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Old 07-19-2005, 11:12 AM   #1
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Default Age old question, 205 or 225...

Opinions wanted.

Picking up some summers (Falken 451's). On stock rims, is the stretch to 225's worth it. Will I lose a lot in sharpness? Thanks,

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Old 07-19-2005, 11:41 AM   #2
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If i could do it again, I wouldn't have gotten 225. I definitely like the look, like the fact that I can parallel park without much fear, but that seems to be where all the positives stop (for me anyway).

I'm not sure how expertly my Pirelli's were put on, but one needed to be reinflated about every 2 weeks... I mean, the 6.5 inches of the stock rim aren't really enough to handle 225 millimeters. One other small thing of note, With a larger width, the tire has more of a tendancy to flex on hard turns. You can feel the car bending the sidewalls, almost going on top of them.

Anyway, look wise and rim protection wise, 225, but for probably better performance, safety, and somewhat problem free experience, I'd go 205.
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Old 07-19-2005, 04:05 PM   #3
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Thanks for the thoughts...any others...
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Old 07-19-2005, 04:25 PM   #4
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I'd go with 215? Why not those?
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Old 07-19-2005, 04:26 PM   #5
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I'd go with 215? Why not those?
Gearing difference. Even at only 3%, when you put the kind of miles on I do, thats a significant difference.
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Old 07-19-2005, 06:05 PM   #6
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The AVON Tech M500 is only .1 taller than stock at 25.2 in total diameter, but has a full 1.1" wider tread width at 7.7". It's also a VERY well-performing tire at a very resonable price.
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Old 07-19-2005, 06:06 PM   #7
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I've had 225s on my WRX for the past 8 months and haven't had any issues with pressure REX8 described. The main thing I've noticed is slightly lower gas mileage. The Pirellis were an upgrade from the original RE92s, so a direct comparison for roll isI haven't noticed any additional roll.

The extra width has added some additional grip when turning. Could turn in be more crisp by using a wider wheel? Yes, but they work great on the 6.5" rim. If you like how they look and want a little more rubber to grip, then go with a 225 width. However, the 205s will save some gas money so you can save up and buy some racing wheels and tires!
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Old 07-19-2005, 06:18 PM   #8
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The AVON Tech M500 is only .1 taller than stock at 25.2 in total diameter, but has a full 1.1" wider tread width at 7.7". It's also a VERY well-performing tire at a very resonable price.
avon is a devision of falken
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Old 07-19-2005, 08:55 PM   #9
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I've got Azenis on stockers already, I'm just looking for something streetable.

Ultimate: The stock outter is 24.9 if I'm not mistaken. Thats about a 3% swing. Doesn't seem like much. But over about 40k, that adds up to about 1200 miles your ODO will be off. Yours will actually read TOO many miles, and you'll also have slower acceleration because you've in effect lengthened your gearing. If I would do it, I'd go the 3% smaller, the acc. improvement is noticable, but again, I'm not sure if I want the ODO to be off, although in the case of the smaller setup, I'll be showing less miles . Plus, they don't make 451's in the slightly smaller diameter 215, only the larger.

In short, I've heard a lot of things about turn in with 225s. I may just go for the shorter gearing and the 215's. I think i'd give up some ultimate grip for the sharp turn-in. I'm torn. I'll be going on a road trip to West Virginia soon with an S2K, RX-8, and a 9-2X, I wanted to bring as much grip as possible...
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Old 07-19-2005, 08:58 PM   #10
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avon is a devision of falken
Not even close...

AVON is (was) a British company started in about 1895, recently bought by Cooper tires forming Cooper-Avon, both are a far cry from Falken....

Falken is owned by Sumitomo Rubber...Just about on the other side of the world...
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Old 07-19-2005, 09:39 PM   #11
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Old 07-19-2005, 10:29 PM   #12
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I was thinking 225/50 for the equal gearing...and only $73. So I guess your vote is 225?
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Old 07-20-2005, 12:03 AM   #13
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for comparison, i've had the following tires on my stock WRX rims

205/55 RE92's for 22K
225/50 Victoracers (r-compound tire) two seasons
225/50 Eagle F1s for 16k
205/55 Azenis Sport for 8k
205/55 Semperit snow tires 5k
225/50 Toyo RA1

conclusion ? for turn in, the tire model/construction is more important than the width of tire on the same rim.

If you get a tire that is notoriously soft to begin with, like the Eagle F1, you will definitely notice the sidewall flex. But if you get a stiffer tire, and bump the pressure a couple of pounds, I don't think it is objectionable.

After having bot 225's and 205's, I wouldn't go back to 205's again.

anything is going to be better than re92's

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Old 07-20-2005, 12:08 AM   #14
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i have 225/45/16 falken f-451 on my car. they are ok. sidewall is wimpy. excellent rain traction. yah...
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Gearing difference. Even at only 3%, when you put the kind of miles on I do, thats a significant difference.
I hear ya. Wanna talk about mileage? I just bought the car brand new 3 months ago and I already have 10,000 miles on it. Darn girlfriends....
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I hear ya. Wanna talk about mileage? I just bought the car brand new 3 months ago and I already have 10,000 miles on it. Darn girlfriends....
Tell me about it. School and girl are in Wilmington. Even on the weekends I'm trucking down. I'm at 60k at 2.5 years...but I'm enjoying every mile...

New question. What high perfromance summer is going to have a stiff enough sidewall to overcome the extra width?...I actually thought the 451's had a pretty stiff wall...
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I have 225/50-16 Hankook R-S2s on my car, and they have been great. No mounting issues. While you get a bit of the tread rolled as a shoulder, it works great when autocrossing as the tread, not the sidewall, takes the beating.
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Ultimate: The stock outter is 24.9 if I'm not mistaken.
You are .

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Interestingly enough, the OEM 17's come with RE011's that have a total diameter of 24.6, so Subaru themselves allow a .5" difference.

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You are .

Linky

Interestingly enough, the OEM 17's come with RE011's that have a total diameter of 24.6, so Subaru themselves allow a .5" difference.

Linky
The .3" difference i read was for an Avon and a few others...everyone is different! Wow,

Thats carzy though. Everybodies tires are different sizes...so much for uniformity. A 205 55 RE92 is 25.x and a 205 55 say Avon, is 24.9. Well, that makes up my mind for me I guess...Thanks

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I hear ya. Wanna talk about mileage? I just bought the car brand new 3 months ago and I already have 10,000 miles on it. Darn girlfriends....
And not just one girlfriend, you said "girlfriends" with an "s". No wonder you're racking up the mileage.
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And not just one girlfriend, you said "girlfriends" with an "s". No wonder you're racking up the mileage.
On who the car's or the girls?
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Old 08-04-2005, 06:26 PM   #22
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Ok, so this is a little bit of thread-from-the-dead, but............... most of the people answering are talking about 225s on the stock 6.5 wrx rim. I've got a MY00 RS with stock 7.0 wheels. I'm thinking of 225/50-16 khumo mx's in there for auto-x, if they won't rub. Suspension is stock...

Has anybody tried this tire/wheel combo?
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I was just reading in another old thread about 225s on a 16X7 on a GC/GF body style-- I believe the 225 will rub. Someone correct this if you've had personal experience, in the meantime I'll try to find that thread again.
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Old 08-16-2005, 01:15 PM   #24
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225s definately rub on the rear struts of a '00 RS.

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Ultimate: The stock outter is 24.9 if I'm not mistaken. Thats about a 3% swing. Doesn't seem like much. But over about 40k, that adds up to about 1200 miles your ODO will be off. Yours will actually read TOO many miles, and you'll also have slower acceleration because you've in effect lengthened your gearing. If I would do it, I'd go the 3% smaller, the acc. improvement is noticable, but again, I'm not sure if I want the ODO to be off, although in the case of the smaller setup, I'll be showing less miles .
You sure about that? In a given mile, a taller tire won't spin as many times as a shorter tire.

With a shorter tire, like the 215/45-16 Azenis(1.3" shorter - 5% different), the speedo will read 60 mph when you are going 57 mph. Also your odometer (after an hour) will read 60 miles, when you actually went 57 miles.

I wouldn't worry about a .3" change in height (closer to 1% change). As a tire wears down, it can lose over a half inch of height before it goes bald.

And just a random personal observation, Bald RE-92's are a lot more responsive (in the dry) than new ones, without all the tread squirm.
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