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Old 07-09-2005, 12:16 AM   #1
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I'm looking at a job that requires lots of driving. The catch is about 40 - 50% could be gravel country roads. Assume a WRX with 17" wheels to clear Brembo brakes. Assume 4,000 miles a month.

I doubt rally tires would live long, and I'm sure they would be wicked on dry pavement. So what am I left with; all seasons?
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Old 07-09-2005, 12:38 AM   #2
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an all season M+S or switch the backing plates and go w/ gp N brakes so u can run some 15 or 16" wheels. u amy want the extra sidewall for comfort.
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Old 07-09-2005, 01:05 AM   #3
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I hate RE92s for everything except what you are looking for. IMO, they are a pretty decent mixed gravel and tarmac tire. And, since 98% of WRXs never leave pavement you can pick up RE92s pretty cheap. ~150 a set as take offs

Other tahn that, Nokian WRs are the only other on/off road tire I've spent any time with. Comperable to RE92 in gravel but MUCH better in snow.
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Old 07-09-2005, 01:43 AM   #4
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I hate RE92s for everything except what you are looking for.
I 2nd that, I spend about 10% of the mileage on gravel and I have used RE92s, Falken 512s & Toyo Proxes 4s. Believe it or not, I think the RE92 tops on gravel. The Toyo are best in dry. If you are looking for something in between with ~1,500 miles a month on gravel, I personally will choose the 512s, very decent gravel and dry, but the best in rain out of the 3, IMO.

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PS. I am running stock size on all 3 type of tires
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Old 07-09-2005, 02:19 AM   #5
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an all season M+S or switch the backing plates and go w/ gp N brakes so u can run some 15 or 16" wheels. u amy want the extra sidewall for comfort.
No can do. Full STi driveline swap. Need the Brembo rear's.

I actually liked the RE92s for gravel when I got the car. Not so much for braking, but they seemed pretty decent on a roll with predicable drift behaviour.

Maybe I can find someone selling their Legacy GT tires...
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Old 07-09-2005, 02:34 AM   #6
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When the guys at SCC had their first WRX they put a set of BF Goodrich KDWS on and raved about them for that kind of mixed driving.

I've used my winter combo - "classic" RS wheels, Blizzak LM-22, stock size - for mixed driving like that and have been really pleased. For a dedicated winter tire they've held up to long distance pavement - CO and back, several times - and mountain road gravel far better than I would have expected. Probably won't wear as well as the RE92s in the long run, but I like them better in any environment, including dry pavement.

Sounds like a dream job for a Rex owner
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Old 07-09-2005, 04:27 PM   #7
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First, I would go to a 235/45-17 tire for that little bit of extra sidewall. For the tire itself, there are a few things to consider:

1) The compound matters on pavement and on gravel. A sticky summer performance tire will have better traction than a harder four season tire.

2) You want a more open tread pattern with discrete blocks, rather than long uninterupted bands. Like the KDW. NOT like the Michelin PS2.

3) Sidewall strength is important. A stiff summer tire will flex less and protect your wheels better.
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Old 07-09-2005, 05:02 PM   #8
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Why not the PS2?? That would be my tire of choice.
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The PS2 has relatively soft sidewalls and connected tread blocks with very little void. That tread pattern won't do it any favors on loose surfaces.

With gravel rally tires, the sidewall and bead are very stiff and reinforced, to prevent sidewall punctures and (more common) to prevent sidewall pinch and getting gravel between the bead and the wheel.

The tread pattern consists of individual sharp-edged blocks of rubber, with some space in between them. This allows the tread to move around a bit, and get the rubber blocks down through the loose stuff where there is more traction.

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Old 07-10-2005, 01:10 PM   #10
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What about the Continental ContiExtremeContact tire? It's one I'm concidering for my next tire. I think the pattern will fair nicely on gravel and offer good bite.

the Nokian WR is the other one I'm looking at, but that's because I live in Minnesota, and a good snow oriented tire would be quite useful. The soft compound, flexability, and tons of sipes could really help on gravel.

For gravel, a soft compound, straight edged blocky pattern seems to catch really well. A "ribbed" style pattern works very well for side bite, although it lacks some in braking power.

So far the best tire I've used on gravel was Firestone's Indy 500 tire. The compound is plenty soft(yet very, very long wearing), and the tread pattern is nice and blocky, sharp and squared off. It digs in really hard when new when the edges are still square. After you wear off the outside corner a bit, it doesn't have the initial rock hard bite, but the tires continue to grip really well. They are also unphased by loose gravel or even muddy surfaces. They just don't care what you drive over and continue to provide solid cornering and braking. Too bad you won't find a low profile 17" version of it though. I'm sure you'd hate their very spongy handling too, very unnerving when they're new to you. If you don't mind the uberspongy handing, they grip like crazy on pretty much everything but icy surfaces. It's a wonderful tire for a truck, not so much for a stiffly sprung sports car.

My next choice would be the ContiExtremeContact for its aggressive tread pattern. I don't know if there's anything better out there for an on-road oriented tire. Beyond that, I think others have suggested another good compromise, high performance winter tires. I think their soft compounds and many biting edges will prove very useful on gravel. I'm just not sure how you'd like them on pavement being a bit lower in grip and more mushing in feel than a performance tire, summer or all-season. It's all tradeoffs and what percentages of performance you're looking for.
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Sorry for bringing this one back from the dead, but I am looking for a set of designated summers that will be good on pavement and spirited gravel/rally tires. I searched and couldn't find anything recent.
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Sorry for bringing this one back from the dead, but I am looking for a set of designated summers that will be good on pavement and spirited gravel/rally tires. I searched and couldn't find anything recent.
My post from 5 years ago still stands. And both Nokian WRs and WRG2s are fine for general gravel use, but not for rally type practice (ie spend all day breaking wheels loose on gravel). For that go buy a used set of rally tires and knock your socks off. Once you have spent time with a real set of rally tires, nothing comes close.
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WRG2 for sure. I have used these on up north wisconsin logging roads and they were amazing, gravel,dirt,mud,snow they did great in all conditions
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