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Old 07-08-2005, 12:06 AM   #1
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Y'all know who you are...

A quick recap: so I swapped in '02 wrx sedan struts and spt springs (the blue ones, i think they were made by eibach and just rebadged) into my '97 OB.

and just like the rest of you, my rear ended up lower than my front. But hey, if it lets me take bends at 10-15 mph faster (not a murmur from the rubber either!), I could live with it.

But now I actually do want to try and make it look, you know, less off-balance. So anyone have any ideas about how to raise the rear? I'm about to swap in '02 wagon springs (compassion for my passengers), but I don't think the spring height will make any difference...

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Old 07-08-2005, 08:17 AM   #2
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IMHO, I don’t think the WRX struts/springs work very well in the BD/BG, especially with aftermarket wrx springs. I know a ton of people run them, but when you start getting into the various aftermarket springs available, they’re all designed with a different car in mind.

I ran WRX sedan struts with Hotchik performance springs all the way around on my sedan. The springs lowered 1” in the rear and 1.5” in the front on a wrx. On the Legacy however, they slammed my front to the point where the top of the wheel was well past the fender opening, and the rear tucked pretty good too.

I ended up keeping the wrx struts but went back to Legacy top hats and springs (Whiteline Control) which work great. My point here is that many get away with stock wrx struts/springs on their BD/BG, but when you want to upgrade them the parts developed simply aren’t designed for the car being installed on...which can produce undesirable results.

Good luck…
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Old 07-08-2005, 07:32 PM   #3
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I have the WRX struts with the PRODRIVE wrx springs and it looks and performs great. The stance is even and no more squating like when i had the black SPT springs.
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Old 07-08-2005, 11:44 PM   #4
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i have wrx struts and S-tech springs and i sit level as well. i'm going back to Leg GT stuts though, for the extra inch of clearance. some guy was selling a set of BG springs on the boards, he might still have them. the problem is your sedan springs are too light for the rear. the wagon springs are about 400lbs stiffer. i had the same prob you had till i switched to my teins..
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Old 07-09-2005, 04:09 AM   #5
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hmm, scoobiegt, mind giving me a ride one of these days? Just like to feel what your ride is like. I think I've got the SPT springs you had (I don't know why I said they're blue, because I think they're really black).
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Old 07-09-2005, 07:17 AM   #6
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hmm, scoobiegt, mind giving me a ride one of these days? Just like to feel what your ride is like. I think I've got the SPT springs you had (I don't know why I said they're blue, because I think they're really black).


Holy Crap! I feel Like our cars were sperated at birth or something. I just saw the pic of your car (Slow 56k BTW) and My Legacy is black but with Gold P1's and my car use to squat like yours
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http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=771209

Yea sure I can let you ride shotgun sometime.
Do you go to any of the SoCal meets?

I have LGT Springs for sale to whoever was looking for them.

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Old 07-09-2005, 12:58 PM   #7
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lol, NICE!!! I just saw your pics. Looks like the Prodrive springs really helped with the stance. Time to start searching... Maybe I'll just give my passengers butt cushions to compensate for ride harshness.

And no, I've never actually gone to any of the meets. I should, I'm just too lazy..
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Old 07-09-2005, 01:13 PM   #8
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In order ot get the car to look right you will have to change out the top hats, front top spring perches, spring insulators, and struts. As well as use a good aftermarket spring for the wrx.

I will not repeat this again.... Do NOT use wrx struts on a Legacy Outback wagon. You can do damage to the car. Do it right instead of quick. It costs a hell of a lot less in the long run.
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Old 07-09-2005, 01:23 PM   #9
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Always good to hear from you Russell!

Care to explain the negative consequences of using wrx struts on an Outback? And are you talking about Outbacks specifically or all Legacy wagons? Inquiring minds want to know...
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if you wanna check my stance with wrx struts and s-tech springs.. here ya go, cause i cant figure out how to post pics. http://photos.yahoo.com/spdracr00
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Old 07-09-2005, 03:22 PM   #11
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well the wrx struts don't have enough dampening rate for the extra weight of the Legacy wagon. Not only will you bottom them out but because they are much softer (comfort) they will actually wear out the strut top mounts faster because they are not built in to a system. To say wrx springs don't work isn't true at all. I use KYB agx struts for a wrx, H&R springs for a wrx, STI group n top mounts, All wrx perches, camber bolts, lower a arms, everything. Its the only way to do it right with out having look issues and performance issues.

I always hear people saying that wrx springs and struts work great, but looking further into it will show that it just doesn't work unless the whole system is taken into account.

Plus the fact that you will never be able to properly align the cars suspension if everything isn't changed out.

I spent upwards of 6 grand to get the suspension right and i am happy with it to a point. I have ordered some new toys to be put on the car soon. I am going to be going to a full coilover very soon. Along with camber plates aluminum a arms and a big brake kit all around. Plus i am gonna be getting the Cusco rear link set up. The coilovers will be custom valved pieces with 14kg and 12 kg spring rates.
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Old 07-09-2005, 05:13 PM   #12
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The 1997 4EAT outbacks had a curb weight of 3230 lbs (according to an auto channel review).
The 2002 WRX wagons had a curb weight of 3165 lbs (according to SCC).

That's a 65 lbs difference, and less with a 5MT. Do you think it makes that much of a difference to the struts? I don't know what the weight distribution is on the Legacy (the WRX is 60 front/40 rear I think), but I don't think it's all that different.

I didn't really encounter any alignment problems either - had a pretty well-respected alignment shop do it (Westend Alignment in Gardena, for those of you around Los Angeles).

Russell, you're probably right, in that swapping the entire package is the best way to get optimal results. But since I don't go to the track or auto-cross, I'm not too inclined to drop 6k on the suspension!

FWIW, I'm looking to swap in relatively new 04 WRX struts and top mounts (about 7k miles) with Prodrive springs sometime soon.
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Old 07-09-2005, 07:02 PM   #13
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FWIW, I'm looking to swap in relatively new 04 WRX struts and top mounts (about 7k miles) with Prodrive springs sometime soon.
That's what I swapped in (04' wrx struts with Hotchick springs) and it was too low all the way around. Not sure if it was the springs or what, but they were rated at 1" drop rear and 1.5" drop front, at least for a wrx. This in turn slammed my BD Legacy... Good Luck...
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Old 07-09-2005, 10:43 PM   #14
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the wrx has a 60/40 weight distribution where as the legacy wagon has a 40 60.
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Old 07-10-2005, 09:28 AM   #15
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the wrx has a 60/40 weight distribution where as the legacy wagon has a 40 60.
so WRX has 60 front 40 rear and the lagacy has 40 front 60 rear???
that's pretty nice if it's true

anyway I didn't see anyone metion it but how about Ground Control???
adjustable height perches and the springs themselves are made by Eibach right???
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Old 07-12-2005, 05:23 PM   #16
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Correct, a GC setup is one of the most effective ways to level the car, and bypass any issues with spring diameters, etc.

My car's pretty dialed, though underdamped (which Is why I'm finally swapping out struts tomorrow)




You can adjust each corner independently, change spring rates easily, etc.

FWIW, 6 grand seems like a *lot* of coin for that amount of suspension work.
WRX struts will be underdamped, but will work OK if you've got the spring rates set up OK.

My car is running GC coils, WRX struts (soon to be swapped out for a hybrid V5/V8 setup), and WRX hats to make everything easy.

I'll probably swap out to some WRX bits when I do my swap, just becuase they're there and my car's got 190k on it, but my car aligns fine, drives fine, and handles great....
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Old 07-12-2005, 05:31 PM   #17
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Incidentally, why does everyone who mods an OB start with a 97-99 Limited in BGP or burgundy?
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Old 07-12-2005, 06:05 PM   #18
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The reason why it costs me so much Sybir, was because i bought all new not used parts. All right over the subaru parts counter.
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That'll do it, then
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Old 07-12-2005, 07:12 PM   #20
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hey sybir, did you steal my wheels??

and as for why we all start with BGP or burgundy Ltd OBs... beats me. But methinks if you're ever down this way, we should all get together for a killer photo shoot (and of course, explore some twisties).
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Old 07-12-2005, 07:35 PM   #21
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Definitely

I just happend into the 18's; my Gram Lights wouldn't clear my new brakes, and my friend was looking to get rid of his P1's
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Old 07-12-2005, 10:25 PM   #22
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what brakes did you get? i'm debating b/w just getting OEM wrx takeoffs, or going for a big brake kit all around. but i don't see why i'd need all that brake for 170+hp (plus i'm getting coilovers, which means I'm out $$$).

oh and just so this post is relevant to the thread: I'm solving my saggy butt by getting coilovers.
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Old 07-13-2005, 06:08 AM   #23
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Kmin,

Sweet, What type you got your mind on?
I have the New Slotted WRX rotors for you. All you need now are the WRX brackets.

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Old 07-13-2005, 12:38 PM   #24
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I'm getting Megan Racing coilovers. They're actually pretty cheap ($900 shipped) and have gotten good reviews (check the suspension forum). I think I'll be the first Legacy to put them on, and I'll be sure to review them when I do.

But it's gonna have to wait a while tho' - I'm leaving for Singapore next week, and won't be back till mid-August.

Yeah, I'm working on getting the wrx brake setup... someone was gonna sell me the entire thing, but he has no power tools to get them off his car...
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Old 07-13-2005, 05:19 PM   #25
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I've got Wilwood 4pots on the car at the moment, but they're getting swapped out as I speak for a set of 328mm Stoptechs
Might seem like overkill, but the WRX swap, VF34, pinks, and 3" TBE sitting at the shop means I'll need them soon enough
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