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Old 07-17-2005, 08:34 PM   #1
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So I've got the CAI, I have a full exhaust system minus the cat pipe (still stock), and I just purchased the Perrin short shift adapter and modified my stock shift lever to be lower than any other aftermarket lever (feels great). Most recently was the platinum performance spark plugs.

Now I'm selling this old JDM integra gsr motor (b18c1) that was my brothers and he never got around to selling it so I will try and sell it for roughly 1800-2000, Sound good? im planning on taking half of whatever i make and this is why i started this thread.... I need opinons on what i sohuld use the money for. Here are the options I layed out for myself.

Option #1- Some decent non dampness adjustable coilovers cause I do not want to be the one to adjust coilovers, and i believe that the people who make it are best at matching specs on it. Some Perrin Pulleys and Spark plug wires.

Option #2- Camshafts designed for N/A and Turbo cause I do plan on moving to forced induction some time in the future, if you know of any cams that fit my needs please point them out to me. Perrin Pulleys and spark plug wires.

Option #3- Camshafts designed for N/A and Turbo and a rallitek ecu, and perrin pulleys.

Option #4- last but not least just save the damn money for the turbo kit.

EDIT: oh yea my short shifters better than yours!! hehe
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Old 07-17-2005, 09:28 PM   #2
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no your short shifter is prob harder to shift now that you cut the stick,

real shifters > ghetto cut crap

performance spark plugs? why the hell did you waste your cash on that

depending on what your mods are id go suspension, get some nice spring/struts or coilovers(i like whiteline)

rear swaybar with mounts and endlinks

get some shifter bushings
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Old 07-17-2005, 09:43 PM   #3
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hate to pop your bubble, but you cant turbo your engine as you think it would... maybe 6psi max. The engine block isnt meant for forced induction. If you want a turob car... maybe save money for a wrx engine swap

so after that little explanation, all is left to option 1
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Old 07-17-2005, 09:44 PM   #4
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No i'm not kidding Piker i got my friend who has an STi short shifter assembly with a kartboy shortshifter and bushing to drive my car and he said that my shifter is way better feeling it isn't hard at all it just slides right into gear with the least amount of throw possible, I USE MY FINGER to push it into gear lol. I used 15,000 dollar machines to cut the lip of where the knob sat on and then used a grinder to cut off some of the thread and then screwed the knob back on and it shifts beatifully It could only go downhill from there. The spark plugs really did help with the backfire i hear a reduction in pops over stock plugs, plus it was only 10 dollars what was the worse that can happen.

Jesse you are wrong I've seen numerous amounts of people with turbo'd RS's with stock motor.... one of them beign Crawford Performance who said to me he ran the Avo kit on stock motor at 10 psi 250whp for 2 years with no problems it just takes proper tuning. Do not tell me it can't be done cause i've seen it.
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Old 07-17-2005, 09:46 PM   #5
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as i said in another thread i dont know what you guys are doing for the car to backfire but my car only does it on some rev matching and its usually when i dont do it properly
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Old 07-17-2005, 09:48 PM   #6
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what the hell are you talking about this thread isn't even about that please just drop the subject of the spark plugs. I just need opinions. If you can't do that and your too obsessed with my spark plugs dont reply to me. Oh and by the way i didn't hear pops while rev matching i heard it while just revving in neutral.
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Old 07-17-2005, 09:51 PM   #7
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what? you really are pathetic

i answered some of your questions in my first post, maybe your to dumb to realize that

and no there are no cams that are made for NA and boost applications. good luck with boost since it will cost you more than just swapping the motor and eventually kill your motor anyway

i just said about the plugs because i dont see why you changed it you said you felt some difference, ok. Then i stated about backfire, so had nothing to do with the plugs post you dumb F***
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Old 07-17-2005, 09:56 PM   #8
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http://cobbtuning.com/impreza/engine...html#streetcam

"The Worlds best selling, most popular camshafts for the Subaru 2.5L. Designed specifically for street cars, naturally aspirated or running bolt-on turbo kits, our performance camshafts are a must have for any performance street engine."

Dont call me a dumb fu*k. I simply wanted opinions which in your first post i did see you thought the suspension was your opinion but I did not want to hear nagging about "not another blah blah thread". And i never said i felt a difference but that did hear less backfire than usual.

The extra money you pay for the Turbo kit pays off you get turbos capable of handling much more than just a stock WRX motor. You get all this:
Turbo: TO4E Turbo
Intercooler: A high efficiency intercooler and all of the piping to install it.
Piping: An up pipe (2 1/8 inch) and down pipe (2 1/2 inch) including a 2 1/2 inch high flow catalytic converter section which includes 2 O2 sensor ports is included.
Manifold: The pressure side manifold from the Turbo to the intake manifold and the air intake manifold to the Turbo Charger.
Oil Lines: Oil supply lines to the Turbo and the Turbo oil return line. The passenger side valve cover is included on all the second generation 2.5 L engines for easy installation.
Fuel Pump: Walbro 255
Engine Management: RRFPR, a voltage clamp (for speed density equipped cars) and a piggy back computer system to control ignition timing.
Gauges: A boost gauge, and a digital air fuel mixture gauge.
BOV & Wastegate: A High Performance Tial Sport Wastegate and a high performance TurboXS RFL sequential blow off valve.
Intake: Cold Air K&N Filter

Does the stock WRX motor swap come with that? and on top of that i can cough up and extra 1800 for the STi shortblock assembly available at Renickmotorsports.com.
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Old 07-17-2005, 10:00 PM   #9
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no your short shifter is prob harder to shift now that you cut the stick,

real shifters > ghetto cut crap
i know a kid (owns a saturn ) who cut off his shifter, and welded on a bicycle peg as his "short shifter". yup.
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Old 07-17-2005, 10:24 PM   #10
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yea man no one is against you here im just saying and stuff this is how alot of people learn

if you can get all this stuff and make nice power right on
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Old 07-17-2005, 10:24 PM   #11
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haha r u kidding? thats funny, a bike peg? There was no welding involved in making my stock lever shorter, welding the shifter lever just does not seem like a bright idea.

Piker what was all that outrageous attitude before that really actually offended me. There is something alot of people do not understand about me, I got a car that i'm very greatful to have, and this car performs outright beautiful for what i payed for it. I want it to be my project car, and i want to work upon it because it does have potential, i've seen and read about people who have done it and succeeded on an old RS if they can do it I can do it, and I am sure I will. then i'll add up ALL the money i spend on it and add it to the price of my car. The money i saved by buying an RS instead of an STi is about 13-15k and that money just dumped all in the RS I believe would perform much better than an STi. Not to mention that much knowledge comes out of it.

But for now i'd just like the opinions on which option sounds better.

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Old 07-17-2005, 11:11 PM   #12
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Caplin TWE cams are able to be used in both the NA and Turbo scene. Go to their site and you will see that there are a couple of people using them. Other than that get th EM and save for the turbo kit.
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Old 07-17-2005, 11:50 PM   #13
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Save for the turbo... can probably get a custom built one for around 2k or save up 3500-4k for a fat stage 3 or AVO
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Old 07-17-2005, 11:56 PM   #14
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the new rs's 04 and 05 basically cannot be turboed without new internals. maybe pull off 3-5psi but no more, u need $ to do it. ive given up on a fast rs im going for a track/handling car.
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Old 07-18-2005, 12:06 AM   #15
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Just caught that it was a 2k5... nix my turbo comment Finish up your handling mods and save cash for a couple years until the 2.5 turbo blocks are around more then swap
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isnt in some magazine out for cars they are doing a 05 rs buildup? im sure its turbo so check it out and maybe they have their setup and i mean it has to be reliable
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Old 07-18-2005, 12:49 AM   #17
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Yet again... If I had that dough, I'd save it and then sell my car, grab an STI. boom.

I still can't see the justification of turboin' a 2005. The investment for a decent turbo kit PLUS changing whatever you need on the internals is just gonna run through the roof. Or, you could save that money, get some more, trade it on in and scoop up a used 04-05 WRX since the new 06's will be coming in. That way you have a SOLID platform to start from, with so much more possible in the future. Yes, the 2.5 engine can be turboed, but the AMOUNT OF MONEY required for a good setup (plus some decent tuning from a performance shop) is just simply ridiculous. I still don't understand this. If you ever had the imagination to turbo, why get an RS? You people kill me. And why wouldn't someone with enough money NOT jump at the opportunity to upgrade to what is undeniably a more stable platform (again, yes the RS can be turboed, and can with some stability, but you cannot question the perfect beginning stage which is the WRX)

Or heck, even with that money, you could simply swap in a WRX motor with ease. Even a USDM STI if you save a bit more.

Why why why do people insist on trying to turbo a new school RS?

Cliffnotes: Swap motor, or swap the car.
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Old 07-18-2005, 01:10 AM   #18
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i agree with holy crikey.

also, your ghetto short shifter might very well be better FOR YOU but until you've tried a kartboy you can never really know can you?

by the way the kartboy is designed to work with the stock linkage, not STI so maybe that's why your friends is hard to shift... my kartboy package is beautiful and i have not found anything better.




also, i don't know if anyone has said this- but SKIP THE SPARK PLUG WIRES. they're not going to help anything and OEM subaru have been far more reliable than any aftermarket ones. the subaru ignition system is VERY cranky. don't mess around with it, go OEM or you will be paying for it in wrench time.



i know you love your RS but by the time you've gotten everything you need for it to be the racer that you want it to be, you'll be shooting yourself in the face for not just getting a wrx(motor if not car) instead.
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^^uh oh handsdown i ventured into that territory retreat back! retreat back!
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Old 07-18-2005, 02:53 AM   #20
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i agree with holy crikey.

also, your ghetto short shifter might very well be better FOR YOU but until you've tried a kartboy you can never really know can you?
I have tried it on my friends white 05 STi. He got it installed a week after he got the car. It's nice but eh I like mine.

Oh and why can't you turbo an 04-05? and where did you get this information?

I would rather shoot myself in the face than to go with a WRX motor. If i want to mod my car i want everything done step by step. I'm only gonna be running a turbo on stock internals for probably around 6 months then goin to renick subaru and purchasing the STi shortblock assembly. i'm not dropping in a WRX motor that can only handle high hp unreliably when i can have something more bulletproof to work with.

i dont even know why i start stupid threads like these if u guys are just gonna try n put me down like that. I guess im not gonna post anything untill i actually do this stuff so i can actually show you it was done, and it will be done.

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Yeah there's a couple kits being worked on but for some reason the 2k5s have been more tempermental so it's taken more work... easier to just swap the engine with those it seems.
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Old 07-18-2005, 03:04 AM   #22
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only thing different on the 05 motors is the MAF. internal wise it is all the same as previous years.

thanks impr25rs, dragon for ur opinions.
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^^uh oh handsdown i ventured into that territory retreat back! retreat back!
what, the sparkplug wires? i know they have resolved the issues with aftermarket but still... if it ain't broke, keep your gritty mits off!!!! as the saying goes.



and you can't turbo an RS because the amount of money you'll spend keeping it running will make you wish you just built a turbo block in the first place. the EM problems and problems with the internals are just not worth the trouble.
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Old 07-18-2005, 03:21 AM   #24
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im gonna ask the guys at FAT or Crawford performance... cause i dont understand how you guys are saying thing will break when people have had high mileage hard driven RS's running 10 psi for 2 yrs with no problems.
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Old 07-18-2005, 03:33 AM   #25
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I dunno... all I've seen is people running into weird problems when trying to use the current kits on the 05s or even some custom ones.... not sure why, just heard that a lot... might be a thread somewhere about it on www.rs25.com

If you've got a good reliable kit it doesn't take much to keep it running... which is why I decided not to go custom and just save for the AVO... already got management setup so it shouldn't be too pricey... probably need about 3100 and then I can sell my headers and exhaust for a bit too and pick up a 3"
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