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Old 07-13-2005, 12:36 PM   #1
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Default How does this sound for suspension?

What I'm looking for in suspension - Higher performance, a better feel, etc, but I don't want a harsh ride. I put thousands of miles on my car per month, most being highway miles. So, coilovers are out of the questions.

What I have right now: BBS RK 17x7's with 225 tires. Eventually, I'd like to get 18x8's and run a 245, but that's a ways down the road. I REALLY want S401 wheels.

I also have iON springs, and I love them.

What I'd like to get is the following:

KYB GR2 shocks - ~$230 from eBay
Hotchkis front and rear end links - $150 from B4R
Whiteline Anti-Lift Kit - $170 from B4R
Whiteline Adjustable Rear Sway Bar - $170 from B4R
Whiteline Front Sway Bar - $150 from B4R
Cusco Rear Strut Tower Bar from B4R - $200

Am I missing anything? Do I need all of that? Should I go with anything other than that? Thanks.
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Old 07-13-2005, 12:52 PM   #2
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>Do I need all of that?

Well it really depends on your own subjective definition of better feel and higher performance, doesn't it?

I'd suggest just checking the private for sale classifieds for used stuff though - most of the wrx suspension stuff is a direct bolt-on, e.g. endlinks, alk, etc. I got whiteline endlinks for $25 that way.
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Old 07-13-2005, 01:17 PM   #3
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sounds good to me.
what rubber are you running? I think that will come more into play with all those mods.
oh, what about tophats?
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Old 07-13-2005, 01:20 PM   #4
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I have Falken FK 451 GR-Beta's. 225/45/17.

What about tophats? You tell me. What should I do??

What all from the WRX will swap over to my BE Legacy?

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Old 07-13-2005, 01:34 PM   #5
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What all from the WRX will swap over to my BE Legacy?
nothing, unfortunately.

Those are nice tires. thinking about getting them myself.
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Old 07-13-2005, 03:13 PM   #6
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Looks good although I will go with the IPD rear sway because it is cheaper and skip the front sway. I have purchased the whiteline streering rack bushings, my local vendor gave me both sizes because we were unable to determine which size works. I will let you guys know when I get them installed. Not sure if the endlinks are necessary.
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Old 07-13-2005, 03:27 PM   #7
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Why should I skip the front sway bar? I know a front strut tower bar is for the most useless, but I thought the sway bar made a difference. Also, why should I upgrade top hats?
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Old 07-13-2005, 03:39 PM   #8
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i think the stiffer top hats will give you a bit more response in your struts + springs.

taken from www.fastwrx.com:

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The Blitzen's strut tops are made of firmer rubber than our US-spec parts, which enhances steering feel and turn-in and reduces body roll.
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Old 07-13-2005, 03:55 PM   #9
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i think the stiffer top hats will give you a bit more response in your struts + springs.

taken from www.fastwrx.com:

this also makes the ride a bit more harsh. Depends on just how much you want from the car. If you aren't doing any tracking or AutoX tophats would seem to be an expensive unneccessary. That is, if you go with something like the GroupNs. Just replacing yours with new, OEM type might not be to bad, as they will still be a bit less worn than yours and you know they'll last, etc.

I had to make the same decision, and I just went with Springs/Struts.

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Old 07-13-2005, 05:14 PM   #10
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From what I have read most people think a front sway bar is overkill.
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Old 07-13-2005, 05:16 PM   #11
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So really, all I need for a respectable suspension setup are springs, struts, lower rear sway bar, and since my sedan is a BOAT, an anti-lift kit?
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Old 07-13-2005, 06:28 PM   #12
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Sounds good to me. I agree with new tophats, I get a boing sound when hitting bumps which I believe is the worn out tophats. Stock or KYB is said to be good.
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Old 07-13-2005, 06:37 PM   #13
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What I'd like to get is the following:

KYB GR2 shocks - ~$230 from eBay
Hotchkis front and rear end links - $150 from B4R
Whiteline Anti-Lift Kit - $170 from B4R
Whiteline Adjustable Rear Sway Bar - $170 from B4R
Whiteline Front Sway Bar - $150 from B4R
Cusco Rear Strut Tower Bar from B4R - $200

Am I missing anything? Do I need all of that? Should I go with anything other than that? Thanks.[/quote]

--For the KYB's I would buck up and get the AGX's. The GR2's are ok, but are basically just a stock replacement with a slight added performance. IMO your springs will be underdamped. My H&R's are.

--Don't bother with the end links they are a waste of money. If you start braking stock links then consider it but for the set up you have and the driving you will do they are un-neccessary.

--ALK is great, get it!

--Rear sway bar is great, get it!

--Don't worry about the front bar for the time being as the Whiteline one is not much different from stock.

--I personally wouldn't bother with the rear strut tower bar, but that's your choice.
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Old 07-13-2005, 08:20 PM   #14
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There are no AGX's for BE/BH unless they are new.
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Old 07-13-2005, 08:26 PM   #15
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The agx will work with different parts. This has been covered a lot, probably by tora. You use imprezza bits to make it all work out. Better struts, but definitely more work and money.

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Old 07-13-2005, 09:31 PM   #16
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How much more work and money? What would go into it?
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Old 07-13-2005, 09:36 PM   #17
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do a search and I'm sure you will find out.

Edit: Looks like all the info I found was about the BD/BG. For those cars the only difference was that the Impreza front spring perches are 1/2" higher. some reports of the rear squatting too much also. I'm sure tora will chime in on the situation with the AGXs and the BE/BH.


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Old 07-13-2005, 11:32 PM   #18
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<<<=== has GroupN strut mounts (tophats) for sale
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Old 07-14-2005, 12:03 AM   #19
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Do you want a comfortable ride? or a road holding ride? It is hard to have both unless you go with an air suspension. Then you just let the air out and lower the vehicle for the road holding and when cruising long distance inflate raise up a bit and ride on a cushion of air.

Also for a comfortable don't feel every pot hole ride you should have larger 60+ tires. 45's will let you feel every bump even more. A better, more cushy, seat can also make a big difference. I still like the Mercedes seats with the air cushioning. They are great.
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Old 07-14-2005, 08:19 AM   #21
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stock tires aren't even that large.
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Old 07-14-2005, 08:54 AM   #22
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The sidewall height of a 245-45 will be fine (110.25mm). The tire will also make a difference though. A Hankook RSII or Falken Azenis will transmit more road force to your suspension (and in turn your butt) than something like Kumho 711 Ecsta that has a softer sidewall.
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Old 07-14-2005, 02:01 PM   #23
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... but I don't want a harsh ride. I put thousands of miles on my car per month, most being highway miles. So, coilovers are out of the questions.
Coil-overs aren't harsh by nature. Coil-overs with excessively high spring rates and/or crappy damping are harsh. I see this type of statement all the time on this Forum and it just isn't correct. I will guarantee you that my GC coil-overs with Koni dampers provides a better ride than any KYB combo - the Koni dampers are just that much better. With that said, I don't think you have any need for adjustable coil-overs.

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What I'd like to get is the following:

KYB GR2 shocks - ~$230 from eBay
Hotchkis front and rear end links - $150 from B4R
Whiteline Anti-Lift Kit - $170 from B4R
Whiteline Adjustable Rear Sway Bar - $170 from B4R
Whiteline Front Sway Bar - $150 from B4R
Cusco Rear Strut Tower Bar from B4R - $200

Am I missing anything? Do I need all of that? Should I go with anything other than that? Thanks.
As others have already said, don't bother with the front sway bar. I have one on my car but it was the last thing I did to the suspension to try to maximize my auto-x performance. It's not something you need for a nice handling road car.

If you want to avoid ride harshness, make sure you get the "Comfort" ALK.

The rear strut tower bar probably isn't going to do much for you, either. I have one of those, too . I can't say I noticed any difference in handling or feel after installing it. Maybe on a wagon, but on a well-boxed-in sedan chassis I don't think it's doing much.

I vaguely recall that there were Bilstein struts on one of the performance models for this body style, maybe on the B4? It might be worth looking into acquiring those.

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I vaguely recall that there were Bilstein struts on one of the performance models for this body style, maybe on the B4? It might be worth looking into acquiring those.

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I believe that's where the "B" came from, actually. I would do that, but B4 parts are just STUPID expensive.

After reading the posts, I think this is what I'm going to do for now:

KYB GR2 Struts
Whiteline Rear Sway Bar
Whiteline Anti-Lift Kit

Should I consider anything else? Would anything else make any sort of noticible difference? Thanks.
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might as well throw in some good endlinks while your in there...
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