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Old 08-05-2005, 10:09 PM   #26
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So how are they in the rain?



....great so far....drove back from Daytona in the pouring rain at 80+ and they brake well, wet, too....
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Old 08-05-2005, 10:27 PM   #27
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....great so far....drove back from Daytona in the pouring rain at 80+ and they brake well, wet, too....
Have you ever driven the GSD3s? Anyone know how they compare?
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Old 08-05-2005, 10:40 PM   #28
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OK, it just got worse!

They scratched the crap out of every wheel accept the one that was already scratched! Not little, incidental, scratches that occur when working on a wheel but large 1/8" wide x 1-2" long scratches through the paint to bare metal.

I said something about it but they said the manager was gone for the day and I'd need to come back tommorow.

Hopefully they'll be paying for either refinishing or replacement wheels after I talk to the manager.

you really need to do more research when having somebody else handle your car man...i got my tires within 4 business days from tires.com

they even include new valve stems if you ask them nicely over the phone.
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Old 08-05-2005, 10:54 PM   #29
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you really need to do more research when having somebody else handle your car man...i got my tires within 4 business days from tires.com

they even include new valve stems if you ask them nicely over the phone.

Yeah, I'm usually a huge stickler about that but my wife has been in the hospital all week, I had a blow-out on the interstate, the shop was close by and claimed to be able to get the tires the next day. Anyway, I needed them quick and with minimum hassle (i.e. having to wait for the UPS man at the house, etc.)

I should have just ordered them from discount tire like I had originally planned and had them put on at the normal tire shop that I've had good experiences with but what can you do?

Hopefuly I'll talk to the manager tommorow and everything wil be taken care of. Otherwise I'll just report them to the BBB and get on with my life.
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Old 08-05-2005, 11:00 PM   #30
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What are the chances of getting 25K+ miles out of these? I haven't found much information about long term wear. I do the occasional auto-x and I drive pretty conservatively on the street with the occasional 40 MPH, 90 degree turn or the 90 MPH sweeper when it's safe to do so. Probably 40% city 60% hwy.

The only other option I've found that I like that would seem to provide a little bit better wear would be the BFG G-Force Sports but would they be anywhere near as sticky as the R-S2?

Also, I will be using these on the stock 16x6.5 rims. With the BFGs I could squeze in a 215/55 without too much bulging. The only size wider than the 205/55 in the R-S2 is the 225/50. Are the sidewalls of the R-S2s stiff enough that I could run the 225s on a 6.5" wheel without too much turn-in loss?

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Ive had my RS-2 n 225/45/17 for over 12,000 miles already......
i stilll have about 65%-70% tread wear left and I drive spirited from time to time.
here is a quick vid that I took just the other day.
nothing amazing.. just a video to share

http://www.customcarperformance.com/...s/08032005.wmv

Im going to try the S1 EVOs (luxury high performance)
then ill go back to RS2 Z212.
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Old 08-05-2005, 11:13 PM   #31
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Ive had my RS-2 n 225/45/17 for over 12,000 miles already......
i stilll have about 65%-70% tread wear left and I drive spirited from time to time.
here is a quick vid that I took just the other day.
nothing amazing.. just a video to share

http://www.customcarperformance.com/...s/08032005.wmv

Im going to try the S1 EVOs (luxury high performance)then ill go back to RS2 Z212.

...only the one 17" size?????....bummer....I am REALLY getting to like the gearing difference that the 235/40 gives....
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Old 08-05-2005, 11:25 PM   #32
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...only the one 17" size?????....bummer....I am REALLY getting to like the gearing difference that the 235/40 gives....
how are the 235/40, i got 17x7.5 , you have the same specs?
is there a big difference?
post up some pics, kinda curious on they look on 17x7.5
bummer?? why? what do you mean
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Old 08-06-2005, 12:16 AM   #33
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how are the 235/40,I like the tires, so far.....~1500 miles
i got 17x7.5 , you have the same specs?yep
is there a big difference?Big enough that I may have to re-tune a bit
post up some pics, kinda curious on they look on 17x7.5....my camera cable is borked....gotta get a card reader......so no pics for the moment....
bummer??
why? what do you mean....by having only 1 17" size, Hankook is severly limiting the possible market for this tire.....if it is anywhere near as good as the Z212, with a higher treadwear rating and less noise....it may sell well in more 17" sizes....like the 235/40 and the 235/45(STi size)
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Old 08-06-2005, 12:45 AM   #34
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still confused sorry.. still need to sober up, hahaha
anyways, There are more sizes in 17s for the Z212s.
and you do know that I have the Z212s on right nwo right?
what tires do you think I am talking about? anyways... post pics when you can.
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Old 08-06-2005, 01:54 AM   #35
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still confused sorry.. still need to sober up, hahaha
anyways, There are more sizes in 17s for the Z212s.
and you do know that I have the Z212s on right nwo right?
what tires do you think I am talking about? anyways... post pics when you can.
payce~


....I'm talkin' about the S1 EVO's........that you mentioned and I bolded them in the other post......
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Old 08-14-2005, 06:54 AM   #36
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Thanks!! That doesn't look like they are bulging too bad. It will be interesting to see how you do on the 13th. Keep us posted!
I just got back from the autocross. Even though this is almost a meaningless comparison, these tires have a ton of grip compared to the RE92's. I was taking fast sweepers and turns where I'd usually have the car twitching and/or sliding at the exits, but I had almost none of that tonight. I'll have to attribute some of the difference to the front sway bar though. I ended up second in my class (several stock classes together, with street tire restriction).

I ran the pressures at 45 psi front, 44 psi rear. This course was 10 seconds shorter than our usual local championship courses, and it was a cool night at ~61F, so the pressures barely increased 1 psi. There was no rollover onto the shoulders or even past the curve where the contact with the ground ends.

Strangely, at street pressures (~40 front, ~38 rear), I can hear a flabby sound once in a while when I go over bumps.

EDIT: Flappy noise was from the front swaybar clunking.

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Old 08-14-2005, 11:21 PM   #37
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Does anyone know how these tires compare to khumo MXs. I read Grassroots Motorsport review and while the hankooks posted faster times they said the hankooks weren't as solid.

I was going to get the Khumos in a 225/50/16 but they are $115 from the tirerack plus shipping and the Hankooks are only 80 bucks from discount tire with free shipping.

I currently have the falken azenis sports in the stock 205/55/16 and I love them but I think that the stock size tires are just not enough for a WRX. I just picked up some MY99 16x7 rims so sidewall flex wont be as much an issue.

Anyways just wondering if anyone has tried both tires
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Does anyone know how these tires compare to khumo MXs. I read Grassroots Motorsport review and while the hankooks posted faster times they said the hankooks weren't as solid.

I was going to get the Khumos in a 225/50/16 but they are $115 from the tirerack plus shipping and the Hankooks are only 80 bucks from discount tire with free shipping.

I currently have the falken azenis sports in the stock 205/55/16 and I love them but I think that the stock size tires are just not enough for a WRX. I just picked up some MY99 16x7 rims so sidewall flex wont be as much an issue.

Anyways just wondering if anyone has tried both tires

I've had all three of those and the Hankooks are as good or better than the MX's, at least initially....I have ~2k miles on 'em....they are a LOT better street tire than the Falken RT-215, IMO.....we'll see just how long they last.
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Old 08-15-2005, 10:26 AM   #39
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Last year I ran the Ecsta MXs in 245/40/17, and at the beginning of this summer I got a set of Z212s in 235/40/17. So far, I like the Z212s better. The sidewall is significantly stiffer, and it feels like they have more lateral grip (although it was a few weeks between auto-xs after switching tires, so it's hard to say for sure). My biggest complaint is that turn-in feels a little sloppy with the Z212s.

For daily driving I feel that there's really not much of a difference between the two.

When you take price into consideration, it makes it pretty obvious to me that the Hankook Z212s are the better choice.

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Old 08-15-2005, 11:56 AM   #40
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OK, maybe I'm just being over analytical here, but the Z212s feel like huge beachballs to me. The weight transfer is erratic and unpredictable, I cannot feel the road through the steering wheel, there is a half-second lag between my steering input and actual mechanical translation on the part of the car, I have to crank about 10% further than I'm used to to get the same angle of deflection, and the degree of turn-in is not consistent throughout the turn (when turning hard, there is about a 0.5 second delay and then oversteer increases suddenly). Yeah, these tires have great traction, but I have to fight with the tires to get them to load happily in the turns. I haven't tried upping the pressure to 45 yet, but will that help? I'm not rolling over the shoulder line as it is, so I don't know if more pressure will do anything. So far, I'm pretty disappointed with these tires, compared to my Yokohama V4s (which had none of the problems I'm complaining about here).
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OK, maybe I'm just being over analytical here, but the Z212s feel like huge beachballs to me. The weight transfer is erratic and unpredictable, I cannot feel the road through the steering wheel, there is a half-second lag between my steering input and actual mechanical translation on the part of the car, I have to crank about 10% further than I'm used to to get the same angle of deflection, and the degree of turn-in is not consistent throughout the turn (when turning hard, there is about a 0.5 second delay and then oversteer increases suddenly). Yeah, these tires have great traction, but I have to fight with the tires to get them to load happily in the turns. I haven't tried upping the pressure to 45 yet, but will that help? I'm not rolling over the shoulder line as it is, so I don't know if more pressure will do anything. So far, I'm pretty disappointed with these tires, compared to my Yokohama V4s (which had none of the problems I'm complaining about here).
How many miles do you have on the tires? What size tires?



Just ordered a set today from tires.com.
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Old 08-15-2005, 09:59 PM   #42
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Hey Greg,

Congradulations on 2nd place in SK2! I couldn't even keep up with you on the stock RE-92's, now there's an even bigger gap between our times. Glad to hear you like the tires though. Any idea if they need to be sprayed on hot days? As soon as I fix my suspension I'll most likely be buying a set of the R-S2s.

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About 500 mi. 205/55-16
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Hey Greg,

Congradulations on 2nd place in SK2! I couldn't even keep up with you on the stock RE-92's, now there's an even bigger gap between our times. Glad to hear you like the tires though. Any idea if they need to be sprayed on hot days? As soon as I fix my suspension I'll most likely be buying a set of the R-S2s.

-Justin

Hey, just thought I would throw my .02 in...

I just got back from a 2 day auto-x at the NCAC in greensboro. It was an awesome time and I got to put my new "kooks" to the test.
They worked quite well. As for spraying, lets just put it this way..
90 degrees air temp. front psi for first run set at 42. we did 5 runs in a row.
by run three they were only up to 45 or so. They never got overly hot to the touch and psi increase was easily manageable. I can only imagine that a non NC summer parking lot would be even better for psi management.
I also got to test water usage, total downpour on the highway for 20 min on the way home. No problem. These tires have quite a bit of space for the water to escape. Therin lies their potential weakness. less contact=less traction. but at $78ish a tire, they are worth every penny. so far

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That's good to hear. The one thing that bugged me about Azenis was the fact that on hot days they required a spray. Not a huge deal, but it's just one more thing to do between runs. I always watched guys frantically check tires pressures, spray the intercooler, then spray the wheels before their next run...no time to relax and calm down. If I don't have to do it, then I'd rather not. The Hankooks keep sounding better each day.
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....give them some more miles and up the pressures a bit.....and if you are on a 'stock' alignment, that is likely an issue, too.
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I spray mine down between runs... they seem to work better when cool to medium-hot. They get greasy at high temperatures, though the dropoff in grip isn't as sharp as an overheated Azenis. Those seem to go from good to crap in a hurry.
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Haven't read the whole thread, but once you can get some camber in the car, the optimum pressure for these tires is around 36psi hot.

We ran -4.0 camber and with the 36psi had perfect wear and the best grip out of any of the pressures we tried.

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Tom,

Would the optimal pressure be different for a higher profile tire, say 225/50-16's on the OEM WRX wheels? The max camber I can get is -1.5 with stock adjustments (for stock class). The wear for this combination looked about right with my pressures at 44-45 psi on a fairly tight course:



Justin,

As Mako was saying, we missed you at the autocross. I don't remember if Max sprays his R-S2's; I either forgot to ask or forgot what he said. I bought a sprayer anyway from Home Depot to use at least for practice days and probably for the championship events if it feels like the tires are hot after each run.
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Tom,

Would the optimal pressure be different for a higher profile tire, say 225/50-16's on the OEM WRX wheels? The max camber I can get is -1.5 with stock adjustments (for stock class). The wear for this combination looked about right with my pressures at 44-45 psi on a fairly tight course:
Good question, I'd kinda like to know the same thing.

BTW, thanks for coming back from your autocross with some input!
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