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Old 08-12-2005, 06:25 AM   #1
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Default alignment...so many different search results

Can someone tell me what to get my car aligned to that will suit my driving with my stock suspension.

I'm getting another alignment today after, over 20k miles of wandering around the highway and 3 alignments. I want to ask for specific specs this time that people here have proven will work. This last alignment resulted in three of 4 tires showing steel belts through the outer edge. I had to put my snow tires back on just to safely drive to the alignment shop.

I only commute this car, mostly highway. I'm sick of getting a forearm cramp wandering all around, and I dont want to chew tires.

I think that I want -1.5 camber front and -1 camber rear. I know that the rear toe should be 0, but I'm not sure about the front. I've searched and found people saying in and out.

Can someone clarify what I want, in inches, for the best tire wear and highway cruising?

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Old 08-12-2005, 07:53 AM   #2
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Toe in will give stability, Toe out will give more steering response & zero toe will be the best for tire wear. What was your old alignment?
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Old 08-12-2005, 08:54 AM   #3
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I would go with -1 to -1.5 camber from and 1 rear with 0 toe rear and maybe just a HINT of toe in front. That will make your car stable on the highway and will not chew through tires.
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Old 08-12-2005, 02:39 PM   #4
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I'm not sure what the old alignments were. I had it up on a lift the other day, looking for loose components, and I threw a measuring tape up there just for $hits and giggles. It was just over 1/4" toe out, but the suspension was hanging.

I'm going to ask them to put it like you said with just a hair toe in.

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Old 08-12-2005, 02:59 PM   #5
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You can't measure alignment accurately with the suspension unloaded.
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Old 08-15-2005, 06:05 AM   #6
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so I take it in and give them my specs. He sets it all up and says there's nothing wrong with it, according to his specs inputted into the machine that he got from Subaru. Apparently, the machine only tells him how far off the alignment from the specs inputted, which is a range. I told him I wanted it dead on the specs I gave, and he said I need the special bolts on all four tires.

I tried to tell him that I thought it was supposed to be able to be done without them, and other than loosening the bolts from the strut to the spindle, we werent sure what other adjustment there would be.

Are the bushings that hold that big torque arm type brace that bolts to the front of the rear differential supposed to move up and down real easy? It seems tight side to side, but you can flex it up and down easy. All this would do is let the rear end rock up and down easier, and shouldnt affect alignment, but he didnt like it.

This is irritation. The car handles like crap, wanders around the highway and eats tires, but there is nothing wrong with it. ***.

I guess I have to get these bolts.

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Old 08-15-2005, 06:29 AM   #7
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he said I need the special bolts on all four tires
your front struts already have OEM adjustable bolts to set camber. if these and the other bolts are both loosened, and the tech pushes on the top of the rotor they should be able to max out your front camber - getting you anywhere from -1.2 to -1.4 degrees based on other people's results.

you need to buy rear camber bolts to allow adjustment there - anywhere from $20 to $60 depending upon which bolts and where you buy them. TireRack has Eibach and Ingalls bolts - either would work fine for what you want.

your requested settings are fine: -1.5 front or as close to it as possible, -1 rear, 0 toe all around - or as already suggested a tiny amount of postive toe in the front - make sure the tech sets cross-camber left and right to within .1 degree. they should also make sure that your steering wheel is dead center after the alignment

your current tech does not inspire me with confidence. try and see if you can find a TireRack recommended installer who does alignment in your area, or check with the racers in your local forum and see who they use for alignment

http://www.tirerack.com/installer/index.jsp
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Old 08-15-2005, 11:39 AM   #8
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He wasnt giving me a warm fuzzy, either. I just ordered the bolts from tire rack. They're not charging me because I paid a few months back before my tires got chewed, and this is rework. I'll bring it back, and if they cant get the 1.5/1 with zero toe, then I'll have to try elsewhere.

Can anyone comment on how loose those bushings should be on the rear diff cross member?

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Old 08-15-2005, 11:52 AM   #9
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They are poorly designed. They have voids in the bushings that allow the rear end to wander around.

This is what you need to get rid of the slop and looseness back there.
http://turninconcepts.com/product_in...products_id=17
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