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Old 08-13-2001, 07:20 PM   #1
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Question WRX Performance Muffler

I was wondering if anyone has installed the Subaru Performance Muffler?
I noticed it on the accessories section on the Canadian WRX site.
http://www.wrx.ca/english/wrx.htmhttp://www.wrx.ca/english/wrx.htm
If any have installed one, how does it sound?
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Old 08-13-2001, 10:08 PM   #2
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WRX Performance Muffler:

Bolts on to the stock midpipe
Muffler section is same diameter as original equipment mid pipe

Things that make you go hummmmmm!!

Original Equipment = Chambered / Baffled design
WRX Performance = Chambered / Baffled design

You decide.
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Old 08-13-2001, 10:18 PM   #3
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Looks like it's comparing Apples to Apples not worth the $1,200
price tag, albiet the performance system is stainless steel
any suggestions ?
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Old 08-13-2001, 10:27 PM   #4
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Went through the same dillema you did when I first bought my Legacy GT.

I have a friend in Toronto who owns Brullen Exhaust. I now have a 2.25" cat back exhaust system on my car, a free flow design with 2 resonators to limit the droning inside the car.

My car now sounds great, a smooth mellow boxer sound that doesn't attract cops, with the performance benefit of having a flow through design.

GTBGUY sells these systems for the WRX, several models are available along with your choice of tips.

Turbo Back Models are available for off road use, of course. Big HP Gains, but not quite legal in Canada due to no Cats.

Cat back exhausts in 3" ID will result in surprising gains.

PM, GTBGUY and ask for Canadian pricing. He's located in Calgary.

Hope this helps.
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Old 08-14-2001, 01:15 AM   #5
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JoeT - Thanks for the props! Did you get any of my emails?

Anyways for those guys in Alberta all the way east to Manitoba. It is Legal to run w/o cats.

rustler


There are 2 version downpipes. :

1) Street (w/ 3" ID hi-flow cat)
2) Race (w/ 3" ID test pipe and no cat).

Instead of paying $1200CAD + GST for a rear section (ie: B-pipe back). You could already get a Brullen 3" Cat-back for your WRX.
Or you could add some more money and get a street version downpipe as well.
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Old 08-14-2001, 05:01 AM   #6
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[i]Anyways for those guys in Alberta all the way east to Manitoba. It is Legal to run w/o cats
Are you sure about that my friend? We have a guy in the shop with 1974 sports car that was issued a ticket for no cat. The cop knew that in 1974 cats were mandated & that the car came equipped w/ one.

You may be right, I heard the same thing from someone who should know, the Environment Minister. But he's an *****.
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Old 08-14-2001, 04:42 PM   #7
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damianq - Well I know for sure that Alberta and Sask. are exempt from having cat's on. (Only on Diesel engine I believe that you must have them). There are MANY cars w/o cats here in Calgary.
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Old 08-14-2001, 04:44 PM   #8
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Hey GTBGUY,

No, I haven't received any new emails from you at all.
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Old 08-17-2001, 10:15 AM   #9
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GTBGuy, will those mufflers and pipes affect my warranty on a new WRX?
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Old 08-17-2001, 11:04 AM   #10
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North - No they will not. Since you're not increasing boost or anything, warranty will be fine.
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Old 08-17-2001, 01:19 PM   #11
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A friend of mine got a $2,000 fine for running without any cats (he punctured them and emptied them out) (Calgary) about 3 or 4 years ago.

So, Im sure its ILLEGAL to run without a cat on the street in Alberta, unless the laws have changed since them (which im pretty sure they havent).
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Old 08-17-2001, 02:59 PM   #12
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Tulit - I think you're friend should go and get his money back

This is taken from the Alberta Highway Traffic Act :

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46(1) A motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine shall be equipped with an exhaust muffler consisting of a series of pipes or chambers which ensures that the exhaust gases from the engine are cooled and expelled without excessive noise and without the emission of any flame or sparks.

(2) No person shall drive or operate a motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine when the muffler with which the vehicle is equipped is cut out or disconnected from the engine.

(3) No person shall drive or operate a motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine equipped with a muffler from which has been removed a baffle-plate or other part.

(4) No person shall drive or operate a motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine equipped with a muffler, the exhaust outlet of which has been opened or widened.

(5) No person shall drive or operate a motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine equipped with a muffler or exhaust system to which is attached any device which increases the noise of the expulsion of the gases from the engine or allows a flame to be ignited from the exhaust system.

(6) This section does not apply to a school bus having a capacity of 24 or more passengers. 1975(2) c56 s36
In no where in the highway traffic act of Alberta does it say that it is illegal to run without catalyitic converters.

Here's the link, you can check the document yourself :

Alberta Highway Traffic Act
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Old 08-17-2001, 03:33 PM   #13
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Where abouts does it mention is legal to tamper with emissions systems?

You can't assume that because its not in that one document (which deals with mufflers, not emissions equipment) that it must be legal.

Its common sense that its the law to have a catalytic converter. Why else would manufcatures bother putting them on? It costs them money!!!!

If you show me a document saying its lawful to remove or tamper with emission controls, then ill believe you.
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Old 08-17-2001, 04:51 PM   #14
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tulit - If you go to the link, you can go search the whole AB Highway and Traffic act. I did a search and there was nothing to do with emissions equipment etc.

I'm not sure if you're familar with the Act, but no where in the document does it state you must have a cat. This act covers ever part of a motor vehicle, including emissions.

Manufactures put in the cats to meet enviromental standards, not laws. However, the main reason they have cats on all the cars, is b/c it's cheaper than having them selectively on. If you look at some cars in Japan or Europe, they don't have cats from factory.

Also, please read this carefully : No where did I state it was lawful to remove or tamper w/ emissions etc... and I quote :

Quote:
... its lawful to remove or tamper with emission controls.....
All I said that it was not illegal to run without a cat. There is a very big difference here. Not being illegal doesn't necessarily constitute a law.

So please take your time and take a look.

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Old 08-19-2001, 03:24 PM   #15
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I contacted transport canada. Lets see what they say...
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Old 08-19-2001, 07:14 PM   #16
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Tulit - Alberta is not Transport Canada's juristiction. Just like an RCMP officer cannot legally pull you over in the city of Calgary/Edmonton and ticket you.

Also, why do you think there's only emissions testing in BC and Ontario and not here in Alberta? Each province's laws are different.
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Old 08-19-2001, 08:26 PM   #17
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So they have no jurisdication over Alberta? I guess they wouldnt over BC, Sask, Manitoba, Ontario, Quebec, etc, etc either. Come to think of it, they wouldn't have any jurisdication over anybody then? So what role do they play? Just sit around and stare at each other? That makes sense........
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Old 08-19-2001, 08:43 PM   #18
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From ec.gc.ca

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CEPA 1999 transferred responsibility for regulating vehicle emissions from Transport Canada under the Motor Vehicle Safety Act to Environment Canada under CEPA. This power is now found in Part 7, Division 5, of CEPA 1999. The Regulations that were passed under the Motor Vehicle Safety Act that control vehicle emissions remain in effect under CEPA 1999.

The provisions in CEPA 1999, Part 7, Division 5, governing motor vehicle emissions are consistent with the repealed provisions of the Motor Vehicle Safety Act. The federal Interpretation Act provides that where provisions under one Act are repealed, and are replaced by provisions under a new law, regulations made under those repealed provisions remain in effect as long as they are consistent with the new law. therefore, the parts of the Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations that establish standards for automobile emissions remain in force until new regulations made under s.160 of CEPA 1999 replace them. To examine The Regulations in force that apply to motor vehicle emissions, go to the Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations. the relevant clauses of those regulations are s.5 and s.11(1)(f.1). Schedule V of The Regulations sets out the full requirements. the provisions of CEPA 1999, Part 7, Division 5, also allow for regulations to be made for off-road engines and equipment. To date, no regulations have been passed in these areas
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So sorry, you're right Transport Canada doesn't regulate it. Environment Canada does.
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Old 08-20-2001, 03:53 PM   #19
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Removing a cat on your car voids your emissions warranty ten ways from sunday. Also, if you have problems with your motor (CE light, etc) the dealer can also deny you warrenty coverage because part of the OBD II systems responsibility is to check catalyst efficiency.

GTBGUY: I would hardly call california's pollution controls "standards". Likewise most other places. They aren't checking to see if your car meets emissions to give the beaurecrats something to do. These are ironclad laws with very very severe penalities for breaking them. And while we're here, diesel engines are NOT required to run with cats because they have a totally different set of pollution controls.

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Old 08-23-2001, 12:37 PM   #20
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Tulit - So did you find out more info?
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