00   W/B  +24.9   93.8 +23.0  -0.3 ECU.   4.6  11.30 
 7077 +22.5 4.6 103 100    00   W/B  +25.5   85.7 +23.0  -0.3 ECU.   4.6  11.28 
 7092 +22.7 4.6 103 100    00   W/B  +26.2   91.1 +23.0  -0.3 ECU.   4.6  11.17 
 7168 +23.5 4.6 103 100    00   W/B  +26.7   92.4 +23.0  -0.5 ECU.   4.5  11.01

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We can also look at a few other comparisons:

Here is a look at a Perrin GT30R 3052 Kit compared with the FP Red 8CM:

Comparative Dyno Plot – GT30R-3052 vs FP Red, 92 Octane***


*** NOTE: This is not a great comparison, as the GT30R had significant water injection. However, the shape and spoolup are worth looking at.


To go along with this, take a look at the FP Red vs a 35R on my car, both on pump gas:

Comparative Dyno Plot – GT35R vs FP Red, 92 Octane***


GT35R

I also had a chance to tune my GT35R 2.5L with 104 octane. As most of you remember, I was at about 483whp on C16.

Dyno Plot – GT35R, 104 Octane


And, the datalog to go along with that:
Code:
1625  -2.2 2.2 103  10    00   W/B  +31.6    9.6 ECU.   +3.0 500.00 2.3  14.37 
 1742  -1.5 2.3 103  10    00   W/B  +31.5   10.6 ECU.   +3.0 500.00 2.3  13.17 
 1801  -0.9 2.3 103  10    00   W/B  +32.2    9.8 ECU.   +3.0 500.00 2.4  12.45 
 1854  -0.4 2.3 103  10    00   W/B  +32.2   11.1 ECU.   +3.0 500.00 2.4  12.33 
 1886  +0.0 2.3 103  10    00   W/B  +32.2   11.3 ECU.   +3.0 500.00 2.4  12.17 
 1949  +0.2 2.4 103  10    00   W/B  +32.6   11.6 ECU.   +3.0 500.00 2.4  12.00 
 2003  +0.4 2.4 103  10    00   W/B  +33.0   10.0 ECU.   +3.0 500.00 2.4  11.92 
 2088  +0.7 2.4 103  10    00   W/B  +32.8   10.7 ECU.   +3.4 500.00 2.6  11.96 
 2103  +0.7 2.5 103  10    00   W/B  +33.2   11.0 ECU.   +3.6 500.00 2.6  12.27 
 2203  +0.7 2.5 103  10    00   W/B  +33.5   11.4 ECU.   +4.4 500.00 2.6  12.67 
 2231  +0.9 2.5 103  10    00   W/B  +33.5   12.2 ECU.   +4.8 500.00 2.6  12.83 
 2266  +1.1 2.5 103  10    00   W/B  +33.1   12.9 ECU.   +5.0 500.00 2.6  12.93 
 2369  +0.9 2.6 103  10    00   W/B  +33.5   13.3 ECU.   +6.2 500.00 2.7  12.96 
 2418  +1.3 2.6 103  10    00   W/B  +33.2   14.2 ECU.   +6.7 500.00 2.8  13.02 
 2472  +1.3 2.6 103  10    00   W/B  +32.8   14.5 ECU.   +7.2 500.00 2.8  12.93 
 2544  +1.3 2.7 103  10    00   W/B  +32.7   15.5 ECU.   +7.5 500.00 2.8  12.78 
 2610  +1.8 2.7 103  10    00   W/B  +32.4   16.6 ECU.   +7.5 500.00 2.9  12.74 
 2612  +2.0 2.7 103  10    00   W/B  +32.8   15.7 ECU.   +7.5 500.00 3.0  12.71 
 2748  +2.2 2.7 103  10    00   W/B  +32.1   17.3 ECU.   +7.5 500.00 3.0  12.83 
 2741  +2.4 2.8 103  10    00   W/B  +31.6   18.3 ECU.   +7.2 360.00 3.0  12.83 
 2886  +2.4 2.8 103  10    00   W/B  +30.5   19.6 ECU.   +7.2 360.00 3.0  12.71 
 2931  +2.4 2.9 103  10    00   W/B  +28.8   20.4 ECU.   +6.8 360.00 3.1  12.61 
 2934  +2.9 2.9 103  10    00   W/B  +27.3   21.2 ECU.   +6.8 360.00 3.1  12.53 
 2976  +2.6 2.9 104  10    00   W/B  +26.3   22.2 ECU.   +6.5 360.00 3.1  12.56 
 3097  +2.6 2.9 103  10    00   W/B  +24.9   23.1 ECU.   +6.5 360.00 3.1  12.45 
 3153  +2.9 3.0 103  20    00   W/B  +23.8   23.7 ECU.   +6.5 360.00 3.2  12.11 
 3177  +2.9 3.0 103  20    00   W/B  +22.8   24.0 ECU.   +6.5 360.00 3.2  11.93 
 3303  +3.7 3.0 103  20    00   W/B  +22.0   24.7 ECU.   +6.5 360.00 3.2  11.87 
 3326  +3.7 3.1 103  20    00   W/B  +20.9   26.7 ECU.   +6.5 360.00 3.2  11.80 
 3380  +4.2 3.0 103  20    00   W/B  +20.4   26.4 ECU.   +6.5 360.00 3.3  11.68 
 3454  +5.1 3.1 103  30    00   W/B  +19.4   26.1 ECU.   +5.0 360.00 3.3  11.43 
 3501  +5.5 3.2 103  30    00   W/B  +19.7   28.2 ECU.   +5.0 360.00 3.3  11.42 
 3572  +6.2 3.2 103  30    00   W/B  +18.7   29.5 ECU.   +4.7 360.00 3.4  11.58 
 3615  +6.8 3.3 103  30    00   W/B  +17.7   32.4 ECU.   +4.5 360.00 3.5  11.49 
 3720  +6.8 3.4 103  30    00   W/B  +17.6   35.0 ECU.   +4.1 360.00 3.6  11.33 
 3787  +7.9 3.5 103  40    00   W/B  +17.5   33.1 +17.0  +0.0 360.00 3.6  11.38 
 3944  +9.0 3.6 104  40    00   W/B  +17.9   37.1 +17.0  +0.0 360.00 3.6  11.42 
 3968  +9.7 3.7 103  40    00   W/B  +18.3   42.1 +17.1  -0.2 360.00 3.7  11.93 
 4161 +11.0 3.8 103  40    00   W/B  +17.9   45.6 +17.7  -1.6 360.00 3.8  12.11 
 4295 +12.3 3.9 103  50    00   W/B  +16.5   55.0 +18.4  -1.0 360.00 3.9  12.02 
 4432 +14.1 4.1 103  60    00   W/B  +16.0   60.9 +18.8  -1.0 360.00 4.0  11.73 
 4636 +17.2 4.1 103  70    00   W/B  +17.1   66.0 +18.7  -1.5 360.00 4.1  11.47 
 4816 +19.6 4.2 103  80    00   W/B  +18.2   70.0 +18.2  -2.4 360.00 4.1  11.33 
 4982 +20.7 4.3 103  70    00   W/B  +18.0   73.6 +19.0  -2.2 360.00 4.2  11.37 
 5112 +22.2 4.3 103  70    00   W/B  +20.7   77.6 +19.5  -2.2 385.00 4.3  11.30 
 5333 +23.1 4.4 103  90    00   W/B  +21.6   81.9 +20.9  -1.5 410.00 4.3  11.39 
 5428 +22.9 4.4 103  80    00   W/B  +21.6   84.4 +21.6  -2.0 410.00 4.4  11.52 
 5630 +24.0 4.5 103  80    00   W/B  +22.1   84.9 +21.5  -2.0 460.00 4.4  11.67 
 5767 +24.0 4.5 103  80    00   W/B  +23.2   89.4 +21.8  -2.0 460.00 4.4  11.68 
 5868 +24.1 4.6 103  80    01   W/B  +23.5   90.0 +21.9  -2.0 460.00 4.5  11.68 
 6082 +25.5 4.6 103  90    00   W/B  +23.6   89.1 +22.4  -1.8 460.00 4.5  11.62 
 6253 +27.1 4.6 103 100    01   W/B  +22.5   92.8 +22.4  -1.3 460.00 4.5  11.68 
 6253 +27.5 4.6 103  90    00   W/B  +23.5   90.9 +23.4  -1.7 460.00 4.5  11.58 
 6587 +26.8 4.6 103  90    01   W/B  +22.7   97.0 +24.4  -1.1 460.00 4.5  11.65 
 6761 +25.6 4.6 103  90    01   W/B  +21.2   97.6 +25.4  -1.0 460.00 4.6  11.73 
 6872 +25.8 4.6 103  90    00   W/B  +20.5   95.7 +26.0  -0.2 460.00 4.6  11.61 
 6901 +25.3 4.7 103 100    01   W/B  +21.4  ---.- +24.8  +0.0 460.00 4.6  11.78 
 7032 +28.2 4.7 103 100    01   W/B  +21.6   95.2 +25.0  +0.0 460.00 4.6  11.68 
 7122 +27.7 4.6 103 100    00   W/B  +23.0  ---.- +26.0  +0.0 460.00 4.6  11.65 
 7407 +28.6 4.7 102 100    01   W/B  +22.4  ---.- +26.0  +0.9 460.00 4.6  11.61 
 7423 +27.6 4.7 103 100    00   W/B  +23.4  ---.- +26.0  +0.9 460.00 4.6  11.68 
 7558 +26.4 4.7 101  90    00   W/B  +24.0  ---.- +25.5  +1.0 460.00 4.6  11.66 
 7374 +27.7 4.7 103  90    00   W/B  +24.2  ---.- +26.0  +1.0 460.00 4.6  11.62 
 7593 +27.1 4.7 102  90    00   W/B  +25.0  ---.- +26.0  +1.0 460.00 4.6  11.63 
 7751 +27.4 4.7 103  90    00   W/B  +25.6  ---.- +26.0  +1.0 460.00 4.6  11.66 
 7824 +27.1 4.7  81  90    00   W/B  +26.2   90.9 +26.0  +1.0 LCM.   3.2  11.68
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When looking at the Red vs the SR55, it is clear that it spools just as fast, and provides just a much, if not more topend. I suspect when pushed on 104, it will be able to get 420-450whp on our dyno. That is a significant gain over the SR55 for less $. On the counter, the SR55 is much eaiser to install, and the actual lag might be slightly less in real conditions.

When I rode in the SR55 car at 380whp, it felt very strong.

Moving to the GT30R-3052 vs the Red, the GT30R has a very strong position. It has very good if not better spool, and on pump gas makes great power. On race gas it might be a tad behind, but probably not by much. The rotated intake makes installation eaiser as well.

While the 35R is better up top, around town the Red or 30R would be much better. The extra lag of the 35R makes it all but a drag/track day machine. NOS would of course help that out a lot.

I would love to hear from other tuners about thier results, datalogs, etc. I found the Red and SR55 both pretty easy to tune, but the SR55 was more sensitive to timing limited knock.

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This brings alota info to the table...and i'm sure it will help many to decide what turbos to get....and what turbos not to.

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Jeff: Thank you.
For the record. FP Red IWG. GT35R EWG Dump into downpipe. Correct?
My mistake, I'll update the post above as well.

FP Red and SR55 both Internal Gate.
GT30R-3052 and GT35R both 44mm Tial External into downpipe (Perrin Kit)

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As usual another great scientific analysis from the PDXTuning crew

great job, keep it up.

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Its very cool for a utec owner like myself to check out pro-tuned utec logs. Thanks!

What injectors are you using on the gt35r car?
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Thanks PDX, good analysis for the sr55. All we need now is for you guys to do the deadbolt sz55 with the fatboy turbine. What's nice to know is the fp red has a larger compressor 65lbs and spools just as fast as the sr55. In terms of the supporting the community you guys have no equal!
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Its very cool for a utec owner like myself to check out pro-tuned utec logs. Thanks!

What injectors are you using on the gt35r car?
That is my car, which are PE800s. Note the fuel pressure is set to about 52psi static, so they would look like something in the 850-900cc range.

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Damn, that's making me consider more and more grabbing a GT30R. Or maybe a GT30/40, with the GT40 compressor and GT30R hotside...

My GT35R spools nicely at the drag strip and on the highway, but it's just not as much fun as a smaller turbo would be. I'm surprised at high early the perrin 30R spools up. Isn't the 3052 a "small" GT30R? The "true" GT30R is the 3076 right?
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Excellent post. Do Tim or your customer have any plans to take their cars to the track? I'm interrested in some 1/4 mile trap speeds.
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Very nice and greatly appreciated.

If possible can you overlay a green against the red. I'm already wanting more than my green It's a sickness, a good one I guess.

Also can you PM me a price on forged pistons, a FPred and a three inch inlet pipe. If I'm gonna go red might as well rebuild before failure... Also, what clutch do you recomend?

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Jeff,
From the results its clear that the FP Red with the 8cm housing is delivering more power in the midrange (i.e. spooling faster as well perhaps?) and is not that far off in the top end. What A/R is your GT35R exhaust housing?

I know there is still more to discuss just on the 3 setups that you have tested and shown results. However, what do think about a rotated turbo with the GT35R CHRA compressor/exhaust wheel with a 0.63 A/R exhaust housing? I think you know which turbo I'm talking about Could they have engineered it to spool faster and deliver more midrange? Also from your post; you mentioned, drag racing with a GT35R and no NOS is not that simple, it is hard to lunch the car even with launch control (as you mentioned); again this may say something about the certain company using a smaller A/R on the exhaust housing. Again I am not denying the top end power a true GT35R can deliver as it is evident in your results ~ Maximum peak hourspower - Kingpin GT35R 500 dynojet whp. And as Clark has speculated, the bigger A/R exhaust housing allow for more top end power. But really how fast these things go in a 1/4 mile? I have no idea?

Again thank you. And the above statement is just for sake of intelligent/informative/useful communication. I am not GT35R bashing and/or insulting any person, turbo, and/or tuner/company.

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The injectors go static with the GT35R setup at 6500 rpms on the 104 octane dyno session...

Any reason why you tuned it that way???
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The injectors go static with the GT35R setup at 6500 rpms on the 104 octane dyno session...

Any reason why you tuned it that way???
No.. In this run they are static at 6900 rpm and up. In other runs, and on the street, it is typically around 92-95%. After running on the dyno I did some street tuning to get the AFRS closer (they are never exactly the same from the dyno), and targeting around 11.7-11.8 I was in the 94-96% range. Obviously there are problems in running so close to 100%, and I'm looking for some larger injector options right now. My experience has been that the AFRs don't change much when going from 95 to 100% due to the open/close time.

These are PE800s.

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Damn, that's making me consider more and more grabbing a GT30R. Or maybe a GT30/40, with the GT40 compressor and GT30R hotside...

My GT35R spools nicely at the drag strip and on the highway, but it's just not as much fun as a smaller turbo would be. I'm surprised at high early the perrin 30R spools up. Isn't the 3052 a "small" GT30R? The "true" GT30R is the 3076 right?
The GT3076 is the FP3052, with a different turbine housing. The GT3076 is what I have, with the .63 turbine housing, and I'm moving to a .82 housing. The FP3052 is about a .7 housing from what I've heard.

The .63 housing on the street is an absolute beast on the GT30R. 22psi by 3800rpm in 4th gear, 4150 in 3rd. But it lacks a bit on the top end, and there is some backpressure issues with the 2.5L (no worse than the FP Red though).
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Jeff,
From the results its clear that the FP Red with the 8cm housing is delivering more power in the midrange (i.e. spooling faster as well perhaps?) and is not that far off in the top end. What A/R is your GT35R exhaust housing?

I know there is still more to discuss just on the 3 setups that you have tested and shown results. However, what do think about a rotated turbo with the GT35R CHRA compressor/exhaust wheel with a 0.63 A/R exhaust housing? I think you know which turbo I'm talking about Could they have engineered it to spool faster and deliver more midrange? Also from your post; you mentioned, drag racing with a GT35R and no NOS is not that simple, it is hard to lunch the car even with launch control (as you mentioned); again this may say something about the certain company using a smaller A/R on the exhaust housing. Again I am not denying the top end power a true GT35R can deliver as it is evident in your results ~ Maximum peak hourspower - Kingpin GT35R 500 dynojet whp. And as Clark has speculated, the bigger A/R exhaust housing allow for more top end power. But really how fast these things go in a 1/4 mile? I have no idea?

Again thank you. And the above statement is just for sake of intelligent/informative/useful communication. I am not GT35R bashing and/or insulting any person, turbo, and/or tuner/company.

Peace.
The GT35R I am using has the .82 AR turbine housing. I believe the 35R on the fast PR cars, and most of the Kingpin ones are the 1.06 housing. For pure drag racing, Once you launch and run to redline you generally don't drop much below 5500 rpm, so the 35R will probably work well. (once you get the launch figured out). If I were running NOS, the 1.06 might be a much

Around town, the 35R feels much more laggy then the Red. With 104, the 35R of course feels stronger and holds all the way to 8500 rpm. I have not tried the .63 housing, but I might give it a try.

I think with a great launch and good shifting the 35R makes a good drag race setup, as is evident by the spectacular low 10s from the PR guys. Around town, the Red or GT30R makes a better setup however.

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Excellent info.

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The GT35R I am using has the .82 AR turbine housing. I believe the 35R on the fast PR cars, and most of the Kingpin ones are the 1.06 housing. For pure drag racing, Once you launch and run to redline you generally don't drop much below 5500 rpm, so the 35R will probably work well. (once you get the launch figured out). If I were running NOS, the 1.06 might be a much

Around town, the 35R feels much more laggy then the Red. With 104, the 35R of course feels stronger and holds all the way to 8500 rpm. I have not tried the .63 housing, but I might give it a try.

I think with a great launch and good shifting the 35R makes a good drag race setup, as is evident by the spectacular low 10s from the PR guys. Around town, the Red or GT30R makes a better setup however.

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Jeff does this mean that you are going to forgo the GT40? I am just curious because the 35R did such a good job despite the lag in spool. The 35R looks like a pretty strong drag turbo, but how do you think that it would do on a track like PIR? Would the Red be better? Thanks for the awesome write up
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Great data again PDX.

Thanks for comparing these popular turbo setups and shedding some light on how cars perform on the same dyno with roughly the same mods (besides turbo) in roughly the same conditions. Great information for the Subie community.
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The GT3076 is the FP3052, with a different turbine housing. The GT3076 is what I have, with the .63 turbine housing, and I'm moving to a .82 housing. The FP3052 is about a .7 housing from what I've heard.

The .63 housing on the street is an absolute beast on the GT30R. 22psi by 3800rpm in 4th gear, 4150 in 3rd. But it lacks a bit on the top end, and there is some backpressure issues with the 2.5L (no worse than the FP Red though).
I would expect that an external wastegate (a big enough one anyway) should be able to take care of backpressure issues, no?

I was debating this with myself. I figure a .63 would be perfect for a street car with a 44mm gate. Obviously you can't completely compensate for a small turbine since you will lose some efficiency and introduce turbulence to the flow, but seems like it would work nicely. Once the wheel's spinning, just open the gate and who cares how well/poorly the snail flows...

The one you're talking about with the .63 isn't an internal-gated housing, right? What wastegate do you have on there now that you're having backpressure issues?

Thanks for the info
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No, my gate is external. Tial 44mm. But, both Jason's car and my car have high EGT issues. Now... my car has ALWAYS had EGT issues, and I think its the gauge at this point (Defi). I've seen as high as 1800 degrees on this setup, and a 4th gear pull nets me 1700 degrees. Imagine a 2nd gear pull and seeing 1650F! Jason sees the same thing (also a defi gauge). This is with water injection btw. We've both added alcohol as well... we've added timing (via race gas), we added fuel, we've removed fuel, I've changed out my probe... nothing seems to help.

The car hauls.... there is nothing wrong with it. Jason put down consistent 116mph runs on Friday night at the drags, with 92 octane/104 mix and water injection. Its just a little spooky seeing EGTs that way, LOL!

So, I'm going to try the larger housing, see what the results are.

Its gone month after month with this kind of "abuse". I figure, exhaust housing's are fairly cheap ($250~) and if I get more top end, and don't lose spoolup, with the added benefit of lower EGTs, I'm all for it.

Whats frustrating is I look at Sponaugle's peak with his 35R, and I see 1550 or so. He can run a lot more timing as well.... which again points to backpressure issues.
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lets see how much crap you get for helping everyone this time jeff

thanks for the posts
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