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Old 07-19-2005, 08:20 PM   #1
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Default Summer vs UHP Tires Treadlife

Quick q, as a whole do Ultra High Performance all-season tires have more useable life than Ultra High Performance summer tires? thanks
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Old 07-19-2005, 08:26 PM   #2
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On average, yes. And some all season UHP's do it with better wet traction too.
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Old 07-19-2005, 09:15 PM   #3
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So what is the best wet traction tire?
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Old 07-19-2005, 10:02 PM   #4
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Michelin Pilot Sport A/S
Pirelli Pzero Nero

My girlfriend has 54,000 KMS on a set of Sport
A/S's on her Spec V (and climbing).
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Old 07-20-2005, 06:38 AM   #5
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So what is the best wet traction tire?
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Michelin Pilot Sport A/S
Pirelli Pzero Nero.
upon what are you basing this?

The Pilot Sport A/S is perhaps the best wet performance A/S tire out there - internally Michelin ranks it's wet performance equivalent to the PS2. However, the PS2 has been bested in wet testing by the GSD3 and FK451. Until the unlikely occurs and TireRack or some magazine thinks to test the PS A/S against the GSD3 and other wet-biased max performance tires I'll go with Michelin's own ranking and state that if it is as good as the PS2 in the rain then it's not the best in the wet.

As for the PzeroNero - which one are your referring to? The summer version tested very well in the wet against the S03, a max performance tire known for excellent performance in the wet. However, the more commonly purchased M&S version is not in the top ranking of all-season tires in the wet, much less one of the best tires period. Reviewing it's wet performance on TireRack's website would make that obvious to anyone willing to check. The GSD3 would be lapping the PzeroNero M&S on a wet track - the difference in performance is huge.

The best tires in the wet are all max performance summer tires, and the list would include:
Goodyear GSD3
Falken FK451
Michelin PS2
Bridgestone S03
Toyo T1S
Pirelli PZeroNero summer
and Dunlop SP 9000 and SP Sport Maxx

These have all been tested objectively and they all perform well in wet braking, wet handling and resisting hydroplaning - as a group much better than any other max performance tires and much, much better than any all-season tire - the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S being the one exception that may deserve to be invited to the party. Of course, there is no perfect tire, these included. The T1S handles great in the wet but has relatively poor resistance to hydroplaning compared to the rest. The FK451 has great wet handling and resistance to hydroplaning but it's wet braking is not as good as most of the rest of these on the list.

If I had to pick one tire that was great at everything in the wet - the GSD3 would be my pick as the best wet tire ever. It is near the top in handling and braking and the absolute best ever at resistance to hydroplaning.
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Old 07-20-2005, 12:40 PM   #6
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I think the jury is out on whether a summer tire gives you much more wet grip than an UHPAS.

dry grip of course.
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Old 07-20-2005, 01:15 PM   #7
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It depends on the tire, the driver, and the car.

Clear as mud?


I got three full seasons out of a set of 16" Dunlop SP9000 tires, yet still sold them with 1/2 treadlife for about $250/set. They looked great, and were absolutely mind-blowing when it rained. Loved them.

I just put on a set of 17" Pirelli P-Zero Nero M&S tires in late April. So far, they're spectacular.
Okay, so they're A/S tires, but they feel pretty darn good to me. And are still very good in the rain.

The treadwear doesn't appear to be doing quite as well as the Dunlops did, but we'll see.

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Old 07-20-2005, 06:16 PM   #8
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I think the jury is out on whether a summer tire gives you much more wet grip than an UHPAS.
the jury is not out - the case is closed:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...ort_maxx_c.jsp

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/bs_RE050A_rd_c.jsp

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/..._d3_charts.jsp

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...erf_charts.jsp

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...lus_charts.jsp

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...eContact_c.jsp

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...csta_asx_c.jsp

http://www.falken-europe.de/common/i...fs/sa_test.pdf

http://www.falken-europe.de/common/i...s/att_test.pdf

http://www.falken-europe.de/common/i..._0403_enen.pdf

The best A/S tire in the dry is the Pirelli PZeroNero M&S
The best A/S tire in the wet is the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S

Neither one is a match for the GSD3, FK451, et al wet or dry.

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the customer survey numbers are only relevent to tires of the same class ... the P-Zero Nero M&S which has alot of 9's in the survey can not compete in the dry or wet with a dedicated summer tire even if the numbers in the survey are 4 or 5

the best all season tire isn't as good as a lower level summer tire in the dry and wet
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So what is the best wet traction tire?

Michelin Pilot Sport A/S
Pirelli Pzero Nero

My girlfriend has 54,000 KMS on a set of Sport
A/S's on her Spec V (and climbing).?
I meant of the UHPAS class.
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Hey WrexT, I don't mean to be nit picky but you have me as the author quoting your lines.

Just to be clear, I am curious about the best wet tire overall. The GSD3 has always looked pretty impressive.
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