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Old 05-08-2001, 01:00 PM   #1
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>>>ok i don't know whats' so special about the mazda so can some one inform me

I've been trying to figure that one out for years. I've driven one. And wasn't impressed. They go on and on about how easy and fun it is to drive and how exceptional the handling is. But my 2.5 RS handled better out of the box than the Miata. The only area were the Miata showed an obvious superiority was skidpad. It'll really hold itself on corners. But the Impreza is much more responsive and the Miata can only dream about the steering feedback of the Subaru.

I really don't know. At $20,000, I think they're way overpriced. It has the same luxury amenities as a $9000 Kia. That's an awful lot of money for 140 hp and a ragtop.
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Old 05-08-2001, 01:01 PM   #2
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if you guys see one for around 25 grand let me know!the hood ornament is probably that much
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Old 05-08-2001, 01:02 PM   #3
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I saw one on Ebay a while back.. (like 4 years) going for 450,000 i think.

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damn the man.. save the empire!
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Old 05-08-2001, 01:02 PM   #4
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how cool am I..

two of those cars are at my house.

the impreza of course.
but there is a 1964 Jaguar E-type sitting in the garage too.
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Old 05-08-2001, 01:06 PM   #5
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Fishguy... something tells me they didn't have the 2.5RS in mind when they thought of the "top production performance cars of all time."
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Old 05-08-2001, 01:26 PM   #6
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ya I agree I'm thinking they had the ver6 sti in mind, but hey whats it got that an RS doesent??????? (just kidding)
If I had 1.1 mil I would buy a HUGE plot of land here in central Oregon and an 02 jap WRX and trick it out, and them put some serouisly cool a$$ rally roads on the land jumps, chicanes(sp?) and lots of gravel and dirt, with some tarmac transisitions (like the courses in Gran Tourismo II
anybody with me? I'm thinking a huge golf course with like 36 holes would be a good peice of property to buy, anybody know how much?????
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Old 05-08-2001, 01:29 PM   #7
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if you have $1.1 million to be wasted on a car.. you will never think of resale value of anything you own

oh btw, Sultan Brunei has 5 F1s..yes 5!
I heard that he ordered them at once..

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Old 05-08-2001, 01:30 PM   #8
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the Miata has the "perfect" balance of handling and power. The RS handles great, but lacks power. The Viper has insane power, but handles like crap. The Miata has just enough power to make it quick, and compliment it's exceptional RWD handling. It's handling is good enough to rip around an auto-x course, or thru the mountains, without the power causing intense oversteer. It's one of the last true Sports Cars.
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Old 05-08-2001, 01:32 PM   #9
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Yea, the Sultan has the world's most expensive garage. I think he bought 2 Ferrari F50's OF EACH COLOR.
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Old 05-08-2001, 01:33 PM   #10
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Actually this looks like a typical subjective "british car magazine" type of list - I'm surprised they don't have an Armstrong-Siddely on there. The only even slightly old car is the jaguar, while admittedly fantastic in its day, is still a bit dated by modern standards. Surely there are other older production cars that would be considered just as ground breaking in their day as the suite of moderns listed. Additionally, while I'm not a big corvette fan, I'm surprised it doesn't qualify for its bang for the buck factor.
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Old 05-08-2001, 01:35 PM   #11
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Well said Joel..

If I had 1.1 Million dollars for a car only....I'd have to get a real Cobra Daytona Coupe, Lancia Stratos Rally car or an original Ferrari Testarossa (pontoon fender version)
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Old 05-08-2001, 01:40 PM   #12
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I ordered 5 F1s, all at once, as well. Funny, though, but my financing didn't go through.
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Old 05-08-2001, 01:44 PM   #13
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I am sorry but 140 horsepower in a car made since the 50's is not enough to make it a sports car...
Corvette yes sports car
Some of the mustangs are sports cars
and here comes the flames.
2.5RS is not a sports car.

But I love it anyway...(more than any sports cars I have driven)

oh ya Integra Type R, Not a Sports Car... they do make good race cars...
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Old 05-08-2001, 01:50 PM   #14
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No, the 2.5 RS is not a sports car (in stock form), but the 22b sure is.

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Old 05-08-2001, 01:57 PM   #15
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The 22B is in a class al its own, with a buch of other sweet Rally homoginiased car (I know I messed up that word real bad). Mazda 323GTX
Celica GT-4


hum has any one ever seen the street version of the old subaru rally cars? Legasy And RX
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Old 05-08-2001, 02:01 PM   #16
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NO, the Mustang, Camaro, Corvette, 22b, WRX, ITR, Civic Si, Lancer EVO, and even the McLaren F1 are NOT SPORTS CARS. They are accepted under a generic "term" but they are not true sports cars. A True sports car is an open top FR vehicle with no rear seats, and a perfect balance of handling and power, a true drivers car.

A Corvette is a nice car, but it has too much power for it's chassis. Get on the gas, and you loop it, besides, they have traction control now. WRXs, coupes and sedans, not converts. Mustang, too much power for the chassis again, plus they have rear seats. ITR, it's a front driver.

The Miata may not have enough power to satisfy drag racers, but that's not what it's for. It's a drivers car, it cradels the driver in a "connecting" environment (open top) and provides the driver with ample power, and handling to truly go out and DRIVE.

Also, alot of older sports cars came with pathetic HP numbers, even for the standards of their time, but the balance of power and handling is what made them the classic sports cars they are today.

Besides, 140hp in a car that weighs ~2400lbs? That's ample power to scoot it around.
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Old 05-08-2001, 02:01 PM   #17
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Sorry, but the Nissan Skyline is a hell of a lot better than a Mazda Miata...
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Old 05-08-2001, 02:04 PM   #18
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I've been trying to wrap my brain around how they compiled that list, and it just doesn't make any sense, even if you assume they are talking about European versions of each car.

The RX7 was better bang for buck than the MX-5, hands down. Lotus?? Pass the crack, please.
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Old 05-08-2001, 02:04 PM   #19
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I agree with Jewbaru. Which leads me to my favorite "sports car" of all time thats affordable - MkII MR2 Turbo!! Yellow of course!
On a different note, the Jaguar XJ200 would be at the top of my list. It's a 1/5 of the price of the McLaren, better looking, just as rare, and way more performance than you could ever take advantage of. It's just sooo ******* beautiful.

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Old 05-08-2001, 02:10 PM   #20
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The RX7, the Skyline, and others are all great cars, they just don't fit the mold of a TRUE SPORTS CAR.

In both of them, you're not connected to your driving environment with the closed top. There's nothing like blasting along with the wind ripping thru your hair. They're both also overpowered for their chassis in terms of handling. Even tho the Skyline is AWD, it still has too much power, weighs too much, and it's turbo'd, so the power isn't always on tap, like with an NA car. Pretty much the same with the RX7. You can steer with your right foot in the Miata of course, but it's setup to where it's all part of the car. There's a balance there that's not in many cars. It IS one of the last Sports Cars.
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Old 05-08-2001, 02:14 PM   #21
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the lotus is a car that should go on that list. It's cheap to a point, light, and is nimble.
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Old 05-08-2001, 02:15 PM   #22
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Jewbaru, that's one definition of a sports car. Frankly, I think it's a ridiculous definition, as it asserts that a Formula 1 car is not a "sports car". Another accepted definition is a car that competes in motorsports. Unfortunately, that definition includes a Geo Metro if someone chooses to AutoX it.

I think a fair definition for a (production)sports car is any car that's sales figures rely on the performance aspects of the car. By that definition, a WRX, Corvette, Mustang and ITR all qualify. So does a Miata, S2000 and a Z3 (which all fit into the definition you chose). Any car that uses economy, utility or comfort as its primary selling point is not a sports car.
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Old 05-08-2001, 02:21 PM   #23
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>>>I think a fair definition for a (production)sports car is any car that's sales figures rely on the performance aspects of the car. By that definition, a WRX, Corvette, Mustang and ITR all qualify. So does a Miata, S2000 and a Z3 (which all fit into the definition you chose). Any car that uses economy, utility or comfort as its primary selling point is not a sports car.

Then I'd say the 2.5 RS is right on the borderline of this definition of a sports car, and it probably should be. It has a very nice balance of utility, comfort, and performance, like a cheap BMW.
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Old 05-08-2001, 02:25 PM   #24
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Sanguine,

That is the definition that has been used since the beginning of "Sports cars" as we know them. I think it's safe to EXCLUDE all race dedicated vehicles, like F1, or Rally cars.

They should be cars that are "readily" available to the public.
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Rally is one of the most popular automotive sports, so why wouldn't a top competitor in that sport be a sports car?
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