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Old 08-12-2001, 10:19 PM   #1
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Default Need 4wd dyno location in Colorado.

Hey everyone. I was wondering if and where anyone knew of a 4wheel dyno somewhere in Colorado. I want to do some tuning eventually with my new VF22 and 3" turbo back hopefully with a turboXS piggy back system too.

Just wondering if anyone knew the location and possibly how much they charge?

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Old 08-12-2001, 11:22 PM   #2
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Slipstream in Boulder

Bimmer Werks (or whatever they're called now) somewhere in north Denver I think
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Old 08-13-2001, 11:05 AM   #3
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Ro,
Isn't it Bimmerhaus, Bob Tunnell's place in Broomfield that you're referring to?

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Old 08-13-2001, 03:20 PM   #4
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Slipstream seems to be a cool place, but they are open regular biz hours only (M-F 8/5) and are very particular about the conditions of testing. Gary Phyllis is the contact there and is very knowledgeable - he also told me they are getting a load-based dyno so all the Cobb Tuning victims can go and get "accurate" dyno testing for their systems.

Rates are $185 an hour with a 1 hour minimum.

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Old 08-13-2001, 07:25 PM   #5
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Thanks for the info. guys?

JaMa- you sound like you aren't too fond of UniChip and Cobb. You are running the TurboXS right? Are you the one that TurboXS speaks of that is "testing" their unit at high alititude with access to a dyno? I was just wondering becuase I am really torn between the TurboXS and Cobb's Unichip.

With the unichip going to plug-n-play that is better and they are only 800 miles away (Dallas) so I could directly to them and get my car tuned with the VF22 and 3" MRT turbo back. But when I talked with TurboXS they said they wouldn't feel comfortable selling me a map that isn't optimized for my VF22 turbo even though they "might" be using that one in their kit. I can understand their stance and it's respectable but I still want my car tuned decently and Cobb just seems to be a better solution at the moment. What do you think?
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Old 08-13-2001, 09:13 PM   #6
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Dave-

Curiously enough, the Broomfield shop with the dyno also sells the Unichip. However, their costs are quite high. They are asking $1250 for the chip + tuning costs. They definately sound like a reputable place, but cheap they ain't.
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Old 08-13-2001, 11:29 PM   #7
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Naw, I am just being a smarta$$ - after all of the Cobb Tuning/APS statements and retractions made around here in the past few weeks, I thought it only sporting to poke at them. After all, they are quite eager to poke at me when I make wild statements directed at them.

I dont really know who TurboXS is referring to - Yes, I am at high altitude and I can access the dyno, but who knows. I have plans to go hit Slipstream sometime in the next couple of weeks and do some exhaust testing... maybe the chip too...

I have personally been very impressed with everything about TurboXS. I have been playing with cars for many years now and I REALLY appreciate the technical expertise and scientific method with which Mark @ TurboXS approaches his projects. I know that if he sends me something it will be his absolute best work every time with no guesswork. I actually started out wanting to get the Cobb package, but as I learned more about it (cut wires for the ECU, intercooler water spray????, 3 inch exhaust) I decided to find another source. There was an awful lot about Cobb's "package" that disturbed me.

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Old 08-13-2001, 11:35 PM   #8
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I don't come in here too much, but down in ABQ we are still rocky mountains... Anyway, i am thinking of getting my turboxs WRX on the dyno. Anyone want to try and rent this thing for a day? I have a few friends with DSMs and even a turbo impulse that would love to make the road trip up to get some dyno work done. It would be cool to make this work.

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Old 08-13-2001, 11:51 PM   #9
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I would like to do a dyno tuning day BUT I still have to decide on whether to go with TurboXS or Cobb/APS. I talked with Cobb today and they quoted me $500 for the Unichip + 150/hour for tuning and they said if all they have to do is tune the Unichip then it should only take an hour... right =). But still that's not a bad price.

But seriously I would really like to get the TurboXS but they don't officially support/selected the VF22 yet so.... Hopefully things will run alright on the stock ECU for a while until the water settles a little more.
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Old 08-13-2001, 11:54 PM   #10
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I would be all over a "dyno day" to prove various things, hang out, etc. The only problem with Slipstream is the Mf-8/5 nature of the hours. I, however, am planning to take a day off from my real job and go play at the dyno - anyone who wants to join me post here and I will organize it.

Nathan, too bad there's no dyno in Pueblo or Santa fe or somewhere halfway in between....

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Old 08-14-2001, 12:06 AM   #11
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JC Sports had a dyno day, to get new data for their IHI ballbearing turbo kits (with me and Brad) at the BMW shop Autosport Werks in Broomfield off wadworth and hwy 36, behind the mcdonalds on the nw side of the exit.

See mine in the aftermarket turbo forum, search for Whoopass (part 3)...

Gary a slipstream would also be a great place to go. It would be nice if we all used the same dyno though, for comparison sake.

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Old 08-14-2001, 12:34 AM   #12
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Well i think i can put a convoy of at least 3 or 4 WRXs and DSMs to head up that way for a full out dyno day. It would be nice if we could work things so that it happened on a day when Mark was in town (he is going to be visiting Albuquerque soon) Then he could bring his unichip tools with him and we could get some custom stuff done and further his high altitude research at the same time.

I would think that if we took the whole day from 8-5 they might give us a real nice deal. Then we can price out runs based on if they are going to be making tuning pulls or if they want to just know what their putting down. In any case i would not mind an hour or 2 of real tuning time to see what happens.


I would also like to get some tuning done on race gas so that i can have a super agressive map for the drag strip when i go.

13.5 @99.9mph at a drag strip that sits around 3600 feet and had really bad air that night (it was closer to 6000 feet with the pressure) makes me wonder what i can do if i really work my setup before the new turbo and injectors go on.


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Old 08-14-2001, 06:07 PM   #13
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I think you guys should go for it!

Seriously, I think you all will enjoy having the car optimized on the dyno and there's quite a bit that can be learned.

You guys made my day, thank you.
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Old 08-14-2001, 06:58 PM   #14
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I think you guys should go for it!

Seriously, I think you all will enjoy having the car optimized on the dyno and there's quite a bit that can be learned.

You guys made my day, thank you.
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Trey,
Plans are in the works as we speak. NO ONE ever said it was not better to have a car tuned on an AWD dyno, just that everyone is not able to have that done. Whats funny is that i managed to run a 13.5 @99.9 on a track at over 3600 feet (actual air density was over 6000 feet that day) without any dyno tuning. I wonder what that would have been at sea level.

Anyway for the rest of you guys, Mark will be comming with us to help with the tuning, and to further his high alt research. We just need to pick a day and talk prices with slipstream. I know i want at least 3 hours time as i want 2 unichip maps for my setup, and by that point i may well have my turbo and injectors on the car. I want to tune a unichip for race gas and for pump gas to see what happens.

again trey glad we could make your day, you sure made mine by offering a plug and play "half-assed" solution.

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Old 08-14-2001, 08:25 PM   #15
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Nathan,

Like I said, I honestly think it's great. I can only hope you get even better results on the dyno and get closer to running that 12.

Just like you never said it wouldn't work better being dyno tuned, I never said it wouldn't work at all without dyno tuning. So, I'm not surprised by your recent results.

And yes, I'm excited about the User Installable option as well. It will obviously fit the needs for people like yourself who do not have easy access to an AWD Dyno.

Anyway, keep up the good work guys. It's exciting to see fellow Subaru owners pushing ahead in ways that will benefit us all. Hopefully in the not too distant future we'll start seeing more and more of these dynos popping up.

Then again if that happens, what will there be left for us to argue over, right Nathan? Just kidding with you, I still hold no hard feelings against you. We all have our opinions, and I can completely appreciate how we haven't seen "eye-to-eye" on every detail. That's why we have options in this world, right?

Speaking of making your day, we should finally be getting in some of those FMIC's you were interested in the next few weeks.

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Speaking of making your day, we should finally be getting in some of those FMIC's you were interested in the next few weeks.

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Keep me updated on the front mount... i am still very intrested... have the money sitting in the bank, but have some serious questions as to the details of the upgraded top mount vs the FMIC. Got any specs? Such as pressure loss (vs stock as well), heat sink area, and such...

I will say this Mark told me that the intercooler he fitted for AL was top notch. He also mentioned that it didn't really show gains on the dyno, but that the dyno is a really bad place to look for gains on an intercooler (nature of lack of air moving through it)

Trey, i may not see eye to eye with you and APS on the way you frist started to sell the unichip kit, or the way you (at least as i feel it) came out the gate and started bashing Mark's way of doing business, but APS puts out some pretty nice stuff and i think you will do well in that relationship. Mark's business plan must have been pretty good in the end though as i see you guys came around. With any luck, as more AWD dyno's pop up (i know of a few going up very soon...) people will have more choice and can do what i have done. I installed everything on my car to this point, and learned a whole lot in the process, now i want to get a few more HP out of my maps, so i would like to set up a day in the future to get it dyno tuned. Its the best of both worlds for me.

-Nathan
ps i am serious on the FMIC... i would really like to run one of these, but question the difference between the TMIC with water spray and the FMIC.

How about air flow to the radiator? I know of several DSM guys that have had VERY bad luck with FMICs on cars that are used on the race track... i plan to do some track days with my WRX, so i would hate to see temps go too high.
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