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Old 07-23-2005, 08:56 AM   #1
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So, I'm looking for a set of wheels and tires for the wintery months here in New England. I'm pretty much set on wheels, ASA KA3's, but I'm not sure what to get for tires.. I am looking at getting Blizzak WS-50 or Pirelli PZero Nero M&S.. I suppose if I get the Pirelli's i read don't require a new set of wheels.. except for the salt/sand corrosion issues..

I've heard great things about both sets and the price difference between the two is minimal so whatever will do best in my situation:

I will be doing an average amount of winter driving, no excessively long drives or far distances max 25-30 miles in "winter conditions" -- if you're from new england you kno that means anything from plowed roads with minimal slush to fully unplowed snow piles heh..

So what do you think.. A/S or Winters

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Old 07-23-2005, 09:44 AM   #2
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I'm a huge fan of the Bridgestone Blizzak WS-50. I went through two sets on my WRX over four winters (400" snow/yr at my house) and I will be getting a set for my STi in the fall. No experience with the other tire. If snow and ice traction are a priority and you don't want a studded tire, the WS-50 is a great choice.

Another option is the Blizzak LM-22, you give up some snow/ice traction for better performance.
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Old 07-23-2005, 09:59 AM   #3
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Never been a fan of the Blizzaks....just way too much squirm when they're dry, though I admit they are amazing when "used as directed." I personally love the Dunlop WinterSports, I have the M3's on my STi, and the M2's on my 540i. Love them. Very good in the slippery, yet not horribly to drive when dry. The new Pirelli's are supposed to be very good as well.

It really depends where you live and how you drive them. If you lived in an area where 5 out of 7 days you drive the car it was slushy, snowy, slippery, etc I"d get Nokia Hakkas (with studs) or Blizzaks. However, where I live (Rochester NY) we get probably 2 or 3 days out of a winter week where you need snows, and I just cant stand driving on sqirmy squirmy tires that much.
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Old 07-23-2005, 11:22 AM   #4
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hmm.. any more opinions? This is making me lean towards the A/S because I'm in the same sort of situation as bmwm750.. 2-3 days a week of snow/slush driving.. and the only snow tires i've ever driven on were in my friend's stock auto lancer -!- not evo -!- and they were studded.. no problems when I drove on them in april haha except they were studded and there was a bit of drifting around some turns at 40 mph heh.. that was a daily driver POS.. so I'm not sure how "squirmy" snows really are...

I dunno guess I'm looking for more opinions
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Old 07-23-2005, 11:43 AM   #5
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if you're gonna go a/s for year round, then you're gonna lose a considerable amount of performance during the summer. if you do dedicated set for each season, then you'll get the most out of your car at all times. but of course it'll set you back a few hundred more for new wheels.
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Old 07-23-2005, 11:47 AM   #6
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A performance winter tire (LM-22 or a comparable tire) would be good for your situation. You can find info on tirerack.com:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....=Blizzak+LM-22

Here's a comparison with the LM-22, Dunlop and Pirelli snow tires:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...=Blizzak+LM-22

I drove the WS-50 on my WRX in the stock size. It actually had a stiffer sidewall than the stcok tire, and about the same sidewall stiffness as my summer tires (Kumho Ecsta Supra 712). Amazingly, the dry grip was nearly as good as the Kumhos, and improved as the tires wore down. I drove each set for two winters (November - April), then left them on through the following summer to finish them off.
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Old 07-23-2005, 02:08 PM   #7
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A performance winter tire (LM-22 or a comparable tire) would be good for your situation. .
A agree. I ran Wintersport M3's last year on Rota SDRs. Good in the snow, and still OK in the dry.
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Old 07-23-2005, 02:25 PM   #8
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looks like some ASA KA3's and Blizzaks or M3s thanks everyone
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Old 07-23-2005, 04:20 PM   #9
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I use Pirelli PZero Nero M&S (245/40/17) as my winter tire (snows a bunch in the AZ high country, + an annual trip to Colo.), and they're okay, but they're no snow tire. Granted I'm a little wide for a tire used in snow, so that my skew my results a bit. YMMV.

If I were living in Colorado as I used to (or anywhere that I expected to regularly commute in snow), I'd use the Blizzak WS-50s for sure, 225/45s. Great snow tire.

Use the right tool for the job and you'll be .
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Old 07-23-2005, 06:28 PM   #10
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I use PZero Nero M&S year round (although I am putting the summer tires back on for the track) and they have worked great. Quiter and great in the snow/rain. I'm sure they aren't as good on the dry stuff as the stockers, but its an OK compromise for the wet/snow traction (at least for me).
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Old 07-23-2005, 06:37 PM   #11
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I can highly recommend the Blizzak LM-22. They're an H-rated tire, so you do give up some ultimate snow/ice traction, but the clear road traction more than makes up for it imo. And with the added traction capabilities of our cars I haven't even noticed the lesser snow/ice capability of the tires.

Winter before last I spent a lot of it to/from/in CO, WY, MT, UT. Everything from dry pavement to well below 0F ice and snow, 11k' passes (uphill passing lane, usually full of snow even if the outside lanes were not, and still easily passing everything in sight).

On dry or wet pavement my feeling is that they're better than the RE92s; maybe not saying much, but then again they're winter tires! Better traction, crisper handling...and I've been really surprised at the mileage. I've had them for 3 (4?) winters now, all around the NW, plus all the trips to and through the Rockies, and they've still got at least 2/3 tread left. Which is a lot better mileage than you can expect from the fully dedicated winter tires, e.g. WS-50.

I do try not to run them excessively; I'll put the summer tires back on in winter if I don't expect to be driving any snow for several weeks. Bottom line: I'd buy them again - and will - in a heartbeat.
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Hmm well this is all informative and again I thank you all.. what size LM22 or LM25s are you guys running.. since tirerack no longer carries OEM sizing in these.. and the closest match to change size is the 255/40/17 for the two.. this in my mind sounds like it'll do well in snow but not as well as M3s due to the added width and well skinnier tires... but hell I could be dead wrong.. and BTW i am ordering from Tirerack.. can't pass up free mounting/balancing and a closeout on rims..=)
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Looks like Tire Rack has the 235-45-17 in the LM-22. This is just slightly larger OD than stock and should be fine unless you are sitting really low.

Same size is available in the LM-25.

The Dunlop SP Winter Sport M3 is available in 225-45-17. So is the WS-50.
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Mine are stock size - 205x55/16 - on RS 16x7 (5 spoke) wheels (to clear the 4 pots). I also like the idea of not only the narrower tire for winter, but also the taller sidewall for ugly roads.

If TireRack doesn't currently have this size it's likely because they're just out of them until they restock for next winter. Call/email/PM Luke and ask, if that's the size you want.
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If TireRack doesn't currently have this size it's likely because they're just out of them until they restock for next winter. Call/email/PM Luke and ask, if that's the size you want.
Exactly - snow tires are not exactly a hot seller in July. By September or October they will have all the sizes and plenty of stock. Wait until after Thanskgiving and it is slim pickin's again. Don't ask how I know this.

205/50-17 M3's for me.
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What's the delivery time on this stuff.. I'm probably not ordering til mid-october but I am gonna be at school and I wouldnt want the stuff to show up after it snows.. sometimes we get snow in november sometimes we don't get any until late december.. I'd hate to be SOL at school the morning after some snow that froze over.. that'd just be plain ugly on summers..

how's the speedo ratio with 205/50/17s??
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http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html
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Has anyone tried Avon's snow tire? Just wondering.
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If you can't decide between a winter tire and an all-season then the Nokian WR is the tire you need. It is an all-season with an H rating (in 205/55r16, some sizes are V-rated) AND a severe winter weather rating. I wouldn't think it would be a great tire for summer use (although it is possible to use them in summer), but for fall, winter and spring you'll be ready for anything.
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What's the delivery time on this stuff..
If/when TireRack has them in stock normal delivery would, iirc, be 3-5 days. They can give you a good idea, based on where you live, and in my experience they don't overpromise.

Of course if you need them in a hurry you can just pay more for faster shipping. (Had to do overnight last year; the difference was still cheaper than more nights in a motel, plus food!)
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