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Old 08-05-2005, 12:33 AM   #1
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Im sort of confused on what maps to use. Im getting the accessport tomorrow, but the place im buying it from is confusing me. I want to know if i can run the stage 1 base map and run the stage 2 real time map? They told me that could not be done. Are they wrong. What are the real time maps for then? Im was under the impression that i could switch between the stage 1 and stage 2 maps under certain circumstances and if my battery goes dead or something, I have the stage 1 base map flashed.
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Old 08-05-2005, 01:30 AM   #2
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You can run any realtime map over any base map and the realtime will always take precidence over the base map. I can say with absolute certainty you can run the stage 2 RT map with a stage 1 Base.. I did it for 2 days after I installed my UP/DP/CB because I couldn't find my init connector.

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Old 08-05-2005, 10:15 AM   #3
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RT maps don't have CEL defeats built into them that's only coverd under the BASE maps. Also people have had high egts whenever running wacky combination of BASE and RT maps. The rule of thumb is run a BASE maps that covers all of your mods. You don't even need to load a RT map on top of the BASE because when you first turn the car on after a BASE reflash the ecu builds a RT map from the BASE to use.

Amp2k, just because it worked for you on a limited time basis doesn't mean it's the correct thing to do. Stop spreading incorrect information which may cause issues for people that don't know any better.
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Old 08-05-2005, 10:52 AM   #4
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RT maps don't have CEL defeats built into them that's only coverd under the BASE maps. Also people have had high egts whenever running wacky combination of BASE and RT maps. The rule of thumb is run a BASE maps that covers all of your mods. You don't even need to load a RT map on top of the BASE because when you first turn the car on after a BASE reflash the ecu builds a RT map from the BASE to use.

Amp2k, just because it worked for you on a limited time basis doesn't mean it's the correct thing to do. Stop spreading incorrect information which may cause issues for people that don't know any better.
Show me where Cobb says it can't/shouldn't be done. It may not be the optimal way to run but that doesn't mean it won't work.

As for the CEL defeats, if he is running a stage 1 base all the CEL defeats are there and are no differenat than the CEL defeats in stage 2.
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Old 08-05-2005, 11:26 AM   #5
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There are other changes that are only made in the base maps- CL/OL delay handling, knock correction maps, etc. If you were to use a stock Base Map with a stage 2 real time map on an 04/05 wrx, you would see the stock CL behaviour with more boost. Bad news.

As far as mixing stage 1 and stage 2, I think it should be okay for the most part.

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Old 08-05-2005, 03:51 PM   #6
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Show me where Cobb says it can't/shouldn't be done. It may not be the optimal way to run but that doesn't mean it won't work.
No offence... really... but keep telling yourself that if you want to.
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No offence... really... but keep telling yourself that if you want to.
No offence but show me some proof and then I'll belive it, I'm not opposed to being proved wrong.
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Old 08-05-2005, 10:39 PM   #8
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A while back there were problems with high egts on cars running mix and match maps of base and rt. I don't have the time to dig it up on Cobb's Forums, but trust me, it's there. Originally, if memory serves me right, it was an STI issue, but WRX users started reporting it also. It's like you said... it's not OPTIMAL... and certainly something I would never let someone run on a daily basis. If you're Stage 2, run Stage 2 base. After all, you could pee without pulling it out, but why would you on a regular basis.
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Old 08-05-2005, 11:43 PM   #9
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After all, you could pee without pulling it out, but why would you on a regular basis.
Because I'm lazy like that.

I am under the impression that RT maps are good for temporary situations, such as competing in an event or valet modes. Since I don't have a TBE (or any exhaust mods for that matter) I plan on running the "Stock" RT map in STX during my competitive runs, and then my normal Stage 1 map in Time Only.
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Well I just got the AccessPort and have the stage 2 base map for two days...tonight I loaded the stx real time map for Sunday's autocross. Vendor advised that I should switch the real time maps a few hours before competition. After, I will flash to stage 2 real time. Will this cause problems because I autocross several times a month, if possible...and my dad co-drives my car. Should I just run the stx base map as well? By the way, I'm running a gutted UP, stromung 3" DP, factory third cat, and 2.5" straight pipe all the way back. Thanks.
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Well I just got the AccessPort and have the stage 2 base map for two days...tonight I loaded the stx real time map for Sunday's autocross. Vendor advised that I should switch the real time maps a few hours before competition. After, I will flash to stage 2 real time. Will this cause problems because I autocross several times a month, if possible...and my dad co-drives my car. Should I just run the stx base map as well? By the way, I'm running a gutted UP, stromung 3" DP, factory third cat, and 2.5" straight pipe all the way back. Thanks.
I would run the Stage 2 base map and switch to the STX realtime because you'll spend more time driving the car on the street than you will AutoX'ing. You don't want to keep switching base maps because you can only flash the ECU so many times before it burns out the memory chips (changing realtime maps does not have this effect on the ECU because the realtime maps are stored in different memory).
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