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Old 07-25-2005, 04:01 PM   #1
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Default Goodyear F1 vs. BFG g-Force T/A KD

Same price, but the F1s seem to have more controversy regarding performance. I understand that both tires have excellent traction, but not very stiff sidewall (sloppy turn-in). I looked at the S03s, but they're $30 more per tire and apparently very noisy and uncomfortable and track a lot.

So, should I get the F1s or the KDs? Some other tire?

I want something for my daily driver that I can take on California highway runs and track days.
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Old 07-25-2005, 05:20 PM   #2
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Considered the T1r? A cheaper, less-noisy alternative to the S0-3
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Old 07-25-2005, 05:51 PM   #3
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Hankook Ventus RS/2 Z212 is the new popular tire out there that is also cheap (if you can find it). I just ordered a set and am having them put on in about a week. There is a decent thread going about that tire.

I am just getting done with a set of F1 GS-D3's, and they are a great wet weather tire that is both quiet and liveable every day. However, if you want a stiff-sidewalled all-out tire that is NOT it for sure. I enjoy them for what they are, though.

Without having used the T1-R it is probably another good one to add to your list to look into, however it is new enough that there are not too many people with first hand experience on it, let alone long-term mileage.

Decide what your main wants/needs are and that will help tailor your tire choice. If you want all out traction and stiff sidewalls, Falken Azenis Sport is usually the favorite. If you want wet weather traction and livability, the Goodyear or Toyo are probably high. The Hankook is supposedly a mix of those two. We will see!
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Old 07-25-2005, 06:49 PM   #4
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Basically, I want the best tire I can get without putting myself in danger during fall/winter and without going deaf on long drives.
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Old 07-25-2005, 07:11 PM   #5
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I think you missed AttaQ's point. Best is subjective. Does it snow where you live? Ohter than that, you've stated that you want a quiet tire and something about "best" whatever that means. Be specific about what you are trying to accomplish.

Tires are made up of a lot of compromises. Do you want better wet traction or better dry traction or balanced. The best wet tire will not be the best dry tire. Is turn in and handling higher on your list than either? If so, that may change the opinions again. You might just say "I want a tire that does all things well". In that case you may end up with a tire that isn't the best at anything but very good at everything.

Oh, and then there is the issue of $$$. Give us the size tires and price range. That would help too.
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Old 07-25-2005, 11:39 PM   #6
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Basically, I want the best tire I can get without putting myself in danger during fall/winter and without going deaf on long drives.

....there have been posts that the Falken 451 seems to have a bit better low(er) temperature characteristics than most 'summer' tires......that said....
.....I'm lovin' the Z212's.....they are a bit noisy on the highway on some surfaces, but not bad for a UHP/MAX perf tire.....and they do well in the rain at full tread....but no low temp info until at least the end of November(around here anyway)....and no treadwear info yet(only ~1k miles so far).....but GRIP-GRIP-GRIP
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Old 07-26-2005, 12:45 AM   #7
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I think you missed AttaQ's point. Best is subjective. Does it snow where you live? Ohter than that, you've stated that you want a quiet tire and something about "best" whatever that means. Be specific about what you are trying to accomplish.

Tires are made up of a lot of compromises. Do you want better wet traction or better dry traction or balanced. The best wet tire will not be the best dry tire. Is turn in and handling higher on your list than either? If so, that may change the opinions again. You might just say "I want a tire that does all things well". In that case you may end up with a tire that isn't the best at anything but very good at everything.

Oh, and then there is the issue of $$$. Give us the size tires and price range. That would help too.
I have a 2003 WRX, so that puts me at 205/55-16.

As for dry vs. wet, I want awesome dry performance and confident wet performance.

As for other performance characteristics, I obviously want traction, but I want to see what a stiffer sidewall can do as well. However, I am shy about some of the "racier" tires because of price and noise/ride comfort. I can put up with some cost ($130 max) and some noise (I just don't want to go insane on long road trips with any mind-numbing woWowoWowoWow).

I'm currently wearing Yokohama Avid V4s, which are down to about a millimeter or two. I liked the wet and dry traction in these, but I want to learn more about my car's handling, so I was hoping to go to a more responsive, grippier tire.

I was reading about the Hankook RS2s, but the only thing that has me hesitating is the reports of overheating. I live in California, and I want to go on occasional country highway runs and track days, where the temps can get pretty high, especially on the shoulders.

Then there's the Azeni Sports, but I'm afraid of having dramatically reduced traction when the rainy season comes again.

Then there's the Goodyear F1s, but they are very expensive, and several people have said that the sidewall is still pretty limp and turn-in is sloppy. Kind of defeats the purpose of me spending so much money...

So bottom line is that I don't exactly know what I want, except that I want to expand my horizons and learn more about my car, about driving, and about what tires can do for me, in addition to having a lot of fun, while still being safe in the rain.

Thanks for your feedback!
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....if you drive your car hard enough to overheat the tires, you need to slow down......and that is one way that you know that you are over driving the car on street tires is that the tires start to 'go away' and you should heed that alarm bell ringing

ALL tires will overheat, and cars that are autoxed will overheat tires very quickly, far more so than track or 'canyon runs' will....and reports of tires overheating are usually associated with the conebashing crowd.
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Old 07-26-2005, 08:46 AM   #9
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....and reports of tires overheating are usually associated with the conebashing crowd.
Yep, unless you are autocrossing the Z212 or doing some hard track work I find it really hard to believe from what we have heard thus far that you will overheat it. If you will overheat that tire in what you plan to do, you are going to need to look at hard core no-compromise stuff.

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Old 07-26-2005, 08:50 AM   #10
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Your stated desires certainyl do not seem to coincide with the GSD3 or the Falken 451 (several complaint of loudness). AS Uncle Scotty inferred, the Hankook Z212s may be the way to go. How about the Kumho MXs? I don't recall seeing a bad review of those. Also , AttaQ says, the Toyo T1Rs (even newer than the Hankooks) are getting pretty good reviews that make it sound appropriate for your stated needs.
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Old 07-26-2005, 10:35 AM   #11
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the KD's are great in the dry but, not very good in the wet .... the Eagles are very good in the dry and excellent in the wet and offer beeter ride quality and more tire life
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This is my second summer of having the Goodyear F1-GSD3's (they're different than the regular F1's). The tire performs amazing on both dry and wet pavement, and the tread life has been good as well. I'm nearing the replacement indicator after about 30k miles, but they still perform great.
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This is my second summer of having the Goodyear F1-GSD3's (they're different than the regular F1's). The tire performs amazing on both dry and wet pavement, and the tread life has been good as well. I'm nearing the replacement indicator after about 30k miles, but they still perform great.
Don't go much past the wear bar indicators. The tire will feel good wet/dry all the way to oblivion. I blew one, but I drive hard, and need max performance tires. My S03's were so uncomfortable at the wear bars that I was glad to take them off.

I noticed a vibration at about 75 mph, but it just felt like a patch of rough road. I finally pulled over and saw that there were two halves of tire on the right rear wheel, but there was no damage to the P7 Prodrive rim.

The tire rack installer said it behaved like a run flat tire. Probably the low profile helped.

I have four new ones on now, and they were in my garage when this happened. Fortunately I had 4 stock wheels with WS-50's to deal with the logistics. Yes, you can haul four large wheels in a wrx.
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I have four new ones on now, and they were in my garage when this happened. Fortunately I had 4 stock wheels with WS-50's to deal with the logistics. Yes, you can haul four large wheels in a wrx.
I'll need some pics of that
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I'll need some pics of that
It's gone, along with the other 3. Just imagine a donut, now make like you are going to cut it in half (without cutting your hand!). Sever it in two well off the center line, near the thinest cross section, where the side wall meets the tread section. Now you have two strips of rubber.

Now the new F1's don't feel as good as the worn out ones did, but they are softer.
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Thanks everyone for all the great info. I just placed an order for a set of the Hankook HS-2 Z212s at $78 each!
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where i need a set!
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