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Old 07-18-2005, 06:14 PM   #1
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Default rs vs m3 autox?

Has anyone ever seen or raced against an m3 in either auto cross? How did you do or in the hypothetical situation, how would you do if it were a 1st and 2nd gear course?

I am curious because i havea friend with a pretty much stock 95 m3 and i am wondering if i will be much competition for him....

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Old 07-18-2005, 07:38 PM   #2
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it allllllllll depends on the driver.

your awd will help, but the sheer weight and anemic power of the wagon are going to allow him to pull ahead if he has any- ANY- skill at attacking a course in his car.






in general, the rule for auto-x should be

RACE THE CLOCK- NOT THE CAR!

if you don't already, get an adjustable rear sway and some other things that will help you move your car around the course faster. it's all about how you drive your machine.


but yeah, to be honest, you're not at too much of an advantage, especially if the M3 is a 95 coupe. i don't really see you standing a chance. but, as i said before, it's all in the driver.


my advice is to get off your competitive ego trip- you both love motorsport and you should both be happy to attack a course using your own weapons of choice- use the opportunity to hone YOUR skills as a driver and get to know YOUR car better.

"when you fight you think of your sword and his sword and nothing else"- troy

"when you autox you think of your car and the course and nothing else"- confucious
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Old 07-19-2005, 01:00 AM   #3
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Unless the guy in the M3 is a complete noob....you'll have little chance at all. Even with a bad driver...the M3 is likely going to be quicker around the course.....

If he has any kind of skill at all...it's no contest....just try to keep improving your own times.

Having said that...the cars are in different classes....so use the PAX indexes and see who was the better driver...


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Old 07-19-2005, 09:32 PM   #4
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FYI The M3 is excluded from STS in SCCA events . Check the rules .
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Old 07-19-2005, 10:21 PM   #5
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FYI The M3 is excluded from STS in SCCA events . Check the rules .
haha... guess your friend wont be competing against you
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Old 07-19-2005, 10:39 PM   #6
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I killed a M roadster in chicago at the TireRack AutoX event.
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Old 07-20-2005, 12:03 AM   #7
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Unless the guy in the M3 is a complete noob....you'll have little chance at all. Even with a bad driver...the M3 is likely going to be quicker around the course.....

If he has any kind of skill at all...it's no contest....just try to keep improving your own times.
Bah! I compete against a couple M3s out here, both with very experienced drivers, and normally I beat them handily. At the last event I lost to the one that runs in SM with me - I had an "off" day without a single clean run. That's the first time he's beaten me in about 10 or 12 events, I'd say. The other M3 runs in BS and is never close to me, even though the guy's a pretty good driver.

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Having said that...the cars are in different classes....so use the PAX indexes and see who was the better driver...
Double Bah!! PAX is worthless, makes too many assumptions to be useful.

Anyway, the only way to find out for sure is to get both of you out to a local auto-x event and have some fun. Winner buys dinner.

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Old 07-20-2005, 12:17 AM   #8
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yeah, that way you'll get a free dinner

good luck, drive her well!
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Old 07-20-2005, 01:24 AM   #9
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Experience doesn't equal skill. No offense, but those drivers must suck....
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Bah! I compete against a couple M3s out here, both with very experienced drivers, and normally I beat them handily. At the last event I lost to the one that runs in SM with me - I had an "off" day without a single clean run. That's the first time he's beaten me in about 10 or 12 events, I'd say. The other M3 runs in BS and is never close to me, even though the guy's a pretty good driver.


Double Bah!! PAX is worthless, makes too many assumptions to be useful.

Anyway, the only way to find out for sure is to get both of you out to a local auto-x event and have some fun. Winner buys dinner.

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PAX assumes the drivers are of relatively equal skill level....although some classes can be a bit soft or unnecessarily tough.


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Old 07-20-2005, 01:47 AM   #10
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Experience doesn't equal skill. No offense, but those drivers must suck....
Or I'm just damn good. Ask KC. My point is that to automatically say an M3 will beat a 2.5RS unless the M3 driver is horrible is incorrect. At the national level, sure, that may be true. But the originator of this thread wasn't asking about that - he was asking about him vs. his buddy with an M3.

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PAX assumes the drivers are of relatively equal skill level....although some classes can be a bit soft or unnecessarily tough.
It also assumes both cars are prepped to the maximum extent of the respective rules (rarely the case at a "normal" auto-x), it assumes the weather conditions were the same for both heats (often not the case, moreso in some areas of the country than others), it assumes the course didn't get any faster as the day goes on (not the case, as rubber is laid down on "the line" throughout the day), etc etc. Too many assumptions to be worthwhile IMO.

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Old 07-20-2005, 07:13 AM   #11
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I'll stand by my comment that any halfway competently driven M3 will run quicker than most any RS.

I wasn't questioning your ability Pat.....as I myself regularly hand it to M3's, ZO6s, F500s, etc.... including national trophy winners.... in our 98RS. But in the situation originally posted....my money is on the M3.


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Old 07-20-2005, 07:50 AM   #12
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The M3 is faster, lighter, has more power, and handles better...................I don't think it would be a contest in any aspect of racing
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Old 07-21-2005, 12:51 AM   #13
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well crap, i guess he is going to be able to work me, we are both pretty decent drivers, we both know our machines and definitely know their limits. We both love our cars for our own reasons, and we both love motor sports, that is for sure.

I guess hes probably going to be able to work me even harder pretty soon becaues he just ordered some racing coilovers. We are going to put them on once they come, it will be fun to see his car after that, its going to be quick.
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Old 07-21-2005, 01:53 AM   #14
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If it was a 98-01 RS that was setup well then you would have had a chance...

That, or if it rains.

Pray for rain.
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