Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Wednesday July 30, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Technical > Transmission (AT/MT) & Driveline

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-11-2005, 09:58 AM   #1
Ottawagon
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 87068
Join Date: May 2005
Chapter/Region: E. Canada
Location: Ontario, Canada
Vehicle:
04 WRX Wagon
WRB

Default Perrin adjustable short shifter - problem

Well I finally picked up that perrin adjustable piece that shortens the throws, and I found on the install that you can't actually raise it up on the shift stick that much as they say, as the other bar (that connects to the lever) hits the metal box around the shift box. Not the trim piece - I rotated and trimmed that like you're supposed to, but the actual metal box with the rubber gasket around it.

The instructions say you should be able to go up to 51mm from the top of the stick - I didn't measure it, but I can't get anywhere near that high. It is only about 3 cm up from the bottom! Throws are still a bit shorter, but it would be nice to play around with it and some really short quick ones.

Anyone know anything about this? So far I am not really thrilled with the product.

PS - it is an 04 rex wagon - is there some subtle differences with other years, or with the sedan here?
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Ottawagon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-11-2005, 10:20 AM   #2
WimpWgn
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 66580
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Los Angeles
Default

Did you flip the shifter 180deg?
WimpWgn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-11-2005, 10:20 AM   #3
Ace009
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 70353
Join Date: Sep 2004
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Chicago
Vehicle:
2004 WRX
PSM

Default

What I did was I removed the metal piece instead of prying it open like what was "recommended". This however, caused additional noise and vibration.
I don't have this SS anymore because it broke (the adapter cracked) and I replaced it with the Cobb SS.
Ace009 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-11-2005, 10:20 AM   #4
Undepelo
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 34960
Join Date: Apr 2003
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: MD
Vehicle:
What would baby
Jesus say of OT?

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ottawagon
Well I finally picked up that perrin adjustable piece that shortens the throws, and I found on the install that you can't actually raise it up on the shift stick that much as they say, as the other bar (that connects to the lever) hits the metal box around the shift box. Not the trim piece - I rotated and trimmed that like you're supposed to, but the actual metal box with the rubber gasket around it.

The instructions say you should be able to go up to 51mm from the top of the stick - I didn't measure it, but I can't get anywhere near that high. It is only about 3 cm up from the bottom! Throws are still a bit shorter, but it would be nice to play around with it and some really short quick ones.

Anyone know anything about this? So far I am not really thrilled with the product.

PS - it is an 04 rex wagon - is there some subtle differences with other years, or with the sedan here?
I would recommend you shot some pictures and post them here. I used to have the PSS adapter on my 03 sedan and it was fantastic. I never went up as high as 50mm. Thats going to give you a terrible shifting feel. I just put it in 1st gear, lift the adapter such that there is enough clearance to the metal frame (I cut a notch out of mine). Then I lubed up the rubber gasket that surrounds the throw arm going to the transm. with a not petroleum based grease. I think it was Teflon based bike grease. I would recommend you put a lot of attention in to having everything aligned as much as possible. Set up the shifter like it was stock and look carefully how the shifter itself is aligned with respect to the arms and everything else. Try to set up the PSS adapter so that this alignment is preserved. When I set mine up the first time I thought the feel was great. I would have a bit of difficulty every once in a while with the precision of the shifts but I thought it was the Subaru, not the way the SS was installed. One day I decided to fiddle around with it and noticed I could align it better. OMFG! It was so much better after that!. So If you feel the precision of your shifting isn't good after the install, try aligning it a bit better. Probably run a few days with a hex key in the tray and the covers for the shifter off. . GL
Undepelo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-11-2005, 10:49 AM   #5
Ottawagon
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 87068
Join Date: May 2005
Chapter/Region: E. Canada
Location: Ontario, Canada
Vehicle:
04 WRX Wagon
WRB

Default

Thanks for the input guys! Yeah, I did rotate the lever 180 degrees - I basically did what you said - I put it in first, lifted it as high as it would go, then lowered it just a bit and tightened it. I figured if it was at the top height it would rub too much. Good idea to grease it a bit. Sounds like the only way to get it up higher is to cut a small notch out of the box... how hard is it to cut? Did you have to manouver a jig saw in there, or is the metal there thin? To be honest, I am not that keen on cutting into that piece, though it seems maybe that is the only way to get the adapter up that high.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Undepelo
I would recommend you shot some pictures and post them here. I used to have the PSS adapter on my 03 sedan and it was fantastic. I never went up as high as 50mm. Thats going to give you a terrible shifting feel. I just put it in 1st gear, lift the adapter such that there is enough clearance to the metal frame (I cut a notch out of mine). Then I lubed up the rubber gasket that surrounds the throw arm going to the transm. with a not petroleum based grease. I think it was Teflon based bike grease. I would recommend you put a lot of attention in to having everything aligned as much as possible. Set up the shifter like it was stock and look carefully how the shifter itself is aligned with respect to the arms and everything else. Try to set up the PSS adapter so that this alignment is preserved. When I set mine up the first time I thought the feel was great. I would have a bit of difficulty every once in a while with the precision of the shifts but I thought it was the Subaru, not the way the SS was installed. One day I decided to fiddle around with it and noticed I could align it better. OMFG! It was so much better after that!. So If you feel the precision of your shifting isn't good after the install, try aligning it a bit better. Probably run a few days with a hex key in the tray and the covers for the shifter off. . GL
Ottawagon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-11-2005, 11:01 AM   #6
Undepelo
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 34960
Join Date: Apr 2003
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: MD
Vehicle:
What would baby
Jesus say of OT?

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ottawagon
Thanks for the input guys! Yeah, I did rotate the lever 180 degrees - I basically did what you said - I put it in first, lifted it as high as it would go, then lowered it just a bit and tightened it. I figured if it was at the top height it would rub too much. Good idea to grease it a bit. Sounds like the only way to get it up higher is to cut a small notch out of the box... how hard is it to cut? Did you have to manouver a jig saw in there, or is the metal there thin? To be honest, I am not that keen on cutting into that piece, though it seems maybe that is the only way to get the adapter up that high.
As a matter of fact I think thats why I decided to cut into it. I was faced with the same problems you describe and thought the best way to do this was cutting a notch vs. flipping the plate. What I did was mark the plate area to cut, based on the shape of the area where the arm travels, such that you don’t cut too much. I removed the plate and used a Dremel tool with a milling bit to remove the material. If you wish you can probably use a tiny drill to make holes along your marks and then bend off the piece if you want to save time. You do need to make the cut smooth though if you go that route. Then I removed material from the plate at the cut in an angle to provide more clearance for the arm. In other words, if you imagine the plate installed, the material I removed would be in the area of the notch on the bottom of side of the plate. That should give the arm a couple of mm’s clearance to place the adapter higher. Smooth out the cut so it looks stock in case you need to remove the adapter and take the car in for service. Then apply non-evaporating oil/grease to the area you cut (Not WD-40, it eventually evaporates) to avoid rust. You’re done.
Undepelo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-11-2005, 11:02 AM   #7
Undepelo
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 34960
Join Date: Apr 2003
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: MD
Vehicle:
What would baby
Jesus say of OT?

Default

ONE MORE THING!!!!!!
BE CAREFULL with the plate, the edges are sharp! Use gloves while handling it or file off the sharp edges.
Undepelo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-11-2005, 11:07 AM   #8
Ottawagon
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 87068
Join Date: May 2005
Chapter/Region: E. Canada
Location: Ontario, Canada
Vehicle:
04 WRX Wagon
WRB

Default plate

Quote:
Originally Posted by Undepelo
ONE MORE THING!!!!!!
BE CAREFULL with the plate, the edges are sharp! Use gloves while handling it or file off the sharp edges.
Oh man - you're just talking about the plate. Yeah - I actually flipped it, but then still found that when going into reverse, the round part of the lever (where the throw arm used to bolt into) would clunk a bit, so I still trimmed the plate.

I thought you meant you trimmed the part of the frame, UNDER the gasket, which I didn't want to do. I find I am hitting that if I go too high. I wonder if there is any difference on a 04 wagon where the hole is smaller or something, as other people seem to have not had this problem.
Ottawagon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-11-2005, 11:12 AM   #9
Undepelo
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 34960
Join Date: Apr 2003
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: MD
Vehicle:
What would baby
Jesus say of OT?

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ottawagon
Oh man - you're just talking about the plate. Yeah - I actually flipped it, but then still found that when going into reverse, the round part of the lever (where the throw arm used to bolt into) would clunk a bit, so I still trimmed the plate.

I thought you meant you trimmed the part of the frame, UNDER the gasket, which I didn't want to do. I find I am hitting that if I go too high. I wonder if there is any difference on a 04 wagon where the hole is smaller or something, as other people seem to have not had this problem.
Holy Hell!! Not the frame!! . All the trimming is done to the plate. Don't flip it just cut it. Once you cut, throw all the gears and see if you have interfearance on other points. All I'm telling you here is based on memories about 3 years ago so I'm not sure if I had those issues. . Just don't lift the adapter that high. I think I ran mine 43mm-48mm and I could run all gears without lifting my elbow from the armrest only using my wrist!
Undepelo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-11-2005, 11:17 AM   #10
Ottawagon
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 87068
Join Date: May 2005
Chapter/Region: E. Canada
Location: Ontario, Canada
Vehicle:
04 WRX Wagon
WRB

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Undepelo
Holy Hell!! Not the frame!! . All the trimming is done to the plate. Don't flip it just cut it. Once you cut, throw all the gears and see if you have interfearance on other points. All I'm telling you here is based on memories about 3 years ago so I'm not sure if I had those issues. . Just don't lift the adapter that high. I think I ran mine 43mm-48mm and I could run all gears without lifting my elbow from the armrest only using my wrist!
Even with the plate right off, I am getting major rubbing on the frame part - I just can't lift it very high at all! Definitely nowhere near 48mm - I am only a few cm. up from the bottom. I'll play with it a bit more, but from what I've done so far, I just don't see it working out for some reason. Was yours a sedan?
Ottawagon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-11-2005, 11:23 AM   #11
Undepelo
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 34960
Join Date: Apr 2003
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: MD
Vehicle:
What would baby
Jesus say of OT?

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ottawagon
Even with the plate right off, I am getting major rubbing on the frame part - I just can't lift it very high at all! Definitely nowhere near 48mm - I am only a few cm. up from the bottom. I'll play with it a bit more, but from what I've done so far, I just don't see it working out for some reason. Was yours a sedan?
Yes it was a sedan, but I doubt yours is that much different. I think you should post some pictures....
Undepelo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2005, 10:53 AM   #12
Ottawagon
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 87068
Join Date: May 2005
Chapter/Region: E. Canada
Location: Ontario, Canada
Vehicle:
04 WRX Wagon
WRB

Default

Got this mail from Perrin in response to my question:
Quote:
The metal trim ring can be flipped to get a little more, but to get it way shorter you will need to bend the steel ring. This is described in the instructions by using an adjustable wrench, to pry the thin sheet metal ring up. This will allow you to make it very very short. Hope that helps.
Wow - so I guess they actually do recommend bending the metal under the gasket a little bit. Not sure if I really want to be doing that...
Ottawagon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2005, 11:37 AM   #13
wagin
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 90084
Join Date: Jun 2005
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: CT
Vehicle:
02 W206
06 Forexter

Default

Ya definitely post some pics if you can I have a pss for my 02 wagon but havent done the installation yet. Id like to figure out the kinks before I start if possible
wagin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2005, 11:37 AM   #14
neuspeed
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 45973
Join Date: Oct 2003
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Vehicle:
1999 Lexus GS300

Default

Does your car have the short shifter from the factory or no?
neuspeed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2005, 11:39 AM   #15
Ottawagon
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 87068
Join Date: May 2005
Chapter/Region: E. Canada
Location: Ontario, Canada
Vehicle:
04 WRX Wagon
WRB

Default No factory short shift

Quote:
Originally Posted by neuspeed
Does your car have the short shifter from the factory or no?
No - didn't have that. I will try to get some pics this weekend to put up. I wonder if when they do that factory short shift install, they bend or widen the steel ring under the gasket a bit. If so, then I have no problem doing it to mine. I'll call a subaru shop and ask.
Ottawagon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2005, 11:28 AM   #16
Ottawagon
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 87068
Join Date: May 2005
Chapter/Region: E. Canada
Location: Ontario, Canada
Vehicle:
04 WRX Wagon
WRB

Default Bent it!

Well, as suggested by Perrin, I got in there last night and bent up the metal under the gasket, making more room for the throw arm. (Sorry, did not have the camera out there with me...)

Anyway, it seems to have worked! I could get the perrin piece much higher on the shift lever, which shortens the throws even more.
Ottawagon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2005, 01:43 PM   #17
nate.the.great
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 72031
Join Date: Oct 2004
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: poor grammar fuels my anger
Default

I ran into the same issue with my Cobb SS. Although, I just stopped making the bottom longer when it started rubbing up against the metal under the gasket.
nate.the.great is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
FS: perrin adjustable short shifter kit Dfence410 Private 'For Sale' Classifieds 6 06-12-2006 05:53 PM
FS: Perrin adjustable short shifter kit Dfence410 NESIC Private Classifieds 2 05-28-2006 01:06 PM
Perrin adjustable Short Shifter jeeps1998 Transmission (AT/MT) & Driveline 9 05-28-2006 12:03 AM
Perrin Adjustable Short Shifter WRX 02-05 Celly Private 'For Sale' Classifieds 3 12-07-2004 02:01 PM
Perrin adjust short shifter method2madness Transmission (AT/MT) & Driveline 7 12-29-2003 02:33 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:22 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.