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Old 07-12-2005, 08:55 PM   #1
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My RE92s are about half gone....

With the amount of rain we get here in ATL I think I want tires similar to the GoodYear Aquatreads, but I haven't seen them on TireRack etc...

What are some good wet weather tires that are built to combat hydroplaning/or have good wet grip (and good dry grip too).

I've got an 04 Legacy sedan with the GT rims...205-55/16

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Old 07-12-2005, 09:16 PM   #2
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well you need to determine if you want summer or all-season

for summer, falken fk451 seems to be a fav for superior wet traction
for all-seasons, havent really heard anybody complain about either falken ziex or pzero nero m+s
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Old 07-12-2005, 11:03 PM   #3
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If you are looking for a summer tire, the Potenza s-03's are amazing in the wet. I was really suprised at how good they are for a high performance tire. They are definitly better than anything else I've driven on in the rain. In wet (not standing water) they have more traction than the re-92's do in the dry. In standing water, I've gone through big puddles at 60mph+ and never had them hydroplane yet **knock on wood**
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Pretty much any modern summer tire, max performance or ultra high performance, will outperform the RE92s in the dry and in the wet. You just need to decide how much you're willing to spend.

I've been very happy with Toyo Proxes T1-S's and Goodyear Eagle F1GS-D3's on my car.

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well you need to determine if you want summer or all-season

for summer, falken fk451 seems to be a fav for superior wet traction
for all-seasons, havent really heard anybody complain about either falken ziex or pzero nero m+s
sorry 'bout that...

I think all-seasons are my best bet, we get like one 'snow' storm a year here, maxing out at like 3" that's melted off by 10am.
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I've been happy with my Goodyear F1 GS-D3s that I got from TireRack. They're a good daily-driver summer tire in the dry or rain.

I agree with what others have said... just about anything will be an improvement over the stock RE92's.
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Old 07-13-2005, 02:25 PM   #7
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sorry 'bout that...

I think all-seasons are my best bet, we get like one 'snow' storm a year here, maxing out at like 3" that's melted off by 10am.
then you just gotta determine your budget

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I have had more tires than anyone on earth, and I think the Cooper SLE sports are great. All season, W rated (168mph), great in snow and rain. I paid $85 each with a bit of a hook-up, (205-55-16) put on my Audi A4.

Toyo proxes-4 is decent too. (not FZ4)

Yokohama AVS ES100 are great in rain, but not a winter tire at all.
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I have had more tires than anyone on earth, and I think the Cooper SLE sports are great. All season, W rated (168mph), great in snow and rain. I paid $85 each with a bit of a hook-up, (205-55-16) put on my Audi A4.

Toyo proxes-4 is decent too. (not FZ4)

Yokohama AVS ES100 are great in rain, but not a winter tire at all.


es100's suck balls....wet....dry....summer....winter....on the moon....
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thanks for the help guys, now I'll just wait until the RE92s are d-e-d dead and see who has the best prices around!!
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es100's suck balls....wet....dry....summer....winter....on the moon....
I think not. Have you had a set? I have them on a '68 camaro w/427 and they stick fine in wet and dry. Also had them on my A4, I also loved them on it too untill it snowed then I got the SLE sport coopers.
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I think not. Have you had a set? I have them on a '68 camaro w/427 and they stick fine in wet and dry. Also had them on my A4, I also loved them on it too untill it snowed then I got the SLE sport coopers.


...I guess you have never had a set of REAL performance tires....right......if you like the es100's......they suck balls.

really.
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<---Pirelli Pzero Nero's here. LOVE THEM. Fantastic all around grip. Quieter than my old Kumho 712's.
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...I guess you have never had a set of REAL performance tires....right......if you like the es100's......they suck balls.

really.

Don't just guess, I have had P-zero assemetrico's (damn good tire), many different race tires(hoosiers and MT) both nice, Yoko AVS sport, A520,A032, A048 all nice, allredy been through Falkens ST615 (not too shabby), Tons of other tires BFG's, goodyear F1's, some garbage like kuhmo HP's,712 or? Toyo T1's, FZ4 and proxes 4. T1's were my favorite out of the two. Also many truck tires. I go through cars like most go through doors. They always seem to need rubber as soon as I buy them too. I also get them at a dealers price so that helps.
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I say u should check out kumho asx's
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Don't just guess, I have had P-zero assemetrico's (damn good tire), many different race tires(hoosiers and MT) both nice, Yoko AVS sport, A520,A032, A048 all nice, allredy been through Falkens ST615 (not too shabby), Tons of other tires BFG's, goodyear F1's, some garbage like kuhmo HP's,712 or? Toyo T1's, FZ4 and proxes 4. T1's were my favorite out of the two. Also many truck tires. I go through cars like most go through doors. They always seem to need rubber as soon as I buy them too. I also get them at a dealers price so that helps.
I don't guess the es100's suck.....they may jsut suck less than some of the other junk you listed.
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^ i have es100s and although they seem ok in the dry they are trash in the wet if you try to push them. i will not buy these tires again. they are however better than dunlop fm901s and kumho 712s, which were my other choices at the time. they are rather loud too and given there performance the noise is not worth dealing with.
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I try not to push any car too much in the rain. Maybe that's why I never saw a problem. My camber was also how it should be.
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^ i have es100s and although they seem ok in the dry they are trash in the wet if you try to push them. i will not buy these tires again. they are however better than dunlop fm901s and kumho 712s, which were my other choices at the time. they are rather loud too and given there performance the noise is not worth dealing with.
wow, you really know how to pick em

kumho 712, dunlop 901, es100...you pretty much scored the hatrick on the most hated tires on nasioc
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I don't guess the es100's suck.....they may jsut suck less than some of the other junk you listed.
I think you may need to adjust your thermostat Unca Scotty. There are varying degrees of good and bad. I think saying the ES100 suck is a bit extreme. Ok, they aren't as good as (fill in the blank) but they are much better than (fill in the blank).

I know you like your MXs. What else, specifically, makes the ES100s look bad? I'm a little surprised at the T1S being called "junk". Do NASIOC people consider a small collection of tires (MX, FK451, Z212, S03, PS2...?) to be the best and the rest junk?

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I think you may need to adjust your thermostat Unca Scotty. There are varying degrees of good and bad. I think saying the ES100 suck is a bit extreme. Ok, they aren't as good as (fill in the blank) but they are much better than (fill in the blank).

I know you like your MXs. What else, specifically, makes the ES100s look bad? I'm a little surprised at the T1S being called "junk". Do NASIOC people consider a small collection of tires (MX, FK451, Z212, S03, PS2...?) to be the best and the rest junk?

..."SOME".... didja miss tht word???

...and there are valid reasons that some tires are better than others....they WORK WELL......some DON'T....and I have owned and driven many of the ones that people use here and the es100 is not a good choice, for the $$$....

Wake up, and realize that there are valid reasons for most things being the way they are...and it isn't just someone WANTING them to be that way....got it???
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..."SOME".... didja miss tht word???

...and there are valid reasons that some tires are better than others....they WORK WELL......some DON'T....and I have owned and driven many of the ones that people use here and the es100 is not a good choice, for the $$$....

Wake up, and realize that there are valid reasons for most things being the way they are...and it isn't just someone WANTING them to be that way....got it???
Actually, I have no idea what the last paragraph meant but the second, now that's what I was looking for. In my book (an maybe some others?) there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between "suck balls" and "not a good choice, for the $$$" The quality of a tire should not have anything to do with its price. That is the domain of Value.

Let's take, for example, the KuhmoMX. Great tire just a couple of months ago. Now comes along the Hankook 212 for 35% less money. It makes me think that the MX is no longer a good choice(we can debate that somewhere else, if you please). It is "not a good choice, for the $$$" but does it "suck balls"?

I don't want to turn this thread into a debate on writing technique but "SOME" people in these forums seem incapable of defining anything without declaring it "awesome" or "junk". That makes it hard for some people to get a good feel for the value of things.
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wow, you really know how to pick em

kumho 712, dunlop 901, es100...you pretty much scored the hatrick on the most hated tires on nasioc

that was the price range i as looking at last year and i paid $113.50 each for 225 45 17 es100s with free mounting / balancing from friends shop. it was a tough deal to pass up. my friend also had them on his WRX too and liked them so i figured why not.
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Actually, I have no idea what the last paragraph meant but the second, now that's what I was looking for. In my book (an maybe some others?) there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between "suck balls" and "not a good choice, for the $$$" The quality of a tire should not have anything to do with its price. That is the domain of Value.

Let's take, for example, the KuhmoMX. Great tire just a couple of months ago. Now comes along the Hankook 212 for 35% less money. It makes me think that the MX is no longer a good choice(we can debate that somewhere else, if you please). It is "not a good choice, for the $$$" but does it "suck balls"?

I don't want to turn this thread into a debate on writing technique but "SOME" people in these forums seem incapable of defining anything without declaring it "awesome" or "junk". That makes it hard for some people to get a good feel for the value of things.


....d00d....this is 100% absolutly pointless....you have VERY little tire knowlege, but are trying to argue over semantics....FORGET IT.
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