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Old 08-10-2005, 06:59 PM   #1
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i followed all the steps required to remove the engine. followed the FSM to the letter. i supported the transmission. slightly lifted the engine. the darn thing won't slide forward. what do i do? is there some trick to this?

any help is appreciated.
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Old 08-10-2005, 07:19 PM   #2
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The guide pins can rust and need some force applied to them. Yank on the lift chain a bit to see if that will crack it loose. Sometimes you have to get in there with a small pry bar to get it started, and then bring in a bigger one to actually crack it loose...
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Old 08-10-2005, 07:40 PM   #3
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is there ANYTHING required to remove the engine that isn't covered in the FSM?

there look to be two bolts on some piece of black metal right behind the oil pan, and they bolt into the engine. i don't want to remove them if it isn't necessary. i don't even know what they are, but is it necessary?
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Old 08-10-2005, 07:56 PM   #4
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Thats the scatter sheild for the flywheel, that doesn't need to be removed.. Like stated above, i bet its the guide pins that are rusted/corroded. Same thing happened to me when i took my engine out.. It took some beating and wedging of a screwdriver or prybar to get enough leverage to get it to seperate.
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Old 08-10-2005, 08:22 PM   #5
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thanks. i guess i'll give it some more elbow grease. i can't even find a good leverage point. i'm prying it with a crowbar and can't even get it separated enough to fit in a flathead screwdriver to keep it open.
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Old 08-10-2005, 08:43 PM   #6
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With manuals I always leave the clutch hooked up till the very end and use it to seperate the trans from engine. ~1700 lbs of pressure plate springs seperates even the most stubborn trans.
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Old 08-10-2005, 08:58 PM   #7
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thanks. i guess i'll give it some more elbow grease. i can't even find a good leverage point. i'm prying it with a crowbar and can't even get it separated enough to fit in a flathead screwdriver to keep it open.
Almost sounds like you missed a bellhousing bolt/nut somewhere
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Old 08-10-2005, 09:15 PM   #8
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o.k.

i got it cracked. i got it to slide off of the transmission by about an inch and then it won't move a bit more after that. i'm so fresh out of ideas that i don't know what to do.

now what? geez...maybe i'm just blowing off steam. does anyone have a trick to get it the rest of the way off? and what's better, having the engine chains taut, or the transmission slightly jacked up when supported by the jack?
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Old 08-10-2005, 09:50 PM   #9
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did you get the clutch fork and parts out of the trans?
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Old 08-10-2005, 10:25 PM   #10
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did you get the clutch fork and parts out of the trans?
huh??!?!!?!?!!!??!?!!

the manual didn't say anything about messing with the trans...
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Old 08-10-2005, 10:38 PM   #11
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You only have to pull clutch fork pin with a turbo trans.
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Old 08-10-2005, 10:56 PM   #12
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so this means it's just brute force? That's what i've been using, and i don't know if it's working...
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Old 08-11-2005, 03:58 AM   #13
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it'd help us a lot if u tell us what car you have. if its a WRX then your clutch fork pin needs to be taking off it sounds like u have some sort of turbo subaru soo chances are this is what it is
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Old 08-11-2005, 08:42 AM   #14
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sorry...
no turbo. 2.5L saabaru. i got about an inch and a half of separation before i quit last night. i don't know if its a matter of brute force or not. it seems like it is.
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Old 08-11-2005, 09:00 AM   #15
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from what you're describing it sounds like the front of the motor is tilting forward too much causing the lower to studs to sit in their entry holes rather than be straight.

One thing you can try is jacking up the front of the motor (making sure you use wood in between the oil pan and the jack) and just jack it little by little. Try to get a pry bar to help you pry a little more out or the handle of a wooden hammer if you can fit it in there. The key is getting the motor aligned in place again so the input shaft is not resting on the top set of splines on the clutch disc. Think of this a cross-threading a bolt. It is much tougher to tighten because it is not inline with the threads already cut on the female entry.

Hope this helps. Just relax and try not to get frustrated as I've been down that road before and I've f-ed up couple of things.
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You do want to jack up the tranny. You probably are hanging up on the mainshaft and the bottom through bolts. Then reach under the front of the engine and tilt it up so it is parallel to the tranny, and pull forward (you can put your fingers in the exhaust ports). It should just pop off. I am going to assume that the engine is high enough to be off the mounts since you got it out this far.
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Old 08-11-2005, 11:25 AM   #17
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oh,
And many a guy has forgotten to unscrew the pitch rod...
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Old 08-11-2005, 06:13 PM   #18
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i got that cause it was in the manual.
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Old 08-12-2005, 01:58 AM   #19
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i didn't have to unscrew the pitch rod. just make sure the tranny is jacked up enough for the engine mount bolts to clear the crossmember for you to pull it forward.
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