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Old 08-14-2005, 04:21 PM   #1
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Default Need tire recommendations for 18x7.5

Just bought a SAAB 92x Aero and some 18x7.5, and was wondering if I could get some recommendations on tires based on the following:

1. Work in Downtown LA, and do about 60% city driving.
2. I don't need to consider snow, and rarely go up to the mountains. (Probably looking for a summer tire, with occasional rain here in SoCal).
3. I love takings turns, and want a set of tires that rides like it's on rails.
4. Want tires that are somewhat affordable and practical, that will hopefully last over 20k miles.

Probably looking for 225/40/18.

Any suggestions? Looking at Toyo (T1-R, T1-S), Falken (Azenis, FK-451, RT-615), and Kuhmo ECSTA (711, 712, MX).

ECSTA's seem pretty cheap, but are these any good? I'm looking for good bang for the buck. Any of these tires that you would highly recommend or avoid?

Help is appreciated!!

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Old 08-14-2005, 08:57 PM   #2
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Just purchased some BFG G-Force Sports in 225/40/18's and I absolutely love them. I spent about a month comparing the various tires, sizes, weights, price, etc., and these were a close tie with the AVON's, but the AVON's were heavier. The shoulder on these tires is so square, the fit is just perfect for my 18X8.5's.

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Old 08-14-2005, 11:45 PM   #3
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Bridgestone S-03s, Toyo T1-Rs or T1-Ss, and Falken 451s are favored on here. Those will all meet your preferences It'll ultimately come down to price.
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Old 08-15-2005, 04:02 AM   #4
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Bridgestone S-03s, Toyo T1-Rs or T1-Ss, and Falken 451s are favored on here. Those will all meet your preferences It'll ultimately come down to price.
ditto on all of that ^^^^

btw, I used to live in SoCal area and frequented Downtown LA (lived there before in the Bunker Hill Towers but not when I had my WRX) I had the following set-ups on my WRX:

***225-45-17 Bridgestone SO-3 on anthracite 17x7 Prodrive P1....SO-3's handled pretty well in wet & dry but the wheels & tires are among the heaviest in their respective classes, so I didn't really like that

***225-40-18 Yokohama AVS Sport on Mercury silver 18x7.5 VOLK Racing TE-37....Only had this set-up for a week (IMO, silver didn't go well w/my WRB WRX). AVS's were okay in dry conditions, but didn't try them in the wet. They were REALLY noisy though.

***225-35-18 Toyo T1-S on gunmetal/polished lip 18x7.5 VOLK Racing LE-37T....this is my current set-up. the T1's are very good in both the wet (IMO, better than SO-3) and dry, and the treadwear is very good (also better than SO-3). They are also a few pounds per tire lighter than the SO-3, but their sidewalls are kinda soft, which some people complain about. Running a couple extra psi's seems to remedy that condition.

I don't know anyone w/the new T1-R's, but I've considering those for my next set of tires if I keep my WRX that long.


If you're looking for good bang for the buck, some guys seem to like the Kumho MX, Nitto 555, & Yokohama ES100. I don't know anyone that's had any of those, so I can't offer any comments on them though.
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Old 08-15-2005, 11:38 AM   #5
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ditto on all of that ^^^^

btw, I used to live in SoCal area and frequented Downtown LA (lived there before in the Bunker Hill Towers but not when I had my WRX) I had the following set-ups on my WRX:

***225-45-17 Bridgestone SO-3 on anthracite 17x7 Prodrive P1....SO-3's handled pretty well in wet & dry but the wheels & tires are among the heaviest in their respective classes, so I didn't really like that

***225-40-18 Yokohama AVS Sport on Mercury silver 18x7.5 VOLK Racing TE-37....Only had this set-up for a week (IMO, silver didn't go well w/my WRB WRX). AVS's were okay in dry conditions, but didn't try them in the wet. They were REALLY noisy though.

***225-35-18 Toyo T1-S on gunmetal/polished lip 18x7.5 VOLK Racing LE-37T....this is my current set-up. the T1's are very good in both the wet (IMO, better than SO-3) and dry, and the treadwear is very good (also better than SO-3). They are also a few pounds per tire lighter than the SO-3, but their sidewalls are kinda soft, which some people complain about. Running a couple extra psi's seems to remedy that condition.

I don't know anyone w/the new T1-R's, but I've considering those for my next set of tires if I keep my WRX that long.


If you're looking for good bang for the buck, some guys seem to like the Kumho MX, Nitto 555, & Yokohama ES100. I don't know anyone that's had any of those, so I can't offer any comments on them though.

Thanks for the recommendations. So I'm assuming you were really happy with the Toyo T1-S. What are the differences between the T1-S and T1-R?

Also, do you have any recommendations on a good place to purchase these tires? I believe Tire Racks does not sell Toyos.
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Old 08-15-2005, 12:06 PM   #6
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can I get someone's thoughts on the Kuhmo ECSTA 712s? How are the Kuhmo's in general (pros/cons)?
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Old 08-15-2005, 01:04 PM   #7
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can I get someone's thoughts on the Kuhmo ECSTA 712s? How are the Kuhmo's in general (pros/cons)?
the Kuhmo MX's are a great tire: superb dry handling, ok in the wet

the other Kuhmo summer tires are underperformers by comparison, but the newer SPT seems to be a better choice than the older 712

the ASX seems to be a decent all-season

TireRack has done lots of objective testng with the Kuhmos:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...Kumho&x=6&y=14
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Old 08-15-2005, 04:25 PM   #8
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Great link! Appreciate the words of wisdom.

712's are only $85/tire. Whereas MX's are $168/tire. Is it really worth the extra bucks (we're looking at twice the price). SPT's are $101/tire. Seems a little more reasonable. Again, do you consider the difference worth it?

I dont go on tracks, or autox at all. But moreso just have fun every once in a while with the cornering (adding struts/springs and sway bar soon).

What is the average life out of these tires?
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Old 08-15-2005, 10:13 PM   #9
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3. I love takings turns, and want a set of tires that rides like it's on rails..
T1-R, T1-S, FK-451: excellent dry, rail-like in the wet - T1R and FK451 have stiffer sidewalls
RT-615, MX: rail-like dry, ok in the wet
Hankook Ventus R-S2 Z212: ditto

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4. Want tires that are somewhat affordable and practical, that will hopefully last over 20k miles.
FK451: 10k on mine, looks like 20k easy, YMMV
RT615: nhluhr seems to be getting unreal mileage on his set of 255/40x17's
MX: Uncle Scotty was getting good mileage until a road hazard did them in
T1S: many have reported over 20k, some over 30k
T1R: too new to tell, but likely similar to the T1S
R-S2 Z212: too new to tell

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I'm looking for good bang for the buck.
Falken FK451 @ 115 each shipped from Discount Tire Direct
R-S2 Z212 @ 139 each shipped - same place
and yes, the MX are worth it if you're serious about #3
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Old 08-18-2005, 12:12 AM   #10
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One thing to note is that the Falken FK-451's are really noisy. I have them (235/40/18) mounted on my Volk's and they are extremely noisy on the freeway. However, thier performance and grip makes them worth while....
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Old 08-18-2005, 07:20 PM   #11
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Great link! Appreciate the words of wisdom.

712's are only $85/tire. Whereas MX's are $168/tire. Is it really worth the extra bucks (we're looking at twice the price). SPT's are $101/tire. Seems a little more reasonable. Again, do you consider the difference worth it?

I dont go on tracks, or autox at all. But moreso just have fun every once in a while with the cornering (adding struts/springs and sway bar soon).

What is the average life out of these tires?
I currently have Kumho MX's 225/40/18 and I believe they're a great tire for daily driving. My needs were very similar to yours... I don't track my car but I wanted something that could provide nice handling yet be used every day in SoCal traffic.

I switched from Yoko AVS ES100's and I think the MX's handle and grip better. Again, this isn't from a pure performance perspective but rather a daily driven car that likes to takes turns a little more agressive than your average driver on the road.

Also, I'm pretty sure I picked up all four tires for a little over $500 ($125ish a tire). It might have been a sale or something but I got them from America Tire Co about 5-6 months ago.

I know it seems like a lot to be spending on tires but in comparison to a lot of other cars we have it pretty easy. I know for my brother's old car, s2k, he spent about as much for two rear tires as I did for a full set. He's actually shopping for tires for his g35 now... he told me about $500 for just the fronts, ouch.
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Old 08-18-2005, 08:44 PM   #12
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I currently have Kumho MX's 225/40/18 and I believe they're a great tire for daily driving. My needs were very similar to yours... I don't track my car but I wanted something that could provide nice handling yet be used every day in SoCal traffic.

I switched from Yoko AVS ES100's and I think the MX's handle and grip better. Again, this isn't from a pure performance perspective but rather a daily driven car that likes to takes turns a little more agressive than your average driver on the road.

Also, I'm pretty sure I picked up all four tires for a little over $500 ($125ish a tire). It might have been a sale or something but I got them from America Tire Co about 5-6 months ago.

I know it seems like a lot to be spending on tires but in comparison to a lot of other cars we have it pretty easy. I know for my brother's old car, s2k, he spent about as much for two rear tires as I did for a full set. He's actually shopping for tires for his g35 now... he told me about $500 for just the fronts, ouch.
Wow. $125/tire is not that bad. I'll check out American Tire Co to see what they're currently offering. It's hard to see Tires as an investment, as I just recently bought a SAAB 92x, and never cared about tires on my older car. But everyone seems to agree that tires are the most important upgrade for handling.

Anyone care to comment on the difference between Toyo RA-1 vs. Kumho MX?
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