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View Poll Results: Which Front Rotors would you Purchase?
FrozenRotors (Front) Plain Non-slotted $230 per pair 9 40.91%
FrozenRotors (Front) Slotted $???? per pair 2 9.09%
RacingBrake CG Slotted Rotors (Front) $280 per pair 2 9.09%
Stoptech Slotted OEM Replacement $200 per pair 9 40.91%
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Old 07-07-2005, 05:09 PM   #1
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I'm currently deciding on which Front rotors to go with. The car will be tracked at most 2 times out of the year with a couple of autox a month.

1. FrozenRotors Plain (Front) $230 per pair
2. FrozenRotors Slotted (Front) $??? per pair
3. Stoptech Slotted OEM Replacement (Front) $200 per pair
4. RacingBrake CG Slotted Rotor $280 per pair

I'm also debating whether it would be worth doing the H6 Rear Brake Upgrade. or leaving it the stock size and getting plain FrozenRotors in the rear. What are your opinions?

This will be for a 04 WRX.
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Old 07-07-2005, 06:52 PM   #2
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The bias + heat capacity + looks improvement of the "H6" is almost a no-brainer IMO.

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Old 07-07-2005, 09:26 PM   #3
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The bias + heat capacity + looks improvement of the "H6" is almost a no-brainer IMO.

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Yay! Got mine all ready to go on at the weekend. Stoptech lines + Bobcats all round. I'm leaving the front rotors stock until they need replacing.

PMI but what exactly are aftermarket - but stock-sized - rotors going to do for you... apart from longevity maybe?
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Old 07-07-2005, 09:27 PM   #4
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#1.....and just DO the 'h6'.....no doubt.
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Old 07-07-2005, 11:27 PM   #5
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Old 07-08-2005, 12:27 AM   #6
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I have the dba 4000's in front and the 657's in back
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Old 07-08-2005, 12:30 AM   #7
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I have the dba 4000's in front and the 657's in back
OOhhh very much interested in these.... what are your experiencces with them?

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Old 07-08-2005, 12:42 AM   #8
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OOhhh very much interested in these.... what are your experiencces with them?

...the slots take a bit of getting used to....a bit of noise and vibration.....but I have beat on these brakes a great deal and they do very well, I think

not cheap, but a quality, proven, product.
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Old 07-08-2005, 12:44 AM   #9
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Would upgrading the rear rotors instead of using the OEM H6 rotors be of any benefit?
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Old 07-08-2005, 12:45 AM   #10
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Would upgrading the rear rotors instead of using the OEM H6 rotors be of any benefit?
NO.

DO the 'h6'....the dba 657 is an 'h6' size rotor
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Old 07-08-2005, 12:57 AM   #11
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I understand that they are the same size... I was just wondering would using the 657's be of any benefit compared to using the rotors that are usually packaged up with in the H6 Conversion...
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I understand that they are the same size... I was just wondering would using the 657's be of any benefit compared to using the rotors that are usually packaged up with in the H6 Conversion...
.....the stock rotors are pretty good.....ya don't have to buy a 'package'....just the caliper brackets and whatever rotors ya want.
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Old 07-08-2005, 01:57 AM   #13
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frozen stock rotors are the best option. And yes, you should do the H-6 upgrade in the rear. Although I'm still searching to see if I should do the '02-'04 H-6 Legacy/Outback brackets and rotors, or the '05 LGT brackets and rotors. Some say the '05 LGT are bad, some say they're better, and I am left confuddled.
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Old 07-08-2005, 07:21 AM   #14
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frozen stock rotors are the best option
Because... ?
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Old 07-08-2005, 09:48 AM   #15
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Because the cryo-treating extends the life of the rotors by a LOT.

I love the looks of the StopTech and RacingBrake rotors, especially with the black hats. Cool-looking, and won't surface rust. Their quality I'm sure is excellent, too...

I don't know, tough decision.
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frozen stock rotors are the best option. And yes, you should do the H-6 upgrade in the rear. Although I'm still searching to see if I should do the '02-'04 H-6 Legacy/Outback brackets and rotors, or the '05 LGT brackets and rotors. Some say the '05 LGT are bad, some say they're better, and I am left confuddled.


....you are mixing your systems......
...the '05LGT requires the entire rear LGT brakes, including the calipers.....

.....the 'h6' requires the rotors and caliper brackets only(hafta remove/bend the rear dustshields)....
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Old 07-08-2005, 12:23 PM   #17
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Is the vibration you get from the dba 4000 a common issue with all slotted or just with that model?

I'm also deciding between the Frozen Rotors nonslotted and the DBA 4000
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....you are mixing your systems......
...the '05LGT requires the entire rear LGT brakes, including the calipers.....

.....the 'h6' requires the rotors and caliper brackets only(hafta remove/bend the rear dustshields)....
My mistake. Is there any advantage using the '05LGT over the H-6? I was pretty deadset on purchasing the H-6, but if the '05LGTs perform better...

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Because... ?
Siper said it best...cryo-treating a rotor helps to extend its life. No it doesn't increase brake performance, but for the low cost of cryo-treatment, it's definitely worth it.

And those aftermarket rotors won't do much that your stock rotors can't...they're a perfectly good set of rotors. Unless of course you want that blingety bling bling cross-drilled look for a show car...or slotted rotors to prevent glazing and to clean contaminants off of the rotors. Although solids are preferred for most people...
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Hehe... I was yanking your chain a little... it kind of amused me how you were so definite about "the best option" and what the OP "should do [the H6 upgrade]"... but you're still deciding... I guess I need to get out more

The LGT rear setup is vented (vs solid for the H6) BTW. Personally, I can't justify it when the H6 calipers are free.
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Hehe... I was yanking your chain a little... it kind of amused me how you were so definite about "the best option" and what the OP "should do [the H6 upgrade]"... but you're still deciding... I guess I need to get out more

The LGT rear setup is vented (vs solid for the H6) BTW. Personally, I can't justify it when the H6 calipers are free.
I WAS definite, and then all of a sudden people started talking about '05LGTs and I was like whaa?!?!

Vented setup WOULD be nice...not sure if the larger price tag justifies that difference though.
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Old 07-08-2005, 04:39 PM   #21
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I'd just like to add my 2 cents. I've had brake kits ranging from 378mm brembo racing, to 330 stoptech big brake kits, stock GT3 brakes, stock wrx, stock STi, and multiple rotors/pads/lines for STi - all in the last 5 years.

Cryo treated sure does seem to increase life, by at least 30% in my opinion.

I still think slotted it the way to go, but many people including touring cars opted for none.

Stoptech makes a great product and if we're just talking rotors/hats Ion performance seems to be very good, but the one thing everyone seems to be neglecting is weight savings! I know of at least two manufactures that offer aluminum or even titanium hats. 7-11 lbs per corner is huge people.. worse weight to have sitting on the wheels. I would just sugest adding in weight to you over-all 'which is best' factor.


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I'd just like to add my 2 cents. I've had brake kits ranging from 378mm brembo racing, to 330 stoptech big brake kits, stock GT3 brakes, stock wrx, stock STi, and multiple rotors/pads/lines for STi - all in the last 5 years.

Cryo treated sure does seem to increase life, by at least 30% in my opinion.

I still think slotted it the way to go, but many people including touring cars opted for none.

Stoptech makes a great product and if we're just talking rotors/hats Ion performance seems to be very good, but the one thing everyone seems to be neglecting is weight savings! I know of at least two manufactures that offer aluminum or even titanium hats. 7-11 lbs per corner is huge people.. worse weight to have sitting on the wheels. I would just sugest adding in weight to you over-all 'which is best' factor.
Of course Stoptech makes a great product, they along with Brembos are the biggest names in braking business. But for most people, our primary concern is money!! And Stoptechs and Brembos are not cheap. Of course if I had a pure track car for a professional event, I'd definitely spring an extra bit of money into the brakes...the most important aspect about a car is its ability to stop. But for now, cryo-treated stock rotors seem to be the most cost-efficient option.
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I WAS definite, and then all of a sudden people started talking about '05LGTs and I was like whaa?!?!

Vented setup WOULD be nice...not sure if the larger price tag justifies that difference though.
The only advantage to going to the LGT 290mm vented rear is more heat capacity. The "H6" rotor is more than a match for the heat the rears will see IMO.

That being said, I have the LGT style vented rears on my car, but thats because my stock rear calipers were incompatible with the H6 upgrade. I HAD to swap the entire rear setup so I figured why not go with the 290mm vented rear. Of course this was 3 years ago and well before there was a USDM LGT to source off os. Back then we had to go to Japan and get them off BE/BH B4 and GT-Bs.

If you have an older(generally 98 or older) Subaru that doesnt have an H6 compatible rear caliper, the LGT setup would still be my choice.

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And I chose option one of the choices. If you are considering tracking the car, the slotted rotors would be a better choice.

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The only advantage to going to the LGT 290mm vented rear is more heat capacity. The "H6" rotor is more than a match for the heat the rears will see IMO.

That being said, I have the LGT style vented rears on my car, but thats because my stock rear calipers were incompatible with the H6 upgrade. I HAD to swap the entire rear setup so I figured why not go with the 290mm vented rear. Of course this was 3 years ago and well before there was a USDM LGT to source off os. Back then we had to go to Japan and get them off BE/BH B4 and GT-Bs.

If you have an older(generally 98 or older) Subaru that doesnt have an H6 compatible rear caliper, the LGT setup would still be my choice.

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Ah I see, thanks for your help. I guess I'll stick with my H-6 rotors, even with the shifted brake bias, the fronts will definitely see more heat and abuse at the tracks. But I'm planning to go larger up front with Subaru 4-pot calipers.

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And I chose option one of the choices. If you are considering tracking the car, the slotted rotors would be a better choice.

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I do intend to track the car, and only tracks...possibly rallying when the car gets old and i don't really care about the paint condition much anymore. personally I think the concept of the autoX is sinfully boring...but that's just me.

But I'm not going to go out and do some crazy 20 or 30 lap runs like some guys do. I just plan to go out..do 8-10 laps per run, pit in, do maintenance checks, bleed brakes, take a shot of Red Bull, and off I go.
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