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Old 07-19-2005, 09:22 PM   #1
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I have a wet passengers floor during rain etc. and through I little judicious water testing I am positive the source of the water is sunroof related and its coming down the A-pillar. If I am positive the sunroof is the source of the water, anyone know the cure? Unclog the drain lines? If so how? Air? Water? Vaccuum?

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Old 07-20-2005, 02:13 AM   #2
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OK, did a little investigating.

I ran about 5' of electrical cable down into the drain tube on the apssenger front side. No obstructions until I got about 5' in. I poured some water into the tray at that corner and most of it did drain down to the weep hole in the skirt but still some leaked inside the car and its high up. Its coming down inside and behind the dash near the A-pillar but I cant see from where. I removed the kick panel/door sill and the water is coming down through that maze right on the top edge of the kick panel and running down the kick panel to the carpet.

So that leads to a couple of questions:

Does anyone know how long those drain lines are that attach at the sunroof tray drains? Where do they end?

If they extend below the glove box I clearly have a leak above that and maybe the drain line came loose from the sunroof tray enough to leak some or the line got punctured/cut somewhere along the way.

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Old 07-24-2005, 05:40 PM   #3
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Update: Probelm solved.

We pulled the headliner today and the front passenger side drain tube had been pulled off the nipple for the sunroof pan. Looks like it has been that way since I bought the car. The basically waterproof backing of the headliner channeled the water down the headliner into the a-pillar.

Even with this complete disconnect, allowed about 70% of the water to make it to the correct drain loaction in the valence. The remainder wnet to my passenger floorboard.

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Old 07-24-2005, 06:13 PM   #4
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Old 07-24-2005, 11:39 PM   #5
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How much of a pain was pulling the headliner?

You know the part that slides over your sunroof, the sunshade part? I don't have one of those on the car for some reason. The part lists from Subaru for $500+ (absolutely absurd), but I happened to check out ebay one day and found the exact same part, still in the subaru box, for $30 shipped. Anyways, I want that put in. I'm not sure whether I want to tackle it myself, or whether I want to buy some Subaru Bucks on here for a discount and have my dealership do it.

One more question for you:

When I "close" the sunroof all the way forward, there is a gap at the rear of the opening, basically right above the headrests(just a very slim slit). So, as a way to fix that, I'm able to use the switch to adjust it just enough backwards so that that gap is covered. With me still??

I've used some vaseline on that rubber seal and that has limited the gap, but it still exists. When the headliner is pulled is there some sort of adjustment that could keep the glass from being allowed to slide so far forward??

I guess I have two questions: how hard is removing the headliner & is there any sort of adjustment on the track or movement of the sliding glass??

Thanks, and sorry for the hijack.

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Old 07-25-2005, 02:40 PM   #6
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Thanks. Its such a little thing, but it sure can bring you down about your car. My car is always garaged at the house but whenever I got caught out in the rain, I got a wet floorboard. I'm glad its gone. I'm gonna treat the car to some new floormats.

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Old 07-25-2005, 02:59 PM   #7
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When I "close" the sunroof all the way forward, there is a gap at the rear of the opening, basically right above the headrests(just a very slim slit). So, as a way to fix that, I'm able to use the switch to adjust it just enough backwards so that that gap is covered. With me still??

I've used some vaseline on that rubber seal and that has limited the gap, but it still exists. When the headliner is pulled is there some sort of adjustment that could keep the glass from being allowed to slide so far forward??

Jared, first off, you have a package on its way to you. I tried to PM you but your box is full.

As far as pulling the sunroof, I had help from a friend but its not too bad at all. Its basically a lot of popping out and putting back plastic panels.

I started at the rear and popped out all the pillar panels up until the front two on each side. [I was able to leave those in place and slide the headliner rearward off these two and take it out the back hatch. Cant do this on a sedan I think. Score one for the grocery-getter.] You unscrew and disconnect the three light/sunroof assemblies, the 3 o-crap handles, the sun visors and the rear view mirror. Pull about six plastic push plugs(3 black at the rear under back top plastic plate, one black under rear-view mirror, 2 larger grey plugs visible in the rear center of the headliner) and remove the fuzzy-covered rubber trim around the interior sunroof opening. At that point the rear of the headliner drops down a bit and you can slide the whole thing back and out of the car with a partner manuvering the front part over the control panel.

It took the two of us about 20 minutes to take it out and the same to put it back in. The repair itself(sliding the line back on the nipple) took 2 seconds.

I didnt really look at how the sunshade was attached but it stays in place when you drop the headliner.

On your question about the gap, are you saying the glass itself is not fitting in the opening correctly? I am not following that too well. Can you take a pic of the problem area?

On an interesting side note, there was a pretty nice handful of fiberglass blown-in style insulation above my headliner near the rear of the sunroof assembly. We puzzled over that one before deciding on two maybes - either a small bird trying to build a nest or it was on the glass and got pushed in by opening the roof.

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Received the package today. Thanks again.

As for the gap. There is a whole in the roof of the car and then the sliding glass piece is essentially the same exact size, including the rubber seal that goes all the way around it. My issue is that is seems as though the track is allowing the glass to slide just a mm or so too far forward, so that I'm left with a VERY slight gap at the rear. This is when I use the switch and just push it until it stops. So, since there is a gap I have to just tap the switch and get the glass to slide back that mm or so to fill the gap.

Does that make sense? Basically, I want to know if there is a way to adjust the track so that it won't allow the glass to slide so far forward, so that it will be sealed all the way around without having to play with the switch.

If that doesn't make sense, no worries. Did you have one of the special little tools made for pulling out those little caps??

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Old 07-26-2005, 01:54 PM   #9
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Received the package today. Thanks again.

As for the gap. There is a whole in the roof of the car and then the sliding glass piece is essentially the same exact size, including the rubber seal that goes all the way around it. My issue is that is seems as though the track is allowing the glass to slide just a mm or so too far forward, so that I'm left with a VERY slight gap at the rear. This is when I use the switch and just push it until it stops. So, since there is a gap I have to just tap the switch and get the glass to slide back that mm or so to fill the gap.

Does that make sense? Basically, I want to know if there is a way to adjust the track so that it won't allow the glass to slide so far forward, so that it will be sealed all the way around without having to play with the switch.

If that doesn't make sense, no worries. Did you have one of the special little tools made for pulling out those little caps??

thanks

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Yea I was just gonna PM the DC number and let you know the bulb and bulb sockets were with them. But you know that now.

I am following you I think and I have a theory. There are two short posts at the front on the roof rack assembly on the top. Theyre visible from inside or outside the car when its open. Around each of these posts is a rubber piece of tubing it looks like, a stop bumper if you will. One of the rubber bushings on mine was so worn it fell off, the other was only hanging on by a thread. I replaced them with some approprately sized pieces of vacuum line. Perhaps these are stops for the panel and your rubber pices have fallen completely off on both sides allowing it to move about a mm farther forward?

If there is a way to adjust it otherwise, pulling the headliner will get you to it I am sure.

There is a special tool for pulling the caps, but I used a claw hammer and my fingers. The black ones are designed for single use only IIRC, however I was able to re-use them all(didnt mangle them too bad.) The larger grey ones are multi-use.

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