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Old 08-09-2001, 09:17 AM   #1
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Well, I installed my Brullen exhaust the other day, and I thought that I should tell you all what I found.

For starters, I STILL dont have the catalytic converter, so I am running the system with the "test pipe" So if you order this system, plan on being patient, due to late shipping, not all parts making it as soon as expected, and difficulty getting in contact with them to resolve these issues.

Ok, so that being said. It is LOUD! or at least louder than I had really wanted, but once I put the "cat" in, I am sure that it will quiet down dramatically.

Installation, was more difficult than it should have been, due to two seperate issues.
1-one of the nuts holding the factory downpipe was cross-threaded, causing much swearing & kicking.
2-the two mounting holes on the NEW downpipe dont line up with the bolts that hold it to the car.

Other than having to "elongate" the mounting holes with a hacksaw, the installation was straightforward from there back except, the section of the rear pipe that mounts near the rear diff. sits very close to one of the diff bolts, and I am surprised that it doesnt, or has yet to, bang against the diff. But so far, no conflict.

The most interesting thing about this whole situation is that I am running with no "cats" and after 3 days, I still havent had a CEL.
Strange, huh??

Power, well so far it seems pretty good, It has been Extremely hot & humid here and the car still pulls as hard if not harder than it did in the cooler weather, and I have been using the AC a lot, yet the car seems just as strong as when I dont use the AC. So I am pretty happy with the power gains.

overall, I havent been able to do side by side comparisons with any other exhaust systems, so the gains are hard to rate. the two 3.5" tips look fantastic, like they belong there. So appearance wise, its good.
I am satisfied with it, but I am not sure that I would buy this system again. I am not thrilled with the customer service (shipping procedures), nor am I that happy with the fit of the final product. I think that the performance gains are definitely on par with all of the 3" systems out there, I just wish that it was a bit more "polished" when it comes to final fit.

Hope that this gives you all a bit more insight into this product so that you can make an even more educated decision when you are shopping for your own exhaust system.
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Old 08-09-2001, 09:32 AM   #2
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Thanks for the review. I was on the verge of ordering a Brullen dual tip cat-back 2.5 inch system, mostly because GTB-Guy said it could be ordered to be "quiet". I wondered about the fit, and it looks like there were problems. Better to wait some more I guess.
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Old 08-09-2001, 10:11 AM   #3
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can you post any pictures? I was really interested in the same system you ahve only the medium loudness setup with a high flow cat. I really would love to see those 3.5" tips. Thanks
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Old 08-09-2001, 10:32 AM   #4
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Here's the answers to your "concerns"

1) You have no cat and the system is loud b/c the place you got your Brullen from : "Tom Payne's Technologies" who sourcing it from TRi Tuning, which claims exclusive rights to the "wild/loud" Brullen set-ups. If you wanted a "quiet" or "medium" set-up, you should've just came to me to get it.

2) It was posted by TRi Tuning that these were the "Race" versions, hence the reason why you don't have a cat right now, for the "Race" systems, the cat is an option. With the cat in place, you will notice that it won't be as loud.

3) The downpipe fitment issue may be due to drivetrain differences, everything was done on a jig made on a 5spd vehicle, hence if your car is an auto, there could be some fitment isssues.

4) As for the rear section coming close to the differential housing, it was made like that to minimize the angle of bends as well as maximize flow, it will not get in the way of the option rear differential protector as well. These systems flow on par with other "race" spec systems such as a SYM's or Cusco units, which have the "N1/Fireball" look to them.

5) As for the no CEL issue, we intentionally designed it that way, reason being that the CEL is annoying, and also it "may" throw a CEL later down the line, but will be resolved with the hi-flow cat in place.

One question for you though, do you notice any "drooning" at cruising speeds?

6) As for shipping procedures, well, they were ready, only thing was that payment hasn't been made, hence the reason why it didn't ship. As I mentioned before in my posts, if you want one to your tastes, it will be at your door step in 3-4 weeks from time of payment. Please don't mix-up your customer service experience with Tom Payne's and myself.

7) Regarding your concern about the final fit, so far we haven't had any problems, as there are several guys that we did Alpha and Beta testing on (both WRX Wagon and Sedan) here in Canada before releasing the product. To my knowledge, there are no differences in emissions units here in Canada and the US, hence fit shouldn't have been a problem. I will definately take a look into this.

However, I would like to thank you for your review Constructive criticism is always good for the refinement of a product.

bedabi - I can't remember if you have a WRX or a RS, but the Queit systems are not loud, trboCIVIC&WRX's system is a Race system, with the loud/wild acoustic set-up. There have been no fitment issues with all the cat-back units to date thus far.

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Old 08-09-2001, 11:30 AM   #5
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trboCIVIC&WRX - I forgot to ask if you have access to a sound recording device, as I'm sure everyone would like to know how loud the "wild/loud" acoustic set-up is with no cats on a WRX
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Old 08-09-2001, 11:42 AM   #6
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thanks for the response.

Coupla' things...

I should have clarified that I got mine from TRI tuning, not from you.

yes, I have a 5spd. and like I said there are fitment issues. but I resolved them as mentioned.

as for the cat, yes, they are optional, but I (we) ordered one, so where is it? you obviously know my story, so do you have any more info on the ETA of the cat?

no CEL,
How did you intentionally design it that way?

Yes, drooning, if you want to call it that.

So if I want one to my tastes, how do I get one, now that I have this one?

Thanks.
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Old 08-09-2001, 11:50 AM   #7
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Guys,

Some of you will definitely like the way it sounds.
I just wanted a "smidge" quieter.

as for pics, it might be a while.

as for sounds, Yeah, I can probly, get some together, it is just getting the time. And then, I dont have any place to post them.
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Old 08-09-2001, 12:19 PM   #8
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trboCIVIC&WRX -

About the cats, TRi's order didn't include any unit's with Cats, I only found out myself that he needed the cats this week (ie: via email on Monday). All of the systems that TRi ordered were all "Race Only" and "Wild/Loud" systems. This was posted clearly on TRi Tuning's post.

Cats will hopefully be ready to ship in about 2 weeks or so (max). So hopefully that won't be too long for you.

I remember you PM'd me before (a little while ago), about the Turbo-back units, I'm not sure why you went to TRi if you wanted the Quiet/Medium set-up. But since you want it a "smidge" quieter the hi-flow cat should definately tone it down a little.

As for the CEL issue, it's a "secret" So if I tell you, I'd have to kill you j/j Reason why we designed it so it shouldn't throw a CEL, is that if your engine does throw a CEL, then it'll diagnose the "real" problem, rather than an intentional modification.
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Old 08-09-2001, 12:25 PM   #9
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Nice review trbo. I'll have to swing down there and take a little to the car. Maybe we could meet at The Front this weekend and have a couple pints of Oberon.

Are you going to the dream cruise? I'll probably be hanging out with the Redline guys.


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Old 08-09-2001, 01:29 PM   #10
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GTB-
Long story why I didnt order from you, wish I had.
oh well..too late now.

two weeks eh? why cant somebody @ TRI just say that???

I am sure that the cat will solve my volume complaint. I just want to take the "edge" off.

Thanks for filling me in with the inside line...


-Mbiker- Hey, you still driving the camry???
Just kidding. This weekend isnt good for me. got "nights of fire" at milan. (my girlfriends race team is driving) Yeah, I'll be at the cruise, I dont know if I'll bother bringing either car, but I'll be there. Maybe we can get together some other time.
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Old 08-09-2001, 01:32 PM   #11
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trboCIVIC&WRX - no probs, I'm glad you like it so far, you're one of the few exclusive people to have it thus far

As for the cats, I'll see if it can be any sooner, but like I said, 2 weeks till they ship.

Well, you're system is the next closest thing to our "Rally" version, which ofcourse doesn't have a muffler at all!


Again, thanks for your review.

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Old 08-09-2001, 01:36 PM   #12
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Yikes!!! it can get even louder???

Well, after all, the WRX IS a rally car right?


Sooner would be great, But as long as it is coming... we just havent had any answer from TRI about a delay. well no answer at all, really.

Thanks again.
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Old 08-09-2001, 02:01 PM   #13
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trboCIVIC&WRX - Yup, there's an even louder system than yours, utilizes 3.5" Stainless Steel Mandrel bends, one piece down-pipe. Trust me, it's Freaking LOUD!


Oh yeah, forgot to ask you if you could change the heading of the post to : "Brullen WRX turbo-back (Race version) Review" ? That would be a little more informative (also please mention this is the "Wild/Loud" acoustic set-up), as to describe what the post is about. Thanks
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Old 08-09-2001, 02:12 PM   #14
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whats in it for me if I cahnge the heading?

Just Kidding.
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Old 08-09-2001, 02:21 PM   #15
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...changed the heading of my first post. However we are stuck with the name of this thread. Unless we get a moderator involved. I guess. Otherwese I just have no idea how to do it.
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Old 08-09-2001, 02:27 PM   #16
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As for the CEL issue, it's a "secret" So if I tell you, I'd have to kill you j/j Reason why we designed it so it shouldn't throw a CEL, is that if your engine does throw a CEL, then it'll diagnose the "real" problem, rather than an intentional modification.
GTBGUY -

Not to doubt you, but how is this possible? The ECU determines whether or not to throw a CEL for emissions based on a comparison between the first O2 sensor and the second O2 sensor. If there is not enough difference between the two, it WILL throw a CEL. 'Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but someday, and for the rest of your life....'

trboCIVIC&WRX -

Three questions : The system didn't enclose instructions about modifying the O2 sensors or any wiring, did it? The O2 sensor bung underneath the car didn't appear to have any catalyst matter in it? Also, have you gone on the highway for an extended period of time? (e.g. say 65-70 mph consistent for about 30 miles or so) This is the behavior that causes my CEL - I can reset it and it won't go back on until I drive on the highway (which sucks, because I have a 35 mile commute every morning so it's not worth resetting)

Just curious?
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Old 08-09-2001, 02:40 PM   #17
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obscure-

Good questions, as well as good catch on the "secret sauce" I dont understand the lack of a CEL myself. or the possible design to avoid it.

anyways, answers...
no, no wiring mods.
no, no catalyst material, though it does work, and it is a neat trick.
no, no extensive highway miles yet.

hope this helps.
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Old 08-09-2001, 02:51 PM   #18
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Obscure411 - as I mentioned : "should not " thus minimizing chances of it doing so.

It's all in the design my friend It's worth the little extra for the R&D that's put into each of the Brullen systems. Not to mention the limited lifetime warranty, wide variety of set-ups (tip styles and acoustic preferences)and full T304 Stainless Steel construction.

Which downpipe are you using? Do you or do you not have a cat right now?

trboCIVIC&WRX - well, the title I suggested is more descriptive that's all. All you need to do to change the Thread's heading is go to your first post to change the title. It's as simple as that

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did that already. I guess that I expected it to change the name in the forum listing.
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trboCIVIC&WRX - thanks
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Obscure411 - as I mentioned : "should not " thus minimizing chances of it doing so.
It's all in the design my friend It's worth the little extra for the R&D that's put into each of the Brullen systems. Not to mention the limited lifetime warranty, wide variety of set-ups (tip styles and acoustic preferences)and full T304 Stainless Steel construction.
Which downpipe are you using? Do you or do you not have a cat right now?
GTBGUY - I'm still a little shaky in how that's possible, but time will tell.

I'm using the BPM twin-dump downpipe. I have one highflow cat, and I know why I'm getting the CEL. It's cause my friend decided to change the O2 plug underneath the car while I was inside getting a beer, so the O2 is now before the cat instead of after

I'll fix it sooner or later.
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Good questions, as well as good catch on the "secret sauce" I dont understand the lack of a CEL myself. or the possible design to avoid it.

anyways, answers...
no, no wiring mods.
no, no catalyst material, though it does work, and it is a neat trick.
no, no extensive highway miles yet.
Neither do I. Guess we'll find out.

Let us know what happens after your first trip on the highway (30 miles or so). That's more than likely when the ECU will do a catalyst efficency check.
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Cool. My buddy just got a house off of Webster so I'm down there every once in a while. Anyway have fun at the races, hopefully you can run yours too.

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You certaintly didnt order it from me You ordered it from one of our dealers, Tom Payne. All our dealers are told 2 weeks Mis-communication there somewhere. Sorry.

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Thanks for chiming in chris...

Yes, I got it through tom. But he didnt know about the 2 week time period either.

But thanks for the update...
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