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Old 07-19-2005, 10:04 AM   #1
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Question Any try the Kenwood KSC-SW1

It looks as though the Kenwood KSC-SW1 is the replacement Kenwood "woox". I know a guy who had the "woox" under the passenger seat in his baja. Anyone hear anything good about the Kenwood KSC-SW1 . Crutchfield and other sites seem to give it good marks. Thoughts feelings?
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Old 07-19-2005, 05:51 PM   #2
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i bought two clarion phaze 1 srv303 subs on the suggestion of someone here i think... they sound really good and fit under the seat (a little scratch is on the one under my driver's seat because of an elec. plug under there, only cosmetic) and you can find them cheaper than the kenwood's (by about $50!) they fill in the bass well, but they are no 12" subs, so don't expect that, just good filling bass, and i put the controls in the bottom pocket under my stereo. looks cool. they are up for sale (my diamond system is finally ready), so if you are seriously looking, i will sell you both of mine (ive had them for about 4 months) for half price of what they are going for now (about $200) along with the rca's and power wire (4awg) ... you know it will be long enough! before i bought these, i looked on a website (it escapes me now, maybe car domain?) that had an article comparing the sw1, srv303, and the infinity basslink... the infinity won, of course, but the clarion (surprisingly) came in second, and its dimensions will allow it to fit better than the sw1 under the seats. wow, thats a lot of thoughts/feelings... maybe someone has tried both of them?
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Old 07-19-2005, 10:32 PM   #3
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clifhanger, I was the one that gave you the recomendation on the SRV303's. Glad you like them. They are great for filling in the base lines and give just enough kick that you can feel it. I relly like the fit as well. though I only have the one under the passanger seet, but it is really nice.
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Old 07-20-2005, 10:14 AM   #4
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Cliffhanger, how much you asking for the whole setup?
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Old 07-20-2005, 02:46 PM   #5
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cliffhanger thanks for the input, I saw some really bad reviews of the SRV303 on Crutchfields site. Crutchfield sells both units for about $250. KSC-SW1 seemed to get better reviews but who knows if the people reviewing these things know what there talking about. Anyone have experience with either?
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Old 07-20-2005, 03:41 PM   #6
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I have the Clarion SRV303, and I happened to be one of those reviewers on Crutchfield's site. I installed it under the front passenger seat, and it is a tight fit. I'm not sure the Kenwood will fit under the seat without modification.
As for the performance of the Clarion...It is NOT going to give you a whole lot of bass. If you listen to hip hop, don't buy the Clarion! It will not give you what you need. I listen to rock most of the time and it barely gives me enough bass. I'm not going to tell you it is junk either, it definately helps improve bass response in the Baja. But if you think it's going to perform like a bazooka tube or an Infinity Basslink, forget it. I hope I helped you in some way.
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Old 07-20-2005, 05:27 PM   #7
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Ya im not looking for anything crazy I listen to rock, classic rock, alternative etc. I know some people put the Kenwood woox under the seat which is

WooX 15-1/8 X 4-3/8 X 8-3/16

The SW1 is

15-3/4 X 3-3/4 X 9

Thoughts?
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Old 07-20-2005, 07:23 PM   #8
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Looking at the spesifications and have seen the woox in some setups and it sticks out from under the seet about 3 inches into the rear passanger foot room. I really didn't like it. Also the installer that I use, used to carry the WooX and stopped becuse they had too many complants that the sound is ok to poor and a lot of them ended up blowing out and they had to do a lot of warranty replacmenets.
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Old 07-20-2005, 07:49 PM   #9
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Just for the sake of argument looks as though the SRV303 will stick out as well.

SRV303 - 13-5/8 X 2-15/16 X 9-1/8

Bravestarr what do you think
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Old 07-20-2005, 08:02 PM   #10
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I might be wong about it sticking out, but the Woox installs that I have seen have all been sticking out by about 3 inches to the rear. I think that it could the depth that causes the placement to be where it is:
WooX: 4 3/8
SW1: 3 3/4
SRV303: 2 15/16

My SRV303 fits perfictly. In fact, I think that it might be almost the same dimensions as the OEM.
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Old 07-20-2005, 11:59 PM   #11
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I purchased a WOOX for the Baja and had to return it because it didn't fit under the seat. So when the Clarion came out, I noticed that the height was smaller. So I picked it up. After I installed it I slid the seat back and forth and noticed that I was scratching the top of it (especially when the seat is all the way forward). So my best guess is that anything taller that the Clarion will not fit under the Baja's front seat. And the Clarion does not stick out at all! I don't even know its there. I mounted it so the longest side fits left-to-right, underneath the passenger seat.

On a side note, someone on this forum mande a creative speaker box by removing the cupholder compartment out of the backseat. He made a box and got an 8" woofer in it! And it didn't even bother the switchback when the seat was pulled up. I saw it and thought it was a good idea. I wanted to do that myself, but I didn't think my carpentry skills were good enough to make it look nice. Hopefully someone can find that link for you, I looked but couldn't find it.
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Old 07-21-2005, 10:25 PM   #12
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Cliffhanger, how much you asking for the whole setup?
200 +shipping (probably like $15-20 for usps ground, unless you want something else), when i bought them in april i think i paid about 450-475 for them...
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Old 07-23-2005, 10:59 AM   #13
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If you guys want good overall sound, you guys should do components with a powerful amp. Such set up will give you more Bass than those lil sub things. But guys get use to not having much bass in the Baja, there is not much anyone can do about subs (no room), and even an 8 inch in the rear seat wont give you as much as some of you want. Try a really good 4 way 60+ watt amp and some kick arse components and any of you will be set.
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Old 07-24-2005, 09:49 AM   #14
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components are only really good for mids and highs, and they are only deisigned for mids and highs (funny coincidence, huh?) and while some components, when matched with the right amplifier and acoustical surrounding, can put out decent bass, it is longevity that suffers ultimately. this i why every component set comes with crossovers. a subwoofer is designed for bass reproduction, therefore no matter how good a component set may be, it will never be able to match the talents of a subwoofer at bass reproduction. if it really is necessary to thump the whole neighborhhood, the audio shop i go to will be more than happy to put 4 15" s in the back seat of your baja, matched with a bunch of amps, capacitors, and dist blocks... but who wants to lose the ability to use the back seat and the switchback they paid for? the clarions and the kenwoods in question are not for competition use nor are they competition grade, but i dont think many of us will be going to the competitions, we just want something to fill in the low end, and either of these subs will do it. the only difference is that the kenwood costs more and will not fit without modification, while the clarion is cheaper and fits without protruding into the back seat (unless you slide your seat all the way forward).

the brackets/spacers in the pic are not for the clarion, they are so my amps can fit under the seat after the clarions come out.
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Old 07-24-2005, 11:54 AM   #15
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OK... I have heard components sound very very good, withouth the need of a sub (unless you want a vibrator and damaged ears). You talk about BASS reproduction with a tiny 7" with no space to move air (enclosing) etc. If a damn 8" Tube (bazzooka) can barely produce good enough BASS ay high decibles (distortions) do you think your 7" that Clarion will be better, I think its technically impossible. Every time I talk to a sound tech. they tell me that I will get better overall sound with components also. Like I said earlier we have to get used to not having much BASS. I still have the factory speakers and I get a dencent sound for now.
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Old 07-25-2005, 01:09 PM   #16
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I'm pretty happy with my system. Polk MMC650 components in the front, db650's in the rear. Had the factory sub and got rid of it. Instead, replaced the rear cupholder section with a Kicker 8" in a box i built myself (.5f^3 volume), then covered the box in marine grade black vinyl (couln't find matching color in simular leather.) I don't have to remove it to put the seat up because it fits between the two front seats. I can still sit 4 in the car, didn't have to cut anything, and put the amp under the drivers seat. I could still use the factory sub but why? There is so much more bass it actually shakes the mirrors and windows. Since there is no trunk or rear seats to go through it fills out the cabin quite well.
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Old 07-25-2005, 08:56 PM   #17
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You dont need much bass to shake those mirrors LOL mine do without a sub. I like the set up can you still use the switch back?
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Old 07-25-2005, 09:15 PM   #18
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Yes, In another thread I posted pictures of the unfinished sub and the seat up.


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Old 07-26-2005, 07:59 AM   #19
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Brilliant mate. I think I might just have to do that.
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I like what you've done there. I'm starting to play around with some numbers for box size and I had a few questions for you.

Did you remove the two brackets that hold the rear center console in place?
What were the dimensions of your box?

Most 8's are looking for about .25 ft^3 (sealed). Looks like a box around 18" X 9" X 5" roughly should do the trick. Thats using 3/4" press board. I'm gonna do some more factoring in the angles that the brackets leave us. I'd also like to counter sink the sub so its mounts flusher, put a big grill over it and us it as an arm rest. Perhaps even mount some cup holders on top of it.
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From what I can remember you need .25 f^3 of volume for a 8" sub. I kept the brackets in place and modeled the box around them. I also added some poly fill to tune the box and make it sound bigger. I'll have to check the measurement tomorrow but I think it was deeper than 5". I don't think I would add cup holders, you might have a hard time keeping the liquid in the cup. The Kicker grill I have is prety big. I first bought a cheap sub to see if I could make the box the way I wanted it. After I got it done I changed it to a 8" Kicker DVC sub. Much better.
I have some ideals for another version that may enclose the sub but it would have to be to tall and whould have to be removed for the pass thru. to work. I also thought of using foam between the box and the vinyl cover to give it a more padded feal. I don't know how that would affect the sound. I don't think you loose anything with this setup because I never used the cup holders and the stock box always got scratched up.
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Got the sub and amp installed everything looks and sounds good. I'm at the point where i'm ready to cover it. I have some standard looking sub carpet i'm not sure if I like that or your vinyl idea. But im running into a small problem. My box is built and sealed. Trying to throw the carpet on but I've never really upholstered anything in before. Any tips? Most ways I tried it I'm left with ugly seams.
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will anything larger than the Clarion/Kenwood underseat subs fit behind the rear seat in the passthrough hole location? I saw Infinity offers a three speaker sub setup for trucks but I'm not sure if it will fit.
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Got the sub and amp installed everything looks and sounds good. I'm at the point where i'm ready to cover it. I have some standard looking sub carpet i'm not sure if I like that or your vinyl idea. But im running into a small problem. My box is built and sealed. Trying to throw the carpet on but I've never really upholstered anything in before. Any tips? Most ways I tried it I'm left with ugly seams.
The thing with the vinal is that you can sew it in the shape of your box. It's really not that hard becuse it's straight lines. Can fit like a glove to. After I got my applied to the box I glued it, but if I ever did it again I might have made it slightly bigger than the box and inserted some spray foam to make it more padded.
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